Adam Archuleta
 

Every game i can't help thinking what a waste of money this guy was. It must be a smack in the face to Sean Taylor whose salary is like half that of Adam's. It's a real blower that we lost Pierson.. he always seemed to step it up and is a good cover man, it would of been a good combo with him in on passing downs and Adam in for blitzes and stopping the run. I feel like we should look into signing a good cover safety or trading for one. What do you guys think?

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Arch plays the pass poor and plays the run great, but in the coverage area he has so far proven nothing. We could have saved money if we would have resigned Clark who is a far better cover safety. Nothing we can do about it now. Maybe convert Rumph or Ade to safety, but that'll never happen so continue to watch arch get torched and take us out of games. I sure hope we see what the coaching staff has seen in this guy......Soon

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i was never an aa fan. plays like a slower linebacker that couldnt cover me. ryan clark got run over a few times, but was also in position to make some plays

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[quote=dmek25;220447]i was never an aa fan. plays like a slower linebacker that couldnt cover me. ryan clark got run over a few times, but was also in position to make some plays[/quote]

aa cant hold ryan clarks jock...lol

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I really think we need to see what AA is doing in the second half of the season before we declare him a waste of money.

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he leads the team in solo tackles and is 2nd in total tackles...leave him alone for now

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okay dont know how to say this but it appears as though aa or ac are going to go down in history as BUSTS!!!!!

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arch is atleast making SOME plays...Carter has done 0

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but to aa's defense, he is in his first year of the new defense. lets hope he is just learning

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[quote=soccercycbk;220444]Every game i can't help thinking what a waste of money this guy was. It must be a smack in the face to Sean Taylor whose salary is like half that of Adam's. It's a real blower that we lost Pierson.. he always seemed to step it up and is a good cover man, it would of been a good combo with him in on passing downs and Adam in for blitzes and stopping the run. I feel like we should look into signing a good cover safety or trading for one. What do you guys think?[/quote]

Don't worry. Wait until Taylor holds out during the offseason. Making Archuleta the highest paid safety is arguably the worst roster move that I have ever seen from them. Let's think about this. You have guys like Antonio Pierce, Smoot and Clark. These guys were developed, very effective in your system, and wanted to stay. So what does the team do? They lowball every one of them.

You cannot tell me that the defense wouldn't have been better last year and this year with these guys. (And don't get me started on what could have been if we had drafted Merriman instead of Rogers)

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I don't know how anyone can complain about Pierce when Marshall has filled in and done a fine job at a fraction of the cost.

Smoot just isn't a GW corner, not physical enough. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

As for AA, let's give him more than a few games to pass judgement. This is ridiculous.

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trailer trash..........

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[quote=Mattyk72;220486]I don't know how anyone can complain about Pierce when Marshall has filled in and done a fine job at a fraction of the cost.

Smoot just isn't a GW corner, not physical enough. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

As for AA, let's give him more than a few games to pass judgement. This is ridiculous.[/quote]

Smoot knocked the crap out of our guys when he played and he can catch the ball. Rogers has had two huge drops and he has only been with us for 21 games.

Marshall is great but Pierce is better.

Archuletta has been garbage in the pre-season and regular season. He is the highest paid safety in the league. He needs to step it up.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;220489]Smoot knocked the crap out of our guys when he played and he can catch the ball. Rogers has had two huge drops and he has only been with us for 21 games.

Marshall is great but Pierce is better.

Archuletta has been garbage in the pre-season and regular season. He is the highest paid safety in the league. He needs to step it up.[/quote]

If Williams loved Smoot so much don't you think we would have tried harder to keep him?

Look at the corners Williams likes. Big, physical guys that hit and cover. Sorry but Smoot doesn't fit that description.

Marshall is a TON cheaper than what Pierce would have cost us, therefore letting him go was the wiser move.

AA does need to step up, but people calling for him to be traded or benched is insane. He's still settling into this system, give the man a break.

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[quote=Mattyk72;220493]If Williams loved Smoot so much don't you think we would have tried harder to keep him?

Look at the corners Williams likes. Big, physical guys that hit and cover. Sorry but Smoot doesn't fit that description.

Marshall is a TON cheaper than what Pierce would have cost us, therefore letting him go was the wiser move.

AA does need to step up, but people calling for him to be traded or benched is insane. He's still settling into this system, give the man a break.[/quote]

My original point was that the defense would have been better last year and this year with those guys. The defense with Pierce was 3rd in the NFL. They were top 10 last year and a disappointment this year. I would rather have the 2004 version. If you don't agree, argue with the numbers.

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should have kept clark better player and would have been alot cheaper. but ol'danny had to sign someone else instead of keeping someone you already had producing for the skins. and carter was another waste of money,hey at least we have all of our picks in the draft next year to look for a pass rusher. what your kidding me we dont have a second third or fourth next year wow that surprising.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;220496]should have kept clark better player and would have been alot cheaper. but ol'danny had to sign someone else instead of keeping someone you already had producing for the skins. and carter was another waste of money,hey at least we have all of our picks in the draft next year to look for a pass rusher. what your kidding me we dont have a second third or fourth next year wow that surprising.[/quote]

I agree with you but Danny opened the wallet b/c Gibbs and crew told him too, so they are just as much at fault as Snyder

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that true maybe danny should get a real gm to keep him from making mistakes. danny been doing this since 2000 except when marty was here. Marty keep him in line on signing all kinds of big fa.

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Well heck...since Gibbs' return, everybody had been yelling new O.C......draft a QB...etc....I wouldn't doubt if Snyder didn't try to get Casserly back into the fold. Of course he's worked wonders for the Texans (smirk.)

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;220494]My original point was that the defense would have been better last year and this year with those guys. The defense with Pierce was 3rd in the NFL. They were top 10 last year and a disappointment this year. I would rather have the 2004 version. If you don't agree, argue with the numbers.[/quote]

That's all speculative on your part, nobody can say for sure what would have happened had we kept them.

I still don't understand the logic of wanting to keep Pierce at a much higher price tag for a job that was done almost as equally well by Marshall at a much lower figure.

As for Smoot, Rogers became his replacement and is a better fit. He's still young, but his upside is much larger.

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[quote=Mattyk72;220504]That's all speculative on your part, nobody can say for sure what would have happened had we kept them.

I still don't understand the logic of wanting to keep Pierce at a much higher price tag for a job that was done almost as equally well by Marshall at a much lower figure.

As for Smoot, Rogers became his replacement and is a better fit. He's still young, but his upside is much larger.[/quote]

If upside is getting torched on a weekly basis than he has plenty of it. You would think that opposing teams would go after Wright or Rumph. Instead they victimize our new #1 corner. I have seen some great coverage and nice hits by Rogers but until he shows that he can catch the ball he is going to continue to get abused.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;220479]Don't worry. Wait until Taylor holds out during the offseason. Making Archuleta the highest paid safety is arguably the worst roster move that I have ever seen from them. Let's think about this. You have guys like Antonio Pierce, Smoot and Clark. These guys were developed, very effective in your system, and wanted to stay. So what does the team do? They lowball every one of them.

You cannot tell me that the defense wouldn't have been better last year and this year with these guys. (And don't get me started on what could have been if we had drafted Merriman instead of Rogers)[/QUOTE]

I agree. Another downside is that we have to draft replacements. Why let smoot go is we are going to draft another corner #1? We could've used the pick at another position. I like rogers and I think he could be better than smoot but I would rather use the pick depth somewhere else. Why Draft McIntosh? If we kept pierce, Marshall would be our weakside LB. We couldve used the McIntosh PICKS(we gave away more picks to move up...) for reserve Linemen and DB's

Archuleta Needs to grasp the defence a little better. I still have hope for him but he reminds me alot of Stanley Richards :(

The one thing I dont agree with you on is drafting merriman over rogers. If we didnt have rogers we would have Rumph and Wright starting right now...
Merriman is a system linebacker who is only good at Filling a gap. He would never get on the field as a redskin. He is doing in San Diego what Lavar did for us when Schotty was coaching the skins. Put him on another team, He is just a solid big ass linebacker kinda like Kirkland of the steeler( 90's). You will never see his slow ass in coverage.

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By upside I mean future.

Rogers is in his 2nd year and clearly not ready to be a #1 corner yet which he's been forced into, what do you really expect?? Jeez can we just give the kid some time?

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]If upside is getting torched on a weekly basis than he has plenty of it. You would think that opposing teams would go after Wright or Rumph. Instead they victimize our new #1 corner. I have seen some great coverage and nice hits by Rogers but until he shows that he can catch the ball he is going to continue to get abused.[/quote]

The reason they're throwing at Rogers is because

1) HE is not a number 1 corner...
2) He's guarding their best receiver.

It makes total sense why they aren't throwing to their lesser receivers, because they can throw to their best one... duh..

[quote=Grim21Reaper]My original point was that the defense would have been better last year and this year with those guys. The defense with Pierce was 3rd in the NFL. They were top 10 last year and a disappointment this year. I would rather have the 2004 version. If you don't agree, argue with the numbers. [/quote]
Actually I'll follow your advice and argue with the numbers. Those numbers don't mean anything. The league changes every year... teams get better... teams get worse. I'm positive a team has been ranked high, improved, and the following year was ranked lower. The line of reasoning is flawed. Those numbers should be used as a guideline, and not a rule. Especially when your talking about 5 or 6 places.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;220494]My original point was that the defense would have been better last year and this year with those guys. The defense with Pierce was 3rd in the NFL. They were top 10 last year and a disappointment this year. I would rather have the 2004 version. If you don't agree, argue with the numbers.[/QUOTE]
And our offense would have no weapons. We were able to sign some FAs because they replaced Pierce with a lower cost alternative with similar production. They were able to replace Smoot with a lower cost alternativeand more upside.

You can't have everything. If we pay Pierce and Smoot then we have no ARE or BL. Maybe one of them. Maybe. On top of that we probably are enduring another year os LA's drama since letting him go would have been more difficult.

The made decisions to not pay a #2 corner #1 money and thought they had a good replacement for Pierce for 1/4 the cost. Now Marshall can't be quibbled with. He has been fine. Letting Smoot go has been difficult but lets be honest...he didn't totally fit the system and he would have cost an arm and a leg.

The Clark/AA move seems off to me since it doesn't follow the value/production model they usually use. They must obviously think AA is a big upgrade or they wouldn't have let Clark go. I am willing to trust them a few more games on AA. I think 3 games is nowhere near enough to judge.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;220509]By upside I mean future.

Rogers is in his 2nd year and clearly not ready to be a #1 corner yet which he's been forced into, what do you really expect?? Jeez can we just give the kid some time?[/QUOTE]


not to be too contrary but the future is exactly what us "post-Brunell"ers are thinking of when we talk about the upside of Jason Campbell.

back to the subject, the Pierce/Marshall/$ debate could be applied to Ryan Clark and Farce-uleta in reverse. will Arch be $30 mill worth of improvement?

also, what round was Rogers drafted? was something closer to Champ Bailey reasonable to expect?

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[QUOTE=illdefined;220519]not to be too contrary but the future is exactly what us "post-Brunell"ers are thinking of when we talk about the upside of Jason Campbell.

back to the subject, the Pierce/Marshall/$ debate could be applied to Ryan Clark and Farce-uleta in reverse. will Arch be $30 mill worth of improvement?

also, what round was Rogers drafted? was something closer to Champ Bailey reasonable to expect?[/QUOTE]
Champ Bailey is the best cover cornr in football so something close to him is probably in the top 3 or 4. Sorry but a quality corner is the best you can hope for really. He hasn't shown anything to lead us to believe he won't be a #1 at some point. He has struggled somewhat but he hasn't gotten torn apart. A few bad plays really. If he was constantly getting ripped apart I would be nervous. He justs seems inexperienced to me.

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did Champ need "breaking in" time? didn't he start at no. 1 corner rather quickly? honestly don't remember.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;220522]did Champ need "breaking in" time? didn't he start at no. 1 corner rather quickly? honestly don't remember.[/QUOTE]
No he was good from the start. I don't think it is ever reasonable to expect that level of production early in a career from any draft pick though. He is a big exception. Especially at the hardest position in football.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;220524]No he was good from the start. I don't think it is ever reasonable to expect that level of production early in a career from any draft pick though. He is a big exception. Especially at the hardest position in football.[/QUOTE]

yeah thats what i thought. sucks we couldn't win the corner lottery twice.

still, as good as Champ is, he doesn't dress up like this!
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The 2004 Washington Redskins were 1-2 at this point, as well. How are they any better than our current team?

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[quote=Mattyk72;220509]By upside I mean future.

Rogers is in his 2nd year and clearly not ready to be a #1 corner yet which he's been forced into, what do you really expect?? Jeez can we just give the kid some time?[/quote]
I firmly believe Rogers will be really good! And I thought he played very well against Dallas

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[quote=illdefined;220519]not to be too contrary but the future is exactly what us "post-Brunell"ers are thinking of when we talk about the upside of Jason Campbell.

back to the subject, the Pierce/Marshall/$ debate could be applied to Ryan Clark and Farce-uleta in reverse. will Arch be $30 mill worth of improvement?

also, what round was Rogers drafted? was something closer to Champ Bailey reasonable to expect?[/quote]

Campbell isn't playing because Brunell is the better option right now. With Rogers there isn't a better option. Well, Springs of course but he's hurt.

Regarding AA, still too early to tell. Let's give him the season at least to start judging.

Bailey is a special player. Who knows, maybe Rogers can approach his level of play someday, but Bailey coming out of college was ready for primetime. Rogers is still working on getting there.

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Both corners we got when we had #28 here developed very quickly and well (Bailey and Smoot.) I don't think this is a coincidence. We need to get him back as a DB coach. The publicity would also help his charity.

As far as comparing Smoot and Rogers, they are both #2 corners, so that part (at least) is comparable. But you can't compare Rogers covering the #1 receiver vs. Smoot covering the #2.

Most of our weaknesses on defense are on pass coverage. I feel that when Springs comes back it will about as much impact as when Portis came back (if not more) on offense. Rogers will be back to his #2. The other guys won't be shading over to Rogers 'cause they won't be worried about him doing his job. And Arch and co. who aren't good in coverage won't have to do it any more (or much), thus freeing them up to do what they do best. Just about everybody's playing suboptimally, since they're trying to adjust to help each other out. To me, it feels like, with Springs, we'll be able to bring an extra defender at the QB on pass plays. That's huge.

So my verdict on Arch and Carter: they've looked (worse than) useless so far, but I'm reserving judgement until after Springs is back.

I also liked Smoot, and he should regret leaving here. After all, I'm sure "love boats" happen here all the time, so if he'd invited some politician on the boat that the incident would never have reached the papers! ;-)

Sorry about this stream-of-consciousness post.

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Right. Speaking of Archuleta, I HAVE been hard on him, but I was reading that article about Holdman and he was saying how he took a year in the system to stop "thinking" and just start reacting.

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[quote=Mattyk72;220486]I don't know how anyone can complain about Pierce when Marshall has filled in and done a fine job at a fraction of the cost.

Smoot just isn't a GW corner, not physical enough. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

As for AA, let's give him more than a few games to pass judgement. This is ridiculous.[/quote]

are you kidding me? our best LB lineup was washington-pierce-marshall by far. right now warrick holdman is in the lineup instead of pierce, and that sucks. Smoot may not be a GW corner, but he is a lot better than rogers at this point (and he also put on a lot of weight this offseason).

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[QUOTE=That Guy;220566]are you kidding me? our best LB lineup was washington-pierce-marshall by far. right now warrick holdman is in the lineup instead of pierce, and that sucks. Smoot may not be a GW corner, but he is a lot better than rogers at this point (and he also put on a lot of weight this offseason).[/QUOTE]

Holdman was never MLB

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[quote=That Guy;220566]are you kidding me? our best LB lineup was washington-pierce-marshall by far. right now warrick holdman is in the lineup instead of pierce, and that sucks. Smoot may not be a GW corner, but he is a lot better than rogers at this point (and he also put on a lot of weight this offseason).[/quote]

Not sure what you're talking about.

Holdman is playing in Arrington's old spot and playing very well right now to boot.