SBF Is On "Vacation"
 

Normally we don't announce when we have banned someone, but I thought this one merited some explanation.

Look, we discussed with SBF several times behind close doors not to air his complaints in public like that, and that we couldn't have a different set of rules for him. Yet time after time he wanted things only his way. Personally, I don't care if he calls me a jerk all day. But as a mod, I have to see to it that he's not doing that to everyone else. Because others here may be bothered by him (and I know a lot are) but are reluctant to do anything because they're not moderators.

With all that in mind, we've given SBF a two week ban from the site. Because the rules are the same for everyone. He was given repeated warnings about publicly calling us jerks and Nazis for the past year but scoffed at every warning. If we let him get away with it, we might as well let everyone and it would make for a terrible site. Clearly, SBF is more sensitive than others and can give but won't take and truthfully that's just not going to work on this, or any, site. No one said mean things to him ever, yet he did to us and expected apologies from each of us. It's up to each of you, but I personally don't believe any of us owe him any apology of any sort

So anyhow, just wanted to explain to the entire Warpath community what has gone down and why the Front Office made its decision. Really, if any of you ever has a problem with any of the mods or another member or anything on the site, always PM one of us and let's handle it internally first.

That is all, if any other moderators want to chime in please do so.

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The only thing that really gets to me is how he has/is gone through so many differnent things in life; to let just a little joke bother him so much, all the time. I mean I understand when people strike a nerve and it happens once and you make up and apologize, but he does this ALL the time. I stand by the call, but what does everyone else think? Are we jumping the gun, or do you guys agree?

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I'm in agreement. I made a harmless country music joke a while back and he and another "sensitive" member became very personal and judgemental. Glad he's gone.
Good job mods.
Dallas Sucks.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66;218176]Dallas Sucks.[/QUOTE]
I think dallas blows and you're a jerk for using the word suck!

Okay, I'm sorry about that, I think to make up for it I will not post again until Sunday. Actually, I'll be in a tent in the middle of VA until then, but still.

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Like it or not, We are all part of this little community. I hope we see him back.

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I'll miss the pictures.

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I wish it hadn't come to this because I am sure that he'll be gone foreverenow and I genuinely think he brings a lot to the site. But I also think it was the right call. I don't know about any of the behind the scenes action but I have been around long enough to have a pretty good feel for the personalities of our mods and everyone of them seems pretty fair and straight foward. I can't imagine SBF wasn't treated with as much respect as possible and yet he clearly didn't want to understand people's position and admit he might be at fault.

I hope he thinks about it and realizes what went down wasn't about some dislike of him or some vendetta but was because of his misdeeds. And I hope he comes back and can apologize and move on like all this never happened.

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We hope the same FRPLG. I'll just say there have been other members who have taken a breather, and have come back better than ever before. Hopefully the same will happen here. I think you all know we don't go around just randomly banning people, especially long-time members.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;218174]The only thing that really gets to me is how he has/is gone through so many differnent things in life; to let just a little joke bother him so much, all the time. I mean I understand when people strike a nerve and it happens once and you make up and apologize, but he does this ALL the time. I stand by the call, but what does everyone else think? Are we jumping the gun, or do you guys agree?[/QUOTE]
The only thing that really made me mad was his whole "advice from a 20 year" thing. I can't stand when people wont listen to someone and have no real reason why. He didn't agree with you so to discount you he made some crack about age. That pissed me off.

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I bet he's got the biggest BBQ sandwich ever waiting to drop on TAFKAS's head!

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I can probably count on one hand how many times we've banned someone around here. And I'm talking about legit bans, not spammers or fans of other teams that come on and start ranting a bunch of nonsense.

It's something I really hate to do, but in this case I feel it was justified. It comes down to something very simple, respect. On several occassions he's been very disrespectful to the mods and other members. That's just not acceptable.

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I was going to stay out of it but i must say he had it coming.

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I guess it's the right thing, I did think he took things a little out of context. But then again, I'm not sitting in his seat so I have no idea how he rationalizes things and what plucks a nerve with him. But you can't just start calling people Nazis, not even joking.

With that being said, I still consider him a part of this community, and I think it would a good idea to actually have someone reach out to him after the ban is over. I know this site means a lot to that guy, and maybe he would reconsider his actions and re-join us.

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Seems harsh to me. I spent quite a while looking through his recent posts and couldn't find anything worthy of a ban. There is something wrong when genuine Redskins fans are being banned while moronic Cowboys fans have free rein.

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Well, Davy..I agree with that statement. However, and I'm not speaking on behalf of the Mods here, you can't call people Nazis. You just can't.

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You can't do it three times, be given three warnings privately and respond with "whatever zzzz" then do it again and not expect to get some sort of reprimand.

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[quote=davy;218245]Seems harsh to me. I spent quite a while looking through his recent posts and couldn't find anything worthy of a ban. There is something wrong when genuine Redskins fans are being banned while moronic Cowboys fans have free rein.[/quote]

You also don't know what goes on behind the scenes. He was warned several times and he basically scoffed at those warnings.

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It's a shame, as Mike is a standup guy. But, after reading over some of the stuff over the past few days or so, it seems that a nerve has been struck, and he's been on the defensive ever since.

However, if these things have happened behind the scenes, and he's disrespecting, then the punishment fits the crime. I do agree with 12thMan in extending an olive branch after the 2 weeks, to let him know that we all have disagreements from time to time, but we all have that one thing in common, and we should never let a few goofy posts ruin that.

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He has already been told by the mods that this is a 2-week cooling off period and we hope he comes back with a refreshed attitude and contributes in a manner he has shown he is capable of.

There is a distinct difference between disagreements and disrespect. And for the most part, everyone here understands that

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;218184]I think dallas blows and you're a jerk for using the word suck!

Okay, I'm sorry about that, I think to make up for it I will not post again until Sunday. Actually, I'll be in a tent in the middle of VA until then, but still.[/QUOTE]
Ha! :)

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I am a new member and really hope I will not get treated the way SBF treated some of you based on the above message from moderator...
Umberto

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[QUOTE=Umberto;218278]I am a new member and really hope I will not get treated the way SBF treated some of you based on the above message from moderator...
Umberto[/QUOTE]

Bienvenidos Umberto! Truthfully, you shouldn't have any problems here, if you ever do just let me or any other mod know in a PM.

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TAFKAS, you're still a jerk.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;218265]It's a shame, as Mike is a standup guy. But, after reading over some of the stuff over the past few days or so, it seems that a nerve has been struck, and he's been on the defensive ever since.

However, if these things have happened behind the scenes, and he's disrespecting, then the punishment fits the crime. I do agree with 12thMan in extending an olive branch after the 2 weeks, to let him know that we all have disagreements from time to time, but we all have that one thing in common, and we should never let a few goofy posts ruin that.[/quote]

I might add, someone other than a Mod might try reaching out to him.

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Is it April?

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[quote=12thMan;218292]I might add, someone other than a Mod might try reaching out to him.[/quote] I have! And then I found out some other disturbing things after I appologized. But as I said before, I have no problem with SBF but I can see why someone would. I still think this whole situation is kinda funny.

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Well, in that case it's on him. I mean, we're not babysitting people here.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;218289]TAFKAS, you're still a jerk.[/QUOTE]

Oye cabron! Are you calling me Steve Martin? (that one's for BrudLee, Stevie's biggest fan)

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[quote=onlydarksets;218293]Is it April?[/quote]

Crossed my mind as I was trying to figure out what happened.

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Mods: It's a tough call, given the good things SBF brings to the site, but the main thing that makes the Warpath the best skins site is that we generally avoid the flaming and other nonesense that plagues extreme and other sites. I hope SBF returns, but it was the right call, IMHO.

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First of all, I do not know about the previous things, but I think this was instigated by you TAF, no offense. In that thread in the Parking Lot, you came out and attacked him. Granted it was not something someone should be offended by, I think you kinda brought up the situation. Now I personally do not know the other statements he made in the past, but I am judging it off of the "terrorists" thread, and I do not think that is enough for a ban. And even if he is a bit too sensative, like about us not joking around on a Skins forum, whatever.

I could be wrong, because I do not know all of his posts, but I think this is a bit too much. I think its awesome, TAF, that you made this open so everyone can put their opinion into it. As the great Borat says, "I lieee-k".

With that being said, I do not think SBF will return. He does not seem like that kinda person that would take rejection and come back. I will miss the BBQ and the "peace mike".

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The 'Peace Mike' was classic.

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[quote=Umberto;218278]I am a new member and really hope I will not get treated the way SBF treated some of you based on the above message from moderator...
Umberto[/quote]

I dont think you will be treated the same.

On a side note:"Do you know what they call a shark in spanish? UMBERTO!!!"(poker reference, I love that guy lol).

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[QUOTE=hooskins;218315]First of all, I do not know about the previous things, but I think this was instigated by you TAF, no offense. In that thread in the Parking Lot, you came out and attacked him. Granted it was not something someone should be offended by, I think you kinda brought up the situation. Now I personally do not know the other statements he made in the past, but I am judging it off of the "terrorists" thread, and I do not think that is enough for a ban. And even if he is a bit too sensative, like about us not joking around on a Skins forum, whatever.

I could be wrong, because I do not know all of his posts, but I think this is a bit too much. I think its awesome, TAF, that you made this open so everyone can put their opinion into it. As the great Borat says, "I lieee-k".

With that being said, I do not think SBF will return. He does not seem like that kinda person that would take rejection and come back. I will miss the BBQ and the "peace mike".[/QUOTE]

I see. Well, last year he was upset by something. I don't remember what off-hand. I think someone made some Jesus joke. And he called us mods jerks and Nazis for not handling the matter. We replied that none of us had been on line during the past 24 hours and that we would handle it (which we did) and that in the future he should PM us first. So we thought everything was cool. Shortly thereafter we moved one of his redskins merchandise threads from the locker room to the redskins gear forum. I think Matty who did it, but he innocently forgot to tell SBF. So SBF started another thread once again declaring us Nazis and jerks for deleting his thread. We told him we only moved it and apologized for not notifying him and once again please address this in private.

Then came the infamous Sports Illustrated thread, where we teased him about posting a duplicate thread. He got all upset saying he came here for Redskins talk. So I moved into the Parking Lot, in retrospect I should have just locked the thread but I didn't see the harm in just joking around. Once again, he publicly called us Nazis and jerks. We exchanged a couple of PMs everything seemed to be ok. But it was made clear to him that he had now been warned yet again not to do this in public. He scoffed at this, probably figuring there was no way he would ever be banned.

I did not intend to attack him in any way in that terrorist thread, just playfully teasing him. He went off the deep end. I mean for crying out loud, we had a whole "Impersonations" thread where we all teased each other. I mean in that very thread jamf cracked on me. I didn't erupt, I know he's only kidding. It was all harmless fun. He went off the deep end.

And let me just make clear that, unless it's a spammer, the mods don't ban anyone without discussing with other mods, especially Matty. In this instance, because I am at the forefront of it to the rest of you I guess I have taken on the role of the bad guy or the "asshole" as I have been privately told. If that's the case, so be it. Being a mod entails having to play that role sometimes. None of the mods were chosen to protect individual members. We're here to protect the whole community.

We're all aware and appreciative of the contributions SBF has made, and hopefully again will make to the board. That's why I felt it necessary to break protocol and explain the decision to everyone.

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[quote=TAFKAS;218337]I see. Well, last year he was upset by something. I don't remember what off-hand. I think someone made some Jesus joke. And he called us mods jerks and Nazis for not handling the matter. We replied that none of us had been on line during the past 24 hours and that we would handle it (which we did) and that in the future he should PM us first. So we thought everything was cool. Shortly thereafter we moved one of his redskins merchandise threads from the locker room to the redskins gear forum. I think Matty who did it, but he innocently forgot to tell SBF. So SBF started another thread once again declaring us Nazis and jerks for deleting his thread. We told him we only moved it and apologized for not notifying him and once again please address this in private.

Then came the infamous Sports Illustrated thread, where we teased him about posting a duplicate thread. He got all upset saying he came here for Redskins talk. So I moved into the Parking Lot, in retrospect I should have just locked the thread but I didn't see the harm in just joking around. Once again, he publicly called us Nazis and jerks. We exchanged a couple of PMs everything seemed to be ok. But it was made clear to him that he had now been warned yet again not to do this in public. He scoffed at this, probably figuring there was no way he would ever be banned.

I did not intend to attack him in any way in that terrorist thread, just playfully teasing him. He went off the deep end. I mean for crying out loud, we had a whole "Impersonations" thread where we all teased each other. I mean in that very thread jamf cracked on me. I didn't erupt, I know he's only kidding. It was all harmless fun. He went off the deep end.

And let me just make clear that, unless it's a spammer, the mods don't ban anyone without discussing with other mods, especially Matty. In this instance, because I am at the forefront of it to the rest of you I guess I have taken on the role of the bad guy or the "asshole" as I have been privately told. If that's the case, so be it. Being a mod entails having to play that role sometimes. None of the mods were chosen to protect individual members. We're here to protect the whole community.

We're all aware and appreciative of the contributions SBF has made, and hopefully again will make to the board. That's why I felt it necessary to break protocol and explain the decision to everyone.[/quote]

I was not aware of all the other things that he did in the past. My bad.

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With all that being said, TAF, SBF didn't seem like a nominal member. He was loyal and a contributor. I can say it appeared to me that this site was a very intregal part of his life too. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. And I understand that you just can't let members do what they want. Afterall, we're grown ass men here.

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[quote=TAFKAS;218337]I did not intend to attack him in any way in that terrorist thread, just playfully teasing him. He went off the deep end. I mean for crying out loud, we had a whole "Impersonations" thread where we all teased each other. I mean in that very thread jamf cracked on me. I didn't erupt, I know he's only kidding. It was all harmless fun. He went off the deep end.[/quote]

Strikes 1 & 2 are acceptable. Strike 3 really seems to be a stretch.

I agree w/ hooskins. It really does seem that SBF was provoked in this instance. He posted a harmless thread and then was made fun of. Yes everybody teases eachother every now and then, but given the circumstances, and the way in which your paths have crossed in the past, I believe that it was not wise to post what you did. Hindsight is always 20/20, though.

He may have gone "off the deep end", but I think he was led to the edge this time.

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He's not a nominal member. And hopefully he'll come back. Look, let me use ExOffender and BMF21 as examples if I may. Both were given temp bans and came back and we've had no problems with either.

Maybe it was a mistake to break protocol and discuss our decisions publicly. Because I'm aware of the irony of saying he should have handled this privately and then addressing this publicly.

If another mod wants to lock, feel free

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I don't know anything, and I don't read all the posts.

However, in my opinion, TAFKAS (and the other moderators) has always been fair.

(I hope SBF comes back, and I think he will)

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This is ridiculously funny and sad, all at the same time. There are several people in here I have dueled with (booing people come to mind) but in the end I give up because deep down inside, I'm really a lazy bastard.

Mommy, why isn't everyone like me? I'm I special?