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I am beyond tired of the excuses about Brunell, injuries etc., the guy was over the hill before we traded for him and has done nothing to refute that, can he get the job done under optimum conditions? Yes, but how often does that happen? Bottom line he's a lowsey QB and Gibbs put all his faith in this guy and has refused to acknowledge his 43 mil dollar mistake, along with a second round draft pick [for a player who was about to be released before the Jag's heard Gibbs absolutly had to have him] by benching him. But this is not just another Brunell bashing thread no matter HOW MUCH I enjoy them.

I had time to breakdown the last 2 games in slow mo with my ti vo [Matty no wise cracks] and my real focus was on the O-line, in the minnesota game I noticed that it wasen't so much our O-line being overpowered but more of a blocking scheme problem, there were costant missed blocks and players double teaming 1 player and another standing around while defenders ran free to the QB. In the Cowboy game there was a little of that but a lot of guy's getting beat to the side, Jansen was costantly pushed back as well as Dockery, and the one thing you don't see from our line is defenders being pushed off the line of scrimmage. Now in the Cowboy game they constantly had 8 and 9 men in the box, I was really surprised at how little regard they had for the passing game, I also saw what I believe is part of defensive game plans for us, show Brunell a blitz and he immediatly starts running for his life regardless if they get to him or not, every throw he makes is off his back leg.

This got me to wondering watching blitz's and guy's missing blocks if maybe the game has passed Bugel by? Perhaps at this stage in his career he, as Gibbs admitted to this year cannot adjust to these new blitzkrieg type of defenses? I know the guy is a legend amoungst all skins fans but let's face it has our offensive line improved in 3 year's? I say no. Do we apparently have above average talent on the line? According to all the coaches we do, infact Gibbs said it's the strongest part of the team, so what's the problem? I really hate to say it because I really have alway's liked the guy but he may just be overwhelmed at this point in his career. Now if it's not Bugel and he's doing the best anyone could be expected with the talent that he has, then someone has to be shot for not identifying the incompetency of our linemen and making the proper changes, or at least trying to bring in better talent.

So what can we expect this week? We will crush an incompetent football team with no real pass rush other than Williams, and we will hear all about Brunell just got used to the new offense and so on, but it will be no different than last season, Brunell will play well when teams don't come near him and he has all day to throw and he knows it, as soon as we come up against a high pressure defense he will be right back where he is now. The line defiently has it's faults right now, but Brunell cannot drop back and step up into the pocket, make the quick read, and deliver the ball, and I believe that is part of the reason teams bring so many into the box, they know Brunell cannot respond to it. But in all fairness it is very difficult to get a real gauge on that from a TV you do not have a view of the entire field and what is happening to the WR's before the ball is thrown, guy's who go to the games should be able to give us a better idea of what Brunell see's downfield and who's really at fault, but I do have a tough time believing Moss, Randell, and LLoyd, along with Cooley with maybe the premier offensive genious in the game at coordinator can't get open.

Our defense on the other hand has it's problem's right now, and I do believe it's Spring's injury, with Springs in there we can free up player's to come on blitzes ala AA, who I don't believe can cover but I don't know for sure yet, I watched Carter and I have to say he can't make a routine tackle, I am starting to understand why the 9er's tried to make a LB out of him, he's overmatched by O-tackles. But probably the biggest problem standing before them right now is our offense is going to keep them on the field all day just like last season, and they also know they have to play perfect because Brunell is not going to put up many points especially if teams know we have to throw, so there is a ton of pressure on them which they shouldn't have to burden. But the least of our worries is the defense because Williams will conquer whatever problem they have right now that we can count on.

Specials? Well who'd a thunk it? Rock all the way, I would have laughed in your face if you told me Rock would return a kickoff for a TD in this lifetime or any other, he looked Mitchell esk on that return, but we still need a lot of work on our coverage team, but at least we are seeing improvement.

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well, every time i've heard people say how amazing our line or bugel is, i've been quick to point out we're clearly not top 5 (which has seemed to be the prevailing thought for 2 years) and that bugel hasn't really improved or found anyone since he got here. And during the draft, I wanted a new LG with our pick to replace dockery (and he wouldn't be rushed to start before he was ready since dock still has a year under contract).

that's water under the bridge now though, we have who we have. I'd like to see if campbell can do any better. If he really can't and shows nothing, we can always switch back i guess, but this is the closest to a gimme win as you can get...

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There aren't to many things that cause more chaos on a team, or make a coach/francise look more foolish than to switch QB's in and out. Certainly a recipe for disaster. And................I'll answer it before it gets shot back at me. It's only two games (12% of our scheduled games), not a season. It's far from over!

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[QUOTE=offiss;217741]I am beyond tired of the excuses about Brunell, injuries etc., the guy was over the hill before we traded for him and has done nothing to refute that, But this is not just another Brunell bashing thread no matter HOW MUCH I enjoy them.

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I thought this was another Brunell bashing thread, and I was going to jump on the bandwagon and state emphatically that I never wanted him, wasn't thrilled with the trade for him, and I too think he throws off his back foot too much, and throws it away in order to avoid sacks. But since he saved HOF Coach Gibbs life, and is now married to Coach Gibbs, I don't see any change at QB very soon. This in spite of the huge investment that we have in JC.

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For a non-MB basing thread, there is a lot of MB QB talk.

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Interesting to note though that Campbell threw it off his back foot a lot too this preseason. Am I right Schneed?

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how much further did the ball go?

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[quote=offiss;217741]I know the guy is a legend amoungst all skins fans but let's face it has our offensive line improved in 3 year's? I say no.[/quote]

Amazing how quickly we forget what shambles the OL was in when Spurrier was here. The OL has definitely improved since then, without question.

They're not playing well now but I wouldn't expect that to last very much longer.

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On that note MK, I am surprised, shocked at the..................."Redskin faithful" who have already abandoned ship, tossed the season, tossed Joe, Al, MB, and the list goes on. It was just a few months ago, these same........fans could be heard with shouts of joy at the Skins success with this same cast of..............stars. Interesting

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I broke down the first half of the game last night with my DVR on SUPER SLO MO and I even broke out my armchair clipboard and charted the plays. I even put on my PS2 headset just so I could feel even more like a wannabe loser. Afterwards I put all the info into a spreadsheet and this is what I found.

In the first half alone I noted 7 instances where one defender or more was running free to the QB without being blocked at all. I don't care what QB you're talking about, that kind of pressure is going to disrupt an offense.

I need to finish breaking down the 2nd half tonight, but I'm trying to find the SUPER DUPER SLO MO button so I can break it down frame by frame. I'll then chart those results in a pie chart and divide everything by pi.

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I shall suspend all activities until these results are in, Matty.

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[quote=Mattyk72;217780]I'll then chart those results in a pie chart and divide everything by pi.[/quote]

Mmmm. Pie. Question 3.

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Safety tip:
Super Duper Slow mode is oft referred to as "Mississippi mode" or in Mississippi as Arkansas mode, or Clinton mode. Check manufacturers listing for other loser data.
Residents of Mississippi, Arkansas notwithstanding. Sorry Hillary

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I'd like to chime in for a second on the throwing off the back foot thing....I've watched McNabb complete countless amazing throws off his back foot. As well as...hate to say it, Eli Manning. I'm just not sure how much merit that really has in the NFL.

I know it's a mechanical no-no, but I think it really boils down to the savvy and athletism of the quarterback.

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I think the problem with our O line is simple. It is not a finess line, that likes to do zone blocking and stretch plays, draws. They are a smash mouth, attack the d-line and LB's, run it down your throat line. Look at how bad they did when spurrier was here with that offense. Look at how they improved last year when we ran the ball right at the defense. They knew we were going to run, but we still piled up 150 again in that stretch. I think we need to nix this finess crap and line up and smack houston in the mouth. Go back to Redskin football. Joe Gibbs and Co. know where their bread and butter is and its those big guys up front. Jansen told the coaches last year, let us take you to playoffs, allow us to run the ball at the defense, no around the defense. We have big strong guys that are best at run blocking. Dockery is a good LG. He is big, strong and move for a guy his size. It would be a mistake to put someone else in the game and take him out. When we attack the line of scrimmage with Thomas and Dock pulling, no one can stop that!! Lets get back to REDSKIN FOOTBALL

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[QUOTE=backrow;217754]I thought this was another Brunell bashing thread, and I was going to jump on the bandwagon and state emphatically that I never wanted him, wasn't thrilled with the trade for him, and I too think he throws off his back foot too much, and throws it away in order to avoid sacks. But since he saved HOF Coach Gibbs life, and is now married to Coach Gibbs, I don't see any change at QB very soon. This in spite of the huge investment that we have in JC.[/QUOTE]

thats some funny shit,especially this line, "But since he saved HOF Coach Gibbs life, and is now married to Coach Gibbs, I don't see any change at QB very soon"
it does seem that way,gibbs wont bench him till its too late

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[quote=12thMan;217792]I'd like to chime in for a second on the throwing off the back foot thing....I've watched McNabb complete countless amazing throws off his back foot. As well as...hate to say it, Eli Manning. I'm just not sure how much merit that really has in the NFL.

I know it's a mechanical no-no, but I think it really boils down to the savvy and athletism of the quarterback.[/quote]

Agreed. Among the guys you named, Bret Favre also made a career from throwing off his back foot. An extremely talented quarterback can make nice throws off of their back foot. The problem is, most of Brunell's natural talent left him four years ago.

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The change to Saunders system also required a change in the way the o-line blocks, I think. This is causing troubles. I too have seen lots of missed blocks and free defenders, though not on super duper slo mo, and I think that's a result of missed assignments and lack of comfort in the new scheme. I think they'll get it, and I think Buges is stilla good coach. Don't forget that Portis ran for 1500 last year behind that line, and it took us to the playoffs. Some of that credit has to go to Buges, if we want to dump on him now.

Overall, I think that the problems on both sides of the ball have more to do with chemistry and confidence than with talent or schemes. It shouldn't surprise us that a new and complex offensive system takes time to implement. As for the D, injuries and new faces have hurt, but GW and Blache will get it going.

As for MB (and this is not, of course, an MB thread!), I don't care how he throws it, so long as he gets it to the recievers!

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Matty,

Can you separate that down by drives? Here's what I saw by looking at the play-by-play.

Rushes:
Drive Yds
1 0
2 6,3, and 0
3 none
4 2 (by now Dallas knows we have no rushing game)
5 19(Moss), 15
6 3
7 6,5,12 (ending at the half)(I think the last was a pass play)
Passes
Drive Down YdsToGo YdsOnPlay (- is incomplete, sack(#) is sack with yards lost)
1 1 10 6
1 3 4 -
2 none
3 1 10 15
3 1 10 7
3 2 8 -
3 1 10 6
3 1 10 -
3 2 10 sack(8)
3 3 18 14 (got the FG)
4 2 8 -
4 3 8 -
5 1 10 sack(11)
5 3 11 -
6 1 10 -
6 3 7 -
7 2 4 -

By the end of the 4th drive we have a total of 11 yards, only 1 rush longer than 3 yards. See if they starting blitzing about then. After all, they didn't have to worry about our running game, and they could just tee off.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;217780]I broke down the first half of the game last night with my DVR on SUPER SLO MO and I even broke out my armchair clipboard and charted the plays. I even put on my PS2 headset just so I could feel even more like a wannabe loser. Afterwards I put all the info into a spreadsheet and this is what I found.

In the first half alone I noted 7 instances where one defender or more was running free to the QB without being blocked at all. I don't care what QB you're talking about, that kind of pressure is going to disrupt an offense.

I need to finish breaking down the 2nd half tonight, but I'm trying to find the SUPER DUPER SLO MO button so I can break it down frame by frame. I'll then chart those results in a pie chart and divide everything by pi.[/QUOTE]

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Sorry, that formatting came out like S**T, but hopefully the idea is still intelligible.

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I'm not sure if this thread has been hijacked yet, or if it's been merged (I know we're not "bashing MB", but this thread is like saying "I don't mean to interrupt, ..." and then you go ahead and interrupt anyway), but I'm adding my own thoughts on Missississippi (and other southern schools). I like #8 the best (the joke, not the player).

[quote=Hog1;217787]Safety tip:
Super Duper Slow mode is oft referred to as "Mississippi mode" or in Mississippi as Arkansas mode, or Clinton mode. Check manufacturers listing for other loser data.
Residents of Mississippi, Arkansas notwithstanding. Sorry Hillary[/quote]

(1) What does the average Mississippi player get on his SATs?
.........Drool.

(2) What do you get when you put 32 West Virginia cheerleaders in one room?
...........A full set of teeth.

(3) How do you get a Georgia cheerleader into your dorm room?
..........Grease her hips and push.

(4) How do you get a Florida graduate off your porch?
..........Pay him for the pizza.

(5) How do you know if an Alabama football player has a girlfriend?
.........There is tobacco spit on both sides of his pickup.

(6) Why is the Kentucky football team like a possum?
......Because they play dead at home and get killed on the road.

(7) What are the longest three years of a LSU football player's life?
...........His freshman year.

(8) How many Virginia Tech freshmen does it take to change a light bulb?
..........None. That's a sophomore course.

(9) Where was O. J. headed in the white Bronco?
.......... Durham, North Carolina. He knew that the police would never look at Duke for a Heisman Trophy winner.

AND FINALLY

(10) Why did Tennessee choose orange as their team color?
.........You can wear it to the game on Saturday, hunting on Sunday, and
picking up trash along the highways the rest of the week.

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lol.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;217786]Mmmm. Pie. Question 3.[/QUOTE]

Ever notice how Pi starts with the digit "3". Clearly, we at the Warpath are connected with the cosmos - "Pi" being one of our favorite subjects and "3" being our most unsolvable question. It's kismet.

As for any true analytical discussion relevant to the Skins performance, I appear to have had a short term memory loss - has the season started yet?

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[QUOTE=Hog1;217749]There aren't to many things that cause more chaos on a team, or make a coach/francise look more foolish than to switch QB's in and out. Certainly a recipe for disaster. And................I'll answer it before it gets shot back at me. It's only two games (12% of our scheduled games), not a season. It's far from over![/QUOTE]



That's why Gibbs is not going to change QB's at this time regardless of how many polls we conduct to suggest otherwise. On offense the O line and the run game is what needs to get going, and it's not going to happen with Betts. We desperately need Portis healthy and back in the lineup then we can rush the ball 30-35 times a game. This O line is best suited for running and setting up the play-action pass.

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Gibbs doesn't mind making sudden changes, look at Ramsey.

but yeah, Betts needs a hole with a HOV lane to run through, he's not near crafty enough to find (or make) his own.

i think its time we realize our O-line is good but clearly not dominant even on its best days. Portis made his record breaking yard total last season improvising holes for himself, if he ever had huge gaps made for him consistently he'd be getting alot more breakaway long ones.

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10) Why did Tennessee choose orange as their team color?
.........You can wear it to the game on Saturday, hunting on Sunday, and
picking up trash along the highways the rest of the week.

THAT IS HUMOR!

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[QUOTE=illdefined;217829]Gibbs doesn't mind making sudden changes, look at Ramsey.

but yeah, Betts needs a hole with a HOV lane to run through, he's not near crafty enough to find (or make) his own.

i think its time we realize our O-line is good but clearly not dominant even on its best days. Portis made his record breaking yard total last season improvising holes for himself, if he ever had huge gaps made for him consistently he'd be getting alot more breakaway long ones.[/QUOTE]

ramsey wasnt gibbs boy,brunell is,he's already shown before that he will go down with the sinking ship that is mark brunell ,and he will do it again this yr

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;217898]ramsey wasnt gibbs boy,brunell is,he's already shown before that he will go down with the sinking ship that is mark brunell ,and he will do it again this yr[/QUOTE]

i fear you're right. except, isn't JC Gibbs's boy too??

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[QUOTE=illdefined;217919]i fear you're right. except, isn't JC Gibbs's boy too??[/QUOTE]


The problem is Gibbs made some guarentees to Brunell to convince him to come here and want's to back it up.

As well Mark is Gibbs illegitamate son who he's now making up with for lost time.

It's obvious now Ramsey was only his step son.

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[quote=offiss;218044]The problem is Gibbs made some guarentees to Brunell to convince him to come here and want's to back it up.

As well Mark is Gibbs illegitamate son who he's now making up with for lost time.

It's obvious now Ramsey was only his step son.[/quote]

I missed that, what guarantees did Gibbs make to Brunell?

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[quote=12thMan;218045]I missed that, what guarantees did Gibbs make to Brunell?[/quote]

probably that portis would do a lot of roids.

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[QUOTE=offiss;218044]The problem is Gibbs made some guarentees to Brunell to convince him to come here and want's to back it up.[/QUOTE]

What guarantees? Where is your proof? Oh, that's right..you have no proof. Funny how this wasn't a bash Brunell thread.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;218106]What guarantees? Where is your proof? Oh, that's right..you have no proof. Funny how this wasn't a bash Brunell thread.[/QUOTE]


Funny if you ever had an intelligent thought in your life.

Pay attention so that once again I will educate you, Gibbs flew to Jacksonville to convince Brunell to come to DC, reason he had to do that is because Brunell still felt he could start, so at the time Ramsey looked like an up and coming star, and he wanted no part of backing up a young QB who had apparently proven himself against the odds of a horrible pass blocking scheme with Spurrier, Brunells thinking was we were set a QB, but Gibbs conviced him otherwise, and no I don't have a video tape of the actual conversation, but if anyone believes that we gave up a second round pick and gave him a 43 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT to back up Ramsey? Then yes skinsguy you would have finally found someone that YOU could have intelligent conversations with, good luck in your search, your going to need it.

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It is...........stunning where you get these............revelations, 007. Yes, we are all..........stunned! You cannot let go of the Ramsey thing can you? You cannot accept he could not cut it here, and if you hadn't noticed, he's riding the pine in NY as well. I would not consider "proving" anything to Spurrier as an accomplishment of any sort as he himself could not cut it. Ramsey has the "Jeff George" syndrom. No conspiracy, Could not make with HOF coach, isn't making it in NY????????? Any questions?

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Offiss, Im just flabbergasted that you use TiVo......don't you know anything, you cannot possibly have any valid opinions whatsoever, haven't you learned from this site yet that you never question Gibbs? How can you possibly think for a minute that TiVo gives you some sort of insight you imbecile? Now REPENT!!!!! I for one have complete and total faith in the coaches.....(YAWN).

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[quote=paulskinsfan;218233]Offiss, Im just flabbergasted that you use TiVo......don't you know anything, you cannot possibly have any valid opinions whatsoever, haven't you learned from this site yet that you never question Gibbs? How can you possibly think for a minute that TiVo gives you some sort of insight you imbecile? Now REPENT!!!!! I for one have complete and total faith in the coaches.....(YAWN).[/quote]

So you have more faith in your TiVo than a Hall of Fame Coach and his staff?

Armchair coaching has reached a new level of jackassery.

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[QUOTE=offiss;218163]Funny if you ever had an intelligent thought in your life.
[/QUOTE]

Quite often, but I don't believe you'd be able to comprehend such highly educated thoughts as what I possess. Thanks for making it personal...

We all see you can't get past this love affair you have with Patrick Ramsey...how well did Patrick play this past week by the way?

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Thankyou!

Jack assery...............Hmmmmmm

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;218242]So you have more faith in your TiVo than a Hall of Fame Coach and his staff?

Armchair coaching has reached a new level of jackassery.[/QUOTE]

It's the Madden Football syndrome. People think they're experts because if it works on the video game, it must work in real life!

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If the Redskins players have any amount of this testiness,I pity the Texans. Poor David Carr, he was just starting to turn the corner in having a successful NFL career. Too bad he ran into a ticked off Redskins team along with ticked off Redskins fans.