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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AskDpkRvQtSgXUmlDJYI3jQcvrYF?slug=ys-bushprobe&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]Cash and carry - Reggie Bush Investigation - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Maybe he can buy OJ's on eBay.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;215434][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AskDpkRvQtSgXUmlDJYI3jQcvrYF?slug=ys-bushprobe&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]Cash and carry - Reggie Bush Investigation - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Maybe he can buy OJ's on eBay.[/QUOTE]

just great... let the SC haterade flow...

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Who cares, he's a rich mofo now...and if he is as good in the Pro as everyone thinks this will all be forgotten in a few years. I suppose the only people who should care are those involved in SC athletics department.

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I wouldn't be suprised if it was happening to every college superstar out there right now. Sheesh. It's not like getting a little money is gonna make them play better, look at all the busts in the pro's that are still getting paid.

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yeah seriously it happens at plenty of universities across the country, probably to most top players to be honest

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USC cares, but bush shouldn't, he's already a multi-millionaire now with more goodwill in his new hometown and more endorsements than he knows what to do with.

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Shocker.

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why is this a shocker? just like thatguy said, this probably goes on at all the major colleges. and who cares anyway? why is usc allowed to profit off of bush while he doesnt make a dime? he gained no unfair advantage by accepting money, so more power to him

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Im pretty sure that was sarcasm, dmek.

They need to make it so NCAA atheletes can get paid, Either have the universities who make tons of cash off them give them a little bit, or let them accept marketing deals. Most kids that age can go out and get a job to afford things they want -- but not these football players. My step-sister was playing D1 soccer till she got rear ended in an automobile and her career was ended. Luckily her schoolarship opened up a bit more room for my dad to give her spending money, but for kids with parents that can't necessarily pay extra, it can be tough!

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Did you guys read the story about the Clemson player raising his little brother? He can't accept donations for the kid's education (even from people not associated with the school in any way) or little favors like rides to school from the coaches' wives because the NCAA says that's a violation.

I agree with you Daseal, they should be able to get at least some money for living expenses and that sort of thing.

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Yes that was sarcasm.

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[quote=Daseal;215536]Im pretty sure that was sarcasm, dmek.

They need to make it so NCAA atheletes can get paid, Either have the universities who make tons of cash off them give them a little bit, or let them accept marketing deals. Most kids that age can go out and get a job to afford things they want -- but not these football players. My step-sister was playing D1 soccer till she got rear ended in an automobile and her career was ended. Luckily her schoolarship opened up a bit more room for my dad to give her spending money, but for kids with parents that can't necessarily pay extra, it can be tough![/quote] They do get paid alot about 50,000 per year is about what it cost to send a child to an out of state college. In state runs around 18,000 in Va.. Look at the kids who work hard in school and receive nothing in the form of a scholarship for their hard work.

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It'll hurt USC a LOT more than Reggie now. I doubt he'll care, especially after the selfishness he showed us by threatening to only give money to charity if he had the NFL jersey number rule changed JUST for him.

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yep, the sanctions that will be held against USC will hurt them a lot more than Reggie Bush losing his trophy...

i read about the Clemson kid raising his little brother. i believe they are trying to grant him a temporary deal that he'll be able to get the help he needs for his little brother.

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[quote=firstdown;215569]They do get paid alot about 50,000 per year is about what it cost to send a child to an out of state college. In state runs around 18,000 in Va.. Look at the kids who work hard in school and receive nothing in the form of a scholarship for their hard work.[/quote]

That's ludicrous - how much money do these other kids bring to the school? Football teams in the Big East get almost $40 [B]million[/B] a year in revenue from the TV deal for airing their games. With even 75 players on a squad, that's about $4 million in scholarships at $50k/year. That's a [B]lot[/B] of money that these kids are bringing to the school in exchange for the pittance they receive (and we haven't even touched on ticket sales or merchandising).

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;215580]That's ludicrous - how much money do these other kids bring to the school? Football teams in the Big East get almost $40 [B]million[/B] a year in revenue from the TV deal for airing their games. With even 75 players on a squad, that's about $4 million in scholarships at $50k/year. That's a [B]lot[/B] of money that these kids are bringing to the school in exchange for the pittance they receive (and we haven't even touched on ticket sales or merchandising).[/QUOTE]

plus when u take into account all of the practices and film sessions the players have to go to, they don't have the time or energy to also work a full time job and do well enough in school to maintain their scholarship. I think they should get some type of money, it's just a matter of coming up with an amount for the players to have money to buy what they [I]need[/I] and not so much what they [I]want.[/I]

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No amount of "gifts" recieved can enhance a players performance on the field (unless it's steroids). As far as this fan is concerned, the Heisman stays where it belongs....in the hands of the performer... Reggie Bush! We the fans don't decide who gets the almighty award, so it doesn't really matter if he has been honored. If there was to be any discussion about the "infraction", then it should have been brought forth at the time of the vote and not a year later! This so-called "agent" was bitter about Reggie leaving to enter the NFL and he was dumped! He lost out on millions of dollars! But we don't question his friggin integrity?! Money has no name this sounds like retaliation!

Its not about even being a fan of USC or any other school Im a little upset that there giving this man all kinds of shit one year after the fact....Most of these athletes came from nothing anyway...so why not cut his family a piece of the pie....Tell me He didnt bring in huge ass revenue for that school anyway!? Anyway stop the Reggie bashing

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Well sound off people...aren't u a little upset that only reggie bush is getting his ass burned for this..most great D1 Athletes have accepted some type of "Gift"...MOST OF THEM COME FROM NOTHING!!!!!!! So whats wrong with them having a little something like most kids?

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pg86 -- I think most of us don't care, but when the rules are the rules it sets a poor precident for the NCAA to look over it because it's the golden boy Bush. Don't get on USC hating, that team gets more props than it deserves.

That said, Reggie Bush has had character issues brought up even before the draft. NFL radio today had heard that the Texans didn't like what they heard from Reggie in interviews and how he carried himself which is why they went with Mario.

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[quote=Daseal;215830]pg86 -- I think most of us don't care, but when the rules are the rules it sets a poor precident for the NCAA to look over it because it's the golden boy Bush. Don't get on USC hating, that team gets more props than it deserves.

That said, Reggie Bush has had character issues brought up even before the draft. NFL radio today had heard that the Texans didn't like what they heard from Reggie in interviews and how he carried himself which is why they went with Mario.[/quote]
Yeah but if thats the case..How come noone is bitting Leinarts nuts..He won the Heisman too and WE ALL KNOW HE ACCEPTED SOME STUFF..

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[QUOTE=pg86;215832]Yeah but if thats the case..How come noone is bitting Leinarts nuts..He won the Heisman too and WE ALL KNOW HE ACCEPTED SOME STUFF..[/QUOTE]

Not saying he didn't at some point, but definitely not at the level Reggie is accused of. Matt's family is fairly well off, so it's not like he really needed any of it. While I've seen second and third stringers drive around in Navigators and tricked out Jeeps on campus, Leinart was driving around an old Ford pickup. He had an entourage around him at all times to protect him from student fans while going to class (trust me, it was pretty crazy for him and Reggie last season)... more specifically, to keep agents away from him at all times. Out of all the superstars, I think Matt was an anomaly at SC.

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Funny I wonder if they are as concerned about these kids in college gaining an advantage through performance enhancing drugs?

These kids are told they are not allowed to enter the NFL at an early age, that they have to spend 2 years in college, oh and by the way your not allowed to make money off your talent, that is reserved for us the NCAA!

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The NCAA rules and the whole "armature status" is a joke.
The NCAA collects all the money, assume all the players come from families with money and set unrealistic rules for the players in regards to income while in college.
However until the rules are changed they are what they are. I am tired of people saying it is fine to break the rules because they do not agree with the rules.

In Bush's case this was not a shopping spree and a car; or giving a financially struggling player a helping hand. This was major amounts of money, 100's of thounds of dollars being given to him in defiance of the major rule NCAA "amateurism". His parents didn't NEED to live in a million dollar home. They didn't need a limo, new suits and make-overs. Reggie Bush and the NFL's character really need to be called in on this one. What else will Reggie Bush do for money, throw a game?

What kills me is the double standard:
When a great player (Warren Sapp or Randy Moss for example) gets caught smoking a joint in college (misdemeanor), they get labeled by the NFL teams as trouble and their draft grade and reputation as a decent human is downgraded.
However a player (Bush for example) breaks major rules that could affect his team’s future eligibility and people want to sweep it under the rug as another white collar crime. What Reggie did has consequences that wil hurt other people, all the players and coaches on the USC team might have to pay the price for Reggie's greed. This is not a victimless transgression.

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A couple of thoughts.

1) If this is treated as a victimless crime, then (maybe) people will forget about it, thus allowing the NCAA to do nothing about it except some investigation which will finish long after anybody cares. In this manner they can avoid harming USC.

2) If the NCAA gave a damn about the athletes, they would have some pool of supplementary money given to athletes that really need it. Donors would not be allowed to earmark the money for their desired school. In this manner it would be easy for that Clemson player to get money, and at the same time no school would have an unfair advantage.

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I don't know why were talking about Reggie Bush here .... maybe Blundering George...but since we are on the subject: The Guy is already guilty after a couple allegations by a bitter sports agent? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? He don't seem too worried about it...What we should be talking about is Gibbs high school approach to benching Portis for missing practice! What a joke, this is big business and we pay to watch Portis ( he isn't hurt and wants to play!) we don't pay to watch Gibbs! ... I hate to say it but the ancient one needs to GO!

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[quote=reddaddy1;215987]I don't know why were talking about Reggie Bush here .... maybe Blundering George...but since we are on the subject: The Guy is already guilty after a couple allegations by a bitter sports agent? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? He don't seem too worried about it...What we should be talking about is Gibbs high school approach to benching Portis for missing practice! What a joke, this is big business and we pay to watch Portis ( he isn't hurt and wants to play!) we don't pay to watch Gibbs! ... I hate to say it but the ancient one needs to GO![/quote]
yea then we can have another 12 years of sucking

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good points, but unless the NCAA starts paying the players and paying people to do background checks/keep tabs on them, the corruption will continue. this isn't just a USC problem, this isn't just a reggie bush problem, and whatever the consequences, they're going to be largely ignored by many, because only 1/1000 transgressions gets caught (much like speeding tickets).

Reggie was dumb for taking such large sums while in such a spotlight, but even though he should have known better, i bet it's harder to say no when all that free money is sitting right in front of you.

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[quote=steveo395;215988]yea then we can have another 12 years of sucking[/quote]
YEah I agree...Cause u know we won so many games under steve spurrier...and Norv Turner...(Actually we probably shouldent of canned the man so early marty either)

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2741773]ESPN.com - NCF - Report: Tapes could confirm Bush received gifts[/url]

Ok now there is supposedly new eveidence of Bush's guilt in taking gifts. If he is found guilty, other than taking away his Heisman Trophy, what else can be done to him?

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;272320][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2741773]ESPN.com - NCF - Report: Tapes could confirm Bush received gifts[/url]

Ok now there is supposedly new eveidence of Bush's guilt in taking gifts. If he is found guilty, other than taking away his Heisman Trophy, what else can be done to him?[/QUOTE]

Nothing. He didn't do anything illegal. Just against the NCAA rules. I guess USC could have some problems though. Retroactive forfeits and such. Loss of bowl monies maybe.

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Can't they penalize USC by taking away scholarships and the National Championship if this is indeed pans out?

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Actually I guess now that I think about it there could be some tax repercussions. Free gifts and all being untaxed = tax evasion. I guess that is one thing that could happen.

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maybe he accepted a donation, who cares, if this happens in any other sport in any other league then nobody cares. his parents needed money... that doesn't mean he's a worse humam being or he is a worse professional athlete

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;215798]plus when u take into account all of the practices and film sessions the players have to go to, they don't have the time or energy to also work a full time job and do well enough in school to maintain their scholarship. I think they should get some type of money, it's just a matter of coming up with an amount for the players to have money to buy what they [I]need[/I] and not so much what they [I]want.[/I][/quote]

Just to play devil's advocate for you and onlydarksets, isn't it a LITTLE crappy that these guys can get paid years worth of college because of playing a sport? Sure, they bring in millions of dollars to the school, but they are just playing the hand they were dealt. I don't fault them for choosing schools that want them to play football, and I don't fault them for enjoying that full ride they get all through college. I DO fault them and other people for saying that universities should share the money they make off them with others.

Medical students all over the country aren't getting money from the advances they're making in that field, so why should athletes?

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[quote=Duffman003;272334]maybe he accepted a donation, who cares, if this happens in any other sport in any other league then nobody cares. his parents needed money... that doesn't mean he's a worse humam being or he is a worse professional athlete[/quote]

Right. On the flip side of that, as a kid not even out of college, it would most definitely be hard to say "no" to that kind of cash staring you in the face.

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[quote=Duffman003;272334]maybe he accepted a donation, who cares, if this happens in any other sport in any other league then nobody cares. his parents needed money... that doesn't mean he's a worse humam being or he is a worse professional athlete[/quote]

If the allegations are true, it means he broke the rules. He broke the NCAA law. Agree, or not agree, if you don't say no, where do you draw the line. Who gets to determine who's family needs money? It's ok to violate the rules if your a good guy, but not an asshole? Who determines who's, who? Growing problem in this country, lack of enforcement of the established rules and laws. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Best wisdom I ever got from an attorney. The only people that pay in this world are those that cannot afford to

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[quote=Daseal;272330]Can't they penalize USC by taking away scholarships and the National Championship if this is indeed pans out?[/quote]
Yes the school can have those taken away but I think the NCAA would have a hard time pentalizing the other players by taking away their NC. I also heard today that the rules state that at the time of voting for Heisman the player must be in good standing. So at the time Bush was in good standing so taking away his Heisman may be tough to do. Someone else mentioned work but from what I heard today that a player is not allowed to work drun the football season. Which would make sense because trying to go to school, playing football and working would be way too much for a player to do. We have to remember that these kids get prayed upon by adults trying to make a buck off them. Alot of them come from families that cannot afford to send much money. So at age 19 these kids get money offers to help them and their families and it could be real tough to turn down the money to help your family out. Now maybe the parent or parents sould be the one to say no don't take that money we will do what needs to be done to get you through college. I would also think that its only a small % of players that have this problem because an agent is not to bribe a kid who may never even see the pros.

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[quote=firstdown;215569]They do get paid alot about 50,000 per year is about what it cost to send a child to an out of state college. In state runs around 18,000 in Va.. Look at the kids who work hard in school and receive nothing in the form of a scholarship for their hard work.[/quote]

Here is the difference. Normal college students can go out and get a part time job. I worked 30-40 hours a week in college being a bartender. Do you think Reggie Bushg could do this? No. Playing major college football is a full time job. What do these guys do for spending money?

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[quote=skinsfan69;272370]Here is the difference. Normal college students can go out and get a part time job. I worked 30-40 hours a week in college being a bartender. Do you think Reggie Bushg could do this? No. Playing major college football is a full time job. What do these guys do for spending money?[/quote]

While I realize there may be a small problem with......spending money. Dude gets free education. Minimum of 10's of thousands of dollars. Dude is worshipped like a rockstar everywhere he goes. He's getting paid many times over in intangibles. I'm sure you can imagine. Did he pay for his parents $750k hacienda out of his..............spending money? Was he unaware this was not Hoyle in the NCAA? Ridiculous. In RB's case, he's going to a MULTI million dollar future.
Would you trade your life to have his (at that time) for the difference of..............spending money. It's difficult to feel sorry for someone in his position. We need to stop making excuses for this type of stupid crap for superstars in all fields, or change the rules. Until then, the rules are the rules.

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I don't care what he did. That 88 yard play is easily the play of the year and the somersault was the cherry on top!

He totally embarrassed Urlacher and I have a feeling it won't be the last time.