Redskins v. Giants: Goat of the Week?
 

Here are my goats of the week:

1. The offensive line, particularly Jon Jansen (who IMHO is overrated), could not give Brunell time.

2. Brunell can make plays when offered time, but when he's hurried he looks like a backup.

3. The entire defense.

4. Joe Gibbs, yup Gibbs himself is a nominee for goat of the week. Okay, it's not entirely fair to nominate him for goat of the week, but what was he thinking at the end of the 3rd quarter, when we were down by two touchdowns, when he decided to kick a field goal on 4th and 1?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;225586]Here are my goats of the week:

1. The offensive line, particularly Jon Jansen (who IMHO is overrated), could not give Brunell time.

2. Brunell can make plays when offered time, but when he's hurried he looks like a backup.

3. The entire defense.

4. Joe Gibbs, yup Gibbs himself is a nominee for goat of the week. Okay, it's not entirely fair to nominate him for goat of the week, but what was he thinking at the end of the 3rd quarter, when we were down by two touchdowns, when he decided to kick a field goal on 4th and 1?[/quote]

It is Brunell, yeah the line wasn't too good, but Brunell can't expect 10 seconds of time each snap.

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The entire team and coaches. I'm not going to point any fingers at any individuals because I think we stunk across the board. You win as a team and lose as one, and today was definitely a team effort for that loss.

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If I have to listen to Brunell bashing all week I think I'm going to puke. If you can honestly say that he was the main reason for that loss I'm sorry that's just a very ignorant view.

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Andre Carter - He had the best seat in the house. He watched todays game. Did he have a single tackle or QB hurry? He was manhandled in the running game. It is time to play Renaldo Wynn on 1st and 2nd downs and Carter on third and long. We over paid for Carter. We over paid for Archuleta.

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Gregg Williams. for putting all his eggs in the Spring basket, letting go of Harris and Clark, and bad judgement on Carter and Farculeta.

he also called a bad, one-dimensional defensive game that didn't take a handful of ex-Redskins to figure out.

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[quote=Mattyk72;225591]If I have to listen to Brunell bashing all week I think I'm going to puke. If you can honestly say that he was the main reason for that loss I'm sorry that's just a very ignorant view.[/quote]

I think I have to disagree. Whenever another team makes an offense look like that it always starts with the QB plain and simple. He is too easy to scheme against and 3 times out of 5 this year that's exactly what has happened. I won't say anything else bad about Brunell this week but he is making me crazy. And yes that sure was a team loss of course.

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The Redskins organization.


Everyone. Gibbs, Williams, anyone in the uniform, the front office, the fans (i'll admit I was pretty blah all day). That was terrible from top to bottom.

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Matty,

I agree that our problems went far beyond Brunell today. He was definately not the sole or main cause of our problems, but he certainly was not part of the solution.

Brunell, to me, seems like a stopgap measure ... he's not a playmaker, he's a custodian who just oversees things. Whenever Brunell gets pressure he becomes inaccurate and just looks awful. He can look great, however, when all the other parts are working. It is just too bad that its rare that all the parts are in fact working. He's as inconsistent as our defense.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;225601]it always starts with the QB plain and simple. [/QUOTE]


Well said!

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And maybe just maybe the Giants played well.:)

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Sorry, but this was a team letdown today... I'm surprised the score wasn't worse. Even though the giants dominated the stats, we were still in the game due to the field goal battle until the end of the 3rd. we couldn't stop any 3rd downs- the one that hurt was the 3rd and 15 or so that led to a TD.

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The Giants did play well today. We played awful. That adds up to a win, and a deserved one at that, for the Giants.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;225589]The entire team and coaches. I'm not going to point any fingers at any individuals because I think we stunk across the board. You win as a team and lose as one, and today was definitely a team effort for that loss.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. That was an ugly and lackluster game across the board. Very disappointing.

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Its Brunell, he stinks! 109yds passing WTF? He is so inconsistent and no defense is afraid he is gonna air it out, cause he cant anymore. He probably should have had 2-3 picks, and just put up and ugly display, its going to be an ebarrasing work week.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;225633]The Giants did play well today. We played awful. That adds up to a win, and a deserved one at that, for the Giants.[/quote]


Thanks.

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1. Oline. They were the heroes last week and crap today.
2. Carlos Rogers. Soft coverage. Dropped INT. Poor angles and tackling. Good thing he wasn't a top 10 pick...oops
3. Mark Foley

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The goat is anyone who wears the Burgundy and Gold.

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I'm putting this one on Tony Siragusa his irritating obvious statements had me distracted and I could recover and be the fan I know I can be. He's got in my head and for that I'm sorry

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;225591]If I have to listen to Brunell bashing all week I think I'm going to puke. If you can honestly say that he was the main reason for that loss I'm sorry that's just a very ignorant view.[/QUOTE]

You won't have to listen to Brunell bashing because everyone will have too tough of a time identifying whom to bash. Offense, defense, Hall (please bring in competition), coaching. Everything was bad this week. That's why we're 0-3 vs. the NFC and 0-2 in the NFC East. We're a sub-.500 team, like it or not.

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Look , I don't think it was that bad of a game .All the NFC EAST games are like this ,slpits .Home field means alot more in the Divison.

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There will be no game thoughts this week. Since the Skins decided to take the week off, I am too. Call these parting shots instead:

Our offensive line is good at home but absolutely terrible on the road. That crowd was fairly quiet up there today and yet it's penalty after penalty. The coaching staff needs to get on these guys and stay on them constantly. Otherwise, they just mail it in. Consistency is what counts in the trenches and they don't got any.

The offensive game plan was thoroughly predictable. Vanilla City. They came out thinking they could run the same stuff they ran against Jacksonville, and obviously the Giants looked at that game too. Portis seemed off his game and when teams take away Moss, LLoyd needs to step up. He seems like a Taylor Jacobs clone at this point. Give me Patten, now.

Its silly to blame Brunell. He's not the playmaker. If your expecting him to be Joe Montana you will consistently be disappointed.

Our defense is all smoke and mirrors at this point. They were fortunate not to give up 35 today. Nobody could get off a block up front. Andre Carter was simply overwhemed. Archuletta looks like a high school kid out there. Having said that they surrendered fewer points than last week which is astounding, really. Go figure.

Can we go back to blasting Frost now? He was awful today. Both of Hall's misses this year have been to the left. Ade Jimoh did a good job on covering that punt inside the 5. I knew he would show up big today.

Which brings us to the goat of the week. (Drumroll)

The winner is.....

Dale Lindsey. Shut your big yap and get your guys to focus EVERY WEEK.

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I agree with Matty. I would appreciate it if so many people didn't appear idiotic in relation to Mark Brunell. I felt the play-calling was atrocious on offense. And if you saw the replays, it appeared the receivers were covered, which supports my claim of bad play-calling. If the Giants have a good run defense and a poor pass defense you shouldn't start out by establishing the run. You should do some short passes to loosen them up and then go for the run.

That being said, the biggest disaster area was the DBs. Perhaps they can line up within 100 yards of the line of scrimmage. As it was, they allowed conversions for almost all 3rd down conversions by lining up so far from the line of scrimmage. And by playing so far off of the line of scrimmage, they eliminated themselves from any reasonable run support. So whomever decided that they should play so far off the line is the goat of the week. Note that they did well in the red zone as well as the end of the game, when they didn't play as far off the line. It's awful when the other team doesn't need to punt until the 4th quarter. Up 'til now, Eli has the biggest yardage numbers of the week!

[QUOTE=Stacks42;225637]Its Brunell, he stinks! 109yds passing WTF? He is so inconsistent and no defense is afraid he is gonna air it out, cause he cant anymore. He probably should have had 2-3 picks, and just put up and ugly display, its going to be an ebarrasing work week.[/QUOTE]

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The coaching staff gets my vote. They simply didn't prepare the team and ready to win.

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and im with mike poor play calling on offense i believe was a very big GOAT.

And if u put this on brunnell your probably a moron becuase he never had more then 3 secs to throw the damn ball. SO DRUMROLL..................................................................
I BLAME THE O-LINE.
they didnt give Brunnel time to throw and where was the blocking for Mr. Portis, i mean wtf?

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Start Campbell, now!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;225589]The entire team and coaches. I'm not going to point any fingers at any individuals because I think we stunk across the board. You win as a team and lose as one, and today was definitely a team effort for that loss.[/QUOTE]



I agree!!!!

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Eli had all day, we couldn't do anything to him.

Props to Giants O-line + Tiki. From the first snap to the last it was won in the trenches. They we ready fresh off a bye week and it showed. Playing in NY is not fun and I'm glad we don't have to go back there until next year.

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The game plan was atrousious, the Giants secondary is horrible and we come out running the ball, and we don't only run the ball but we run it right at thier strength thier D-ends.

Obviously Moss and co. can't get open against that stellar Giant secondary.

The most disgusting part of that entire game was late in the third we had a third and 1 around the Giants 20 yard line and we deciede to throw it, no play action pass just another short pass to Cooley who I might add was double covered, but Brunell in his infinite fear of getting hit throws it to him anyway with no one around him, why would he make that throw? Because if he has to take the time to find another reciever that might give the D enough time to come free and hit him and we can't have that. Then the dumbest move of the day, we deciede to kick a fieldgoal, which would still leave us down by 2 scores, taking into account how poorly we have been playing I think the no brainer is to go for it there, unfortunatly we do not believe that a 52 million dollar back is capable of gaining 1 yard with 2 down's to go, let alone on 4th down. I can't remember the last time we ran for a first down on third down with more than a yard to go.

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[QUOTE=Redskin;225662]and im with mike poor play calling on offense i believe was a very big GOAT.

And if u put this on brunnell your probably a moron becuase he never had more then 3 secs to throw the damn ball. SO DRUMROLL..................................................................
I BLAME THE O-LINE.
they didnt give Brunnel time to throw and where was the blocking for Mr. Portis, i mean wtf?[/QUOTE]


Nonesense, Brunell had plenty of time to throw for most of the game, it wasen't till late when the Giants knew we had to pass that they started to pin thier ears back and pressure him, bottom line he can't squeeze the ball in downfield, the one deep ball he threw late looked like a punt he put so much air under it.

Now he didn't have the kind of time Manning had, but most QB's only dream of that kind of time to throw.

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I won't change my theory on the QB situation, in which I believe we need someone who isn't eligible for AARP anytime soon.

But in this case it was just bad across the board. The offense sucked, the defense sucked. It was just painful to watch.

And to all these people bitching that we need Springs so bad.. Superbowl.. Even playoff calibur teams do NOT anchor on just 1 person being out. If Portis is out or if Springs is out playoff teams make up for stuff like that. They come ready to play regardless if they are banged up and they bring it hard. Not play some effortless, piss poor football and run around like headless chickens that don't know squat.

If your team is relying on 1 or 2 superstar people to be there 16 games in and out, then thats not a good team and serious changes need to be made. If the Skins want to make it to the playoffs this year, they need to learn to step up where their is setbacks and the Skins haven't quite figured out how to do that, namely in the secondary. How many times did Rumph get beat today? I mean it was just plain ugly.

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The whole team was bad. Everyone. The line actually played ok for a good majority of the game.

W/ that being said, yea the qb steps up on championship caliber teams. Brunell can't step up and make plays consistently. Everyone shares blame in this one though.

How can a recieving corp of Moss, Randel el, LLoyd, Cooley not be open against one of the worst secondaries in the nfl? I don't get it.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;225586]Here are my goats of the week:

1. The offensive line, particularly Jon Jansen (who IMHO is overrated), could not give Brunell time.
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What's so aggravating is they looked spectacular against supposedly one of the best defenses and defensive lines in the league last week. Brunell had all day against the Jaguars and barely had a stain on his jersey at the end of the day.

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Maybe we just CANNOT win in NY. We usually never do.

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no one played well on the team, the whole team is the "goat"

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[quote=Mattyk72;225591]If I have to listen to Brunell bashing all week I think I'm going to puke. If you can honestly say that he was the main reason for that loss I'm sorry that's just a very ignorant view.[/quote]

Matty,

If the team has no inspiration who is going to light a fire under them? You could say coaches but these assholes collectively make 100 million plus per year, they should be accountable. The coaches can't make a big pass or escape the pocket after having 7 seconds or more. Who the hell else should we blame?

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It's good to see that the Brunell-haters vote as a block. A small but vocal minority.

Sorry. Misread the table. Only one Brunell-hater so far...

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;225857]Matty,

If the team has no inspiration who is going to light a fire under them? You could say coaches but these assholes collectively make 100 million plus per year, they should be accountable. The coaches can't make a big pass or escape the pocket after having 7 seconds or more. Who the hell else should we blame?[/quote]

I wish benching Brunell was the miracle cure, but it's not.

It's getting really old. Team loses, bash Brunell. Team wins, the haters are quiet, mostly.

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[quote=Mattyk72;225871]I wish benching Brunell was the miracle cure, but it's not.

It's getting really old. Team loses, bash Brunell. Team wins, the haters are quiet, mostly.[/quote]

I am not a Brunell hater but if I see his weaknesses exposed and we lose the game because of it, I am going to call a spade a spade.

You are right, benching him is not the answer. This is a question with many parts.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;225873]I am not a Brunell hater but if I see his weaknesses exposed and we lose the game because of it, I am going to call a spade a spade.[/quote]

So let's call out all the spades. The atrocious 3rd down D today. The big plays given up. No pressure on Manning. Shitty tackling. No run D. Shitty execution on offense. Missed FG by Hall, etc, etc.

Brunell is just one piece of what was a team wide problem today. He doesn't deserve to be singled out today.