Any Positives From Tonight's Game?
 

Thank god it's still pre-season. However except for the two big plays, one on KO return,and the one on the reverse I think the first unit still demonstrated they can confuse an offense. That 23 play 12+ min. 3rd qtr. form the reserve was a bit demoralizing. We still have some work to do in all three phases.

Discuss.....

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Randle El looked nice.

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Good can come from bad , know that.
With all these mental mistakes I guess a positive would be that competition will have to conitue on as backup roles are still in the air for a lot of areas. Prettty weak but what else can we say.
Minimal injuries. More experience for the young guys who saw alot of time tonite. And Ramsey only had like 33yds.

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ARE looked good. Sellars carried the ball a few times. One nice drive by Campbell. Sack by Arch. Rock wasn't bad.

THe D had me worried all night. First the big plays against the starters, then the endless billion play drive against the backups.

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I'm just hoping we can find some bright spots since we discussed mostly negatives in the game thread. I thouight we did do some good things just not enough of them when it counted.

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[quote=Mattyk72;205844]Randle El looked nice.[/quote]

That he did and he knows it. Glad to have him pumped at home, its a good look right there.

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Check out Gibbs press conference--already up on skins.com. Man, is he pissed off. Can't say I remember seeing him like that. SHortest press conference ever.

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We only had one starter hurt?

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its only preseason.......

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[quote=BMF21;205855]its only preseason.......[/quote]


This is the easy answer. I didn't hear Gibbs say that. The team looked like dogs8it and they have two weeks to fix it. If they don't play better than that, they will lose to Minnesota. If they lose to Minnesota, they are in big trouble.

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Antwan Randel El

Mike Sellers

End of list.

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believe it or not, its good the defense is getting beat because they will learn from there mistakes.

the offense had flashes, but lets put it this why, i'm glad its pre-season.

rumph played pretty soild.

espy dropped a lot of catchable balls.

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it was jus a bad nite, the only brite spots i saw were randle el, and archuleta's sack. our defense looked like shit, uncharacteristically giving up big plays, special teams looked bad too. even tho theres alot of problems with tonites game, im still not worried. its only preseason, and even tho Saunders is running the offense, gibbs is still gonna keep it vanilla for the preseason, and williams evaluates the defense by putting players in situations where he can evaluate there failure if any, so basically whoever doesnt suck the most wins the job. so i wouldnt worry. i mean yeah im still a skins fan and i was still yellin at the tv and shit, but its only preseason. remember whos coaching this team. In Gibbs We Trust.

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Next week is the big tuneup guys. I'll file tonight under the who cares category.

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i'd say it was good to see our secondary not getting beat downfield alot, but then that's just because they were busy tackling runningbacks our line and linebackers didn't..

ugh bad showing all around. all i can think of that was positive...was Campbell not looking like a rookie, Sellers being more of a pro, and most of all, minor injuries.

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i have to say, none of our new defensive acquisitions, Andre Carter, Rocky McIntosh or the new DBs, looked very special. this was the Jets!

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My brother-in-law made some really good steak sandwiches for our tailgate (no mayo). That was positive.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;205866]My brother-in-law made some really good steak sandwiches for our tailgate (no mayo). That was positive.[/QUOTE]

At least there is something. What I really didn't like, in both games, is this feeling of not caring, of having no real fire, that we can just turn it on when we need to. Great teams do not have this mentality, no matter who their players are. Come on. That was the 4-12 Jets and we made them look like the ball-control skins of old. In our own house. Yes, it's preseason, and yes, evaluations, vanilla, etc. But where's the pride? Whenever you put on the skins uniform, you should bust your ass on every play, because that's the sort of team we want to be. Didn't see that tonight or last week. I assume Gibbs will light a fire, as will WIlliams and the rest. But it's gotta come from the players. All of them, all they way down to Todd COllins.

Rant over. At least it didn't count. :vomit:

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i miss the red pants. maybe thats it.

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[quote=JWsleep;205872]At least there is something. What I really didn't like, in both games, is this feeling of not caring, of having no real fire, that we can just turn it on when we need to. Great teams do not have this mentality, no matter who their players are. Come on. That was the 4-12 Jets and we made them look like the ball-control skins of old. In our own house. Yes, it's preseason, and yes, evaluations, vanilla, etc. But where's the pride? Whenever you put on the skins uniform, you should bust your ass on every play, because that's the sort of team we want to be. Didn't see that tonight or last week. I assume Gibbs will light a fire, as will WIlliams and the rest. But it's gotta come from the players. All of them, all they way down to Todd COllins.

Rant over. At least it didn't count. :vomit:[/quote]

Here Here dude. I think its good these bums are out there, if it werent for their disposable bodies Id say cut them now but if they want to be out there and taking those hits so our 1st 2nd string arent fine. But the axe has to drop on many.I can tell by the lack of post from us that we all are disgusted by them right now. When they play like shit I feel so incomplete. This is not what I bust my ass for all year and week leading up to the game to see my Skins get out played and embarrassed like that. I live in Baltimore and Im sure I will have to punch out the first person who brings up that Jets game to me next. This is also why I cant go to preseason games.

Theres nothing to really say beyond this already. ITs gonna be a long week for everyone. Im so upset I dont even wanna talk or think Skins for a while. What a damn disappointment.

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We have yet to see our starters out there for a prolonged period of time where they can take control of a game, Gibbs is notorious for holding back the offense in the pre-season, I really am not worried at all with our starters, AA looks like he's perfect for what Williams want's out of him at saftey, he gets to the QB awfully fast and he has very good closing speed, the funny thing about that is Reed Dougherty looks and runs an awful lot like AA I think he has a good chance to stick.

On the negative side our backups may be the worst in the NFL at least when it comes to line play.

Collins is bad, the Jet's weren't really playing any defense and he still couldn't do much, I will disregard that TD to Ortega the Jets were laying back and the defender fell down anyone on this site could have made that throw. But I do like Ortega though, he's a little light right now but he has very good speed and quickness for a TE, if he can block at all I think he makes it.

Espy looks very good and will only continue to get better, nice free agent signing, Jacobs who?

Now to maybe the disheartning aspect of the team, specials, our specials are simply disgusting, I truly believe it's time to send danny packing, we are not talking rocket science here, the guy has alway's struck me as a below average coach at best.

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i went to the game. That was fun. The game itself sucked. :(

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Not many. Guys that thought they could make the team because they were good on special teams better forget about that. Danny will be looking to field the guys from last year.

Positives :[LIST][*]We still can field the special teams guys from last year.[*]Doughty looked much improved.[*]Mcintosh looks solid, but not yet ready.[*]Brunnell didnt throw an INT.[*]Our biggest advantage may be game planning... and that isnt part of the preseason.[/LIST]

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Maybe we should switch back to the red pants, we've lost our last three games where we've worn all white.

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The Schneed is officially a bit concerned. I'm not panicking because the 3rd preseason game is usually considered the big one, where Gibbs actually plays the starters and even game-plans a little bit. Last year we went 0-2 and then rolled in the 3rd preseason game. So I'll reserve complete judgment till then. It's almost as if Gibbs and Williams are purposely putting their guys in rough situations to humble them, preventing them from getting caught up in the hype. But that doesn't explain everything.

[B]Positives:[/B]
I'm a little more convinced that Kenny Wright can hold up decently for Springs. I need to see more though.

The receivers were getting open for the most part.

The line protected Brunell pretty decently.

[B]Negatives:[/B]
I don't care how vanilla the schemes are, there's no excuse for Frost's performance. He continues to be really inconsistent. Punter is officially a concern for us going into the season.

The special teams played like they couldn't care less. I'm sure that will be fixed this week though.

The QB-WR timing is still not in sync. This isn't really a big negative though, I don't expect it to be in sync yet. As long as the receivers are getting open, the timing will come around.

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Only positive thing I saw was their hair looked great.
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i saw a few positive things last night...very few.. campbell had his moments except for when he threw it to david patten. i swear that patten "alligator armed" a few. seems like he doesn't want to take a hit.

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i thought mike rumph and kenny wright both did a pretty decent job. and our second team offensive line also had a big improvement over last week when they got steam rolled. its pretty obvious that saunders and company are showing nothing, and pretty much restricting the offense. i think an onsides kick and a double reverse in a preseason game is a bit much. everyone around here needs to relax until the real deal starts

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[B]Positives plays (Defense):[/B]

-Wright's sack and a good diving trip-tackle on the next down.
-Washington's presence on most plays during the first two Jets possessions.
-Archuleta's sack: I thought he pretty quick getting to the QB.
-Carlos Rogers shows good recovery to the ball.
-Posey looks like a good pickup.
-Griffin walking off the field on his own.

[B]Positive plays (Offense):[/B]

-Randle El enthusiastic peformance; 2 really good catches!
-Campbell's bounceback drive after throwing a pick.
-Rock Cartwright showing a little toughness.
-Brunell making a decent play with his feet and not turning the ball over.
-Betts looks good when tries to be aggressive.


Clearly more works needs to be done but there's still time to work on our "problems". We've all seen some dreamy pre-season's turn into nightmarish regular seasons.

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[QUOTE=offiss;205883]
Espy looks very good and will only continue to get better, nice free agent signing, Jacobs who?
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Espy dropped like 4 passes that hit him right in the hands. He did nothing but play himself right off the roster.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;205893]its pretty obvious that saunders and company are showing nothing, and pretty much restricting the offense. i think an onsides kick and a double reverse in a preseason game is a bit much. everyone around here needs to relax until the real deal starts[/QUOTE]

In his postgame interview, Mark Brunell refuted the notion that "vanilla offense" is what's handicapping them. If the coaches are calling simple plays, then it should not require anything other than simple execution. So far, the starting offense has not demonstrated that. Other than 3 good passing plays (one to Lloyd last week, and two tonight to Randle El), the starters are having trouble going more than 3 play before having to punt.

One other thing -- pointing this out doesn't indicate "panic" or that we all need to "relax." It's an observation, that's all. The only one who showed anything close to panic tonight, was Joe Gibbs. What does that tell you?

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lets look at it this way. straight up formations with little or no motion or movement. alot easier to play defense against. and the point about gibbs doesnt carry alot of weight because ever since coach gibbs has been here, does anyone ever remember a time when he has stated publicly that he was satisfied with his team?

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We are experiencing the affects of change. We added quite a few new players, a new [or different] coordinator on offense and a 700 page playbook. When you have a group of players who have not had a lot of reps together to prepare for game like situations it takes time for all the pieces to come together. We also had a short camp with limited contact and players playing in games who were not here from the beginning. We are coming to see the pre-season hype has to be transformed into solid play on the field. I'm going to take all things considered and beleive that as we continue to become familiar with each other things will look better. Right now just about everyone is disappointed with the team for one reason or another but soon I think we'll begin to build on the momentum we established at the end of last season. We have good leadership on this team and I'm convinced that will be our salvation.
Pardon my rant, but I feel these factors are important to consider.

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[QUOTE=illdefined] i miss the red pants. maybe thats it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=mooby;205887]Maybe we should switch back to the red pants, we've lost our last three games where we've worn all white.[/QUOTE]

you seconding the motion?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;205905]lets look at it this way. straight up formations with little or no motion or movement. alot easier to play defense against. and the point about gibbs doesnt carry alot of weight because ever since coach gibbs has been here, does anyone ever remember a time when he has stated publicly that he was satisfied with his team?[/QUOTE]


We can look at any way we want. My point is, the players and the coaches don't look at it like, "it's just preseason, don't worry about it," or, "chalk it up to a 'vanilla' offense." That's called fan-speak. Trust me, anyone who puts on a uniform with their name stitched on it can't be anything but ashamed by their performance over the past two games, preseason or not.

And there's a difference between Joe Gibbs' propensity for cautious skepticism and being straight out pissed off at the way his team looked.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;205911]We are experiencing the affects of change. We added quite a few new players, a new [or different] coordinator on offense and a 700 page playbook. When you have a group of players who have not had a lot of reps together to prepare for game like situations it takes time for all the pieces to come together. We also had a short camp with limited contact and players playing in games who were not here from the beginning. We are coming to see the pre-season hype has to be transformed into solid play on the field. I'm going to take all things considered and beleive that as we continue to become familiar with each other things will look better. Right now just about everyone is disappointed with the team for one reason or another but soon I think we'll begin to build on the momentum we established at the end of last season. We have good leadership on this team and I'm convinced that will be our salvation.
Pardon my rant, but I feel these factors are important to consider.[/QUOTE]

That's fine, but like everyone has been saying -- we're running a VANILLA offense! You can't dismiss the offense's performance to a complex playbook when all we keep hearing is that the plays are too simple or "vanilla."

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from the looks of the starters that were sitting on the bench in the latter part of the game, they didnt seem to concerned about a whole lot. they understand that players make up a sucessful situation, and some of the players that participated last night will not be around come opening day.all im saying is the final product is far from what we saw last night

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Havent seen the game yet because I have no local market here, but I'll catch the NFL Network rerun @ 2 today.

Really, really not worried about the preseason at all.

Is Griffin OK? Has anyone heard?

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If anyone is actually upset about this game...
It IS preseason. Super Bowl year we went 0-4 and Gibbs was furious the entire training camp. Mark my words, this is all going according to PLAN. Minnesota better look out.

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[quote=dblanch66;205940]If anyone is actually upset about this game...
It IS preseason. Super Bowl year we went 0-4 and Gibbs was furious the entire training camp. Mark my words, this is all going according to PLAN. Minnesota better look out.[/quote]
the colts went 0-5 in the preseason last year, then won their next 13 games