What Is Wrong With The Offense?
 

I simply cannot understand how our offense looks so potent one week and so awful the next. It's not the quality of the opponents because we torched a great Jacksonville defense. It's not the location of the game, as the offense has looked good at home and away. I do not believe that Brunell is the main reason why our offense has looked inconsistent. True, Brunell has looked inconsistent, but so has the offensive line.

Thoughts?

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It was a dud of a day across the board, just like last year in the Meadowlands but the score wasn't quite as bad.

Every team has a day like this now and then, personally I'm not going to sit here wringing my hands all week wondering if the season is over.

We'll rebound.

I am concerned about the 'D' however, at least the offense has given us some flashes of brilliance, the 'D' has been consistently piss poor especially against the pass.

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Our offense and offensive play caller are still adjusting to each other. Don't forget that the Giants really had to win this game and had 2 weeks to prepare for us.

I think our best offense will come down the stretch, but the defense has to stop a few of the balls that just get thrown up as the QB is getting hit. How do they always seem to fall in the hands of open receivers? A turnover would be helpful now and then.

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Lloyd! J/k...

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This game, I'll blame it squarely on time of possession. In the second half, their O was on the field twice as long. I guess that's a circular answer, though, since if our O was clicking, we would have had the ball longer. Nonetheless, it seemed like that first 8 minute drive of the second half just destroyed us.

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What Is Wrong With The Offense?

[B]Al and Mark suffer from Alzheimer's[/B]

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I just read that we had 40 offensive snaps!!!! The defense couldn't get the offense on the field and when the offense did get on the field due to the Giants scoring it couldn't stay on the field.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;225912]I just read that we had 40 offensive snaps!!!! The defense couldn't get the offense on the field and when the offense did get on the field due to the Giants scoring it couldn't stay on the field.[/quote]

It really went hand in hand today. We couldn't stop them and we couldn't sustain anything.

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[quote=Mattyk72;225882]It was a dud of a day across the board, just like last year in the Meadowlands but the score wasn't quite as bad.

Every team has a day like this now and then, personally I'm not going to sit here wringing my hands all week wondering if the season is over.

We'll rebound.

I am concerned about the 'D' however, at least the offense has given us some flashes of brilliance, the 'D' has been consistently piss poor especially against the pass.[/quote]

Agree that the offense is going to have these sort of days. Their performance was compounded by the D's issues today.

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Hopefully we can rebound against the TIT-ans.

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I cant wait to play them here. we dont play well in the meadowlands for some reason. they were in a must win situation and had two weeks to prepare for us. the season is not over yet but i tell you what 0-2 in divison play is no good and dont sleep on vince young. scrambling qbs give our d problems.

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on offense we were predictable and the sweeps don't work as well against non-backup DEs. brunell saw pressure and sorta did a bit of the chicken little dance again. he wasn't skipping balls, but 109 yards isn't something to write home about.

but the defense. damn. bad to worse to worser :P couldn't cover, couln't blitz, couldn't get off the field. Vinny's gotta go. there's no excuse for the depth being that bad. no pressure, no run stopping, no coverage. can't excuse that.

if we can't stop eli, how can we stop peyton without springs? (hope we get lucky) 3-4 and a much needed bye coming up.

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I believe part of it is we have no ability to stretch the field. We haven't connected on a long pass all year. We've had some go for a long ways because of great WR moves, but nothing where they have to back out of the box and be weary of it.

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two words Mark Brunell i watch every team throw the ball down field but the skins it laughable

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I think the biggest problem with our offense, and team in general, is that we are a bunch of pussies. :(

wtf is going on when you can dominate a good team one week, and then totally take a shit the next week (against a lesser team)? I know our guys can do well -- they are just too pussy to do it every week. be professionals, you f'ing bastards and execute EVERY week. :doh:

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The defense couldn't get them on the field and the O line couldn't give Brunell enough time to make throws. If he sees anyone within about 5 yards of him he's throwing off his back foot or running out of the pocket to throw it away. That and it seems like he only ever makes 2 reads.

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Brunell doesn't scare any secondary, not even an inept Giants secondary that was close to league worst.

What does that tell anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together?

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The Skins only threw deep once the entire game. That is against a highly suspect secondary.

So to me, the question is why not?

Do the coaches know #8 can't be counted on to make those plays any more or does #8 simply not count on himself to make the deep throws?

In an offense that puts on the field at the same time:

Portis
Moss
Cooley
REL
Lloyd

I can't for the life of me understand how no one is getting a mismatch and getting open to make a play.

Our pass protection (which is more than just the OLine) may not be the class of the NFC, but it is good enough to give enough time to make a throw.

So yeah, I think the problems with the O during games 1,2,& 5 have something to do with the play at QB. Even during the record setting performance in HOU, we saw the same lack of push downfield.

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am i the only one that thought that portis ran the ball ok? if we dont trust brunell, why didnt we just load up on portis and run the f**king ball?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;226141]am i the only one that thought that portis ran the ball ok? if we dont trust brunell, why didnt we just load up on portis and run the f**king ball?[/QUOTE]

sucks to say, but Pierce. he'd always find a way through our offensive line and get at Portis before he could break any.

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Give the Giants credit they had 2 weeks to prepare for us and they got the job done. Its the curse of the meadowlands. They wanted it more. we really need Springs back so we can be more agressive on D. Maybe by some miracle he'll be back this week. The season isn't doomed yet but don't sleep on the Titans. They are a desperate team that hasn't won a game yet. It would be embarassing if we don't pull that one out. I truly believe if we play like we are capable we can go into indy and beat them and head into the bye week at 4-3 and have 2 weeks to prepare for Dallas. Schedule isn't easy so the skins gotta bring there A game every week.

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Growing pains, I guess. Still a new system, and we really haven't got all the flexibility that this offesne will give us down the road. That being said, MB did NOT look good, and the o-line got bullied all game long. QBs have to make some plays when you're having trouble, and for us especially, the o-line has to be physical. Still, my guess is that down the road, Saunders will have a good feel for what to do with this group of players when they are struggling. I don't think he has that confidence yet.

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Here's something to chew on (granted the numbers have changed since Sunday). And I know people will be saying "oh but that's 'cause Santana gets so many yards after the catch" To which I say, yeah but so what. Like Matty said a couple of weeks ago, it's not like Montana and Young were airing bombs to Jerry Rice. They were a lot of short to intermediary passes that put Rice in a position to be a playmaker and take off.

[url=http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=992]Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Home: 2006 passing yards per attempt[/url]

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When Eli hit 2 deep passes...I was asking myself....Why Can't we ever take shots like that...... The Skins are 10 times as talented as the Gimps.... What's the weak link... answer that question?

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[QUOTE=railcon56;226271]When Eli hit 2 deep passes...I was asking myself....Why Can't we ever take shots like that...... The Skins are 10 times as talented as the Gimps.... What's the weak link... answer that question?[/QUOTE]

well, Brunell tends to not throw long unless it's up against a sideline. think thats a fairly diplomatic way of stating that crummy fact.

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Did y'all see the news on John Hall? ESPN. com says his job in in jeopardy.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2618642]ESPN.com - NFL - Sources: Kicker Hall on thin ice with Redskins[/url]

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[quote=Daseal;226072]I believe part of it is we have no ability to stretch the field. We haven't connected on a long pass all year. We've had some go for a long ways because of great WR moves, but nothing where they have to back out of the box and be weary of it.[/quote]
Save you're type a few of us have been saying this for 2 years... but people are very satisfied with dinks and dunks... i know opposing defenses are...makes preparation alot easier...

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[quote=TAFKAS;226188]Here's something to chew on (granted the numbers have changed since Sunday). And I know people will be saying "oh but that's 'cause Santana gets so many yards after the catch" To which I say, yeah but so what. Like Matty said a couple of weeks ago, it's not like Montana and Young were airing bombs to Jerry Rice. They were a lot of short to intermediary passes that put Rice in a position to be a playmaker and take off.

[URL="http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=992"]Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Home: 2006 passing yards per attempt[/URL][/quote]
Yes alot were...but Montana could and would still throw it up.... Mc Nabb does it Eli... Peyton... Brady does hell even Jake does... Ya just have to take some shots down field ...Every commentator has been saying this too... Down Madden all u want.but he has forgotten more about football than we will ever know...

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Brunell is averaging more yards per attempt this year than either Peyton or Brady.

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Better yet, Brunell has three times as many losses this season as P. Manning and Brady combined.

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[quote=TAFKAS;226303]Brunell is averaging more yards per attempt this year than either Peyton or Brady.[/quote]
Cause he has the most explosive receiver in NFL History ...Mr Moss

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;225881]I simply cannot understand how our offense looks so potent one week and so awful the next. It's not the quality of the opponents because we torched a great Jacksonville defense. It's not the location of the game, as the offense has looked good at home and away. I do not believe that Brunell is the main reason why our offense has looked inconsistent. True, Brunell has looked inconsistent, but so has the offensive line.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

The Giants' offense controlled time of possession and score more times than not on offense (albeit mostly field goals.) Anytime a team's offense can keep the ball the majority of the time, and put up points on most of those possession, they're usually going to win. It takes the other team out of their gameplan.

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It's so refreshing to see someone admit that they need to go to outside sources when they're looking for someone with more than two brain cells. ;-)

[QUOTE=RedskinRat;226100]Brunell doesn't scare any secondary, not even an inept Giants secondary that was close to league worst.

What does that tell anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together?[/QUOTE]

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[quote=TAFKAS;226303]Brunell is averaging more yards per attempt this year than either Peyton or Brady.[/quote]

The difference is, Peyton was behind at the end of the game on Sunday, and marched down the field and threw the game winning touchdown. Tom Brady does the same thing all the time, with far worse receivers. Most quarterbacks would kill to have the weapons that Brunell has at his disposal, and yet, he can't manage more than 100 passing yards and three points.

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Let's see..
The Patriots have allowed 74 points, the Redskins 110.
And who's been on the Colts schedule?
@Giants (OK, not easy as we know)
Texans
Jaguars (21-14)
@Jets (31-28)
Titans (14-13)

Also interesting: the Pats have scored 108, we've scored 96, CP was (mostly) out for 2+ games (including some disappearance this week), and we're learning a new system.

As far as QB rating for the year,
P Manning: 95.6
Brunell: 90.1 (10th in the league)
Brady: 82.6

[QUOTE=Twilbert07;226308]Better yet, Brunell has three times as many losses this season as P. Manning and Brady combined.[/QUOTE]

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Control the ball? Hell, they didn't punt until the 4th quarter.

[QUOTE=skinsguy;226438]The Giants' offense controlled time of possession and score more times than not on offense (albeit mostly field goals.) Anytime a team's offense can keep the ball the majority of the time, and put up points on most of those possession, they're usually going to win. It takes the other team out of their gameplan.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=mike340;226667]Let's see..
The Patriots have allowed 74 points, the Redskins 110.
And who's been on the Colts schedule?
@Giants (OK, not easy as we know)
Texans
Jaguars (21-14)
@Jets (31-28)
Titans (14-13)

Also interesting: the Pats have scored 108, we've scored 96, CP was (mostly) out for 2+ games (including some disappearance this week), and we're learning a new system.

As far as QB rating for the year,
P Manning: 95.6
Brunell: 90.1 (10th in the league)
Brady: 82.6[/quote]

I guess you're missing my point. Here's some numbers.

Come from behind victories(after being down in the 4th quarter)

Peyton Manning - 26
Tom Brady - 21
Mark Brunell - 18

Mark Brunell has been in the league for five seasons more than Manning, and seven more than Brady. And to top it off, Brunell is statistically the [B]worst [/B]quarterback in the league at fourth quarter comebacks since 1996.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/print/3978/]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2005[/url]

Basically, if Washington is down in the fourth quarter, they'll lose 75% of the time with Brunell running the show. And his rating is a bit skewed from the Texans and Jags games. His rating for the three losses were 76.9, 59.8, and 68.2. So keep defending his horribly inconsistent performance. It must be because the hundred million dollar trio of receivers isn't getting open. Or maybe when Portis isn't having an all pro day, Brunell forgets how to stand in the pocket and complete a pass. Either way, Washington is staring 6-10 in the face if the quarterback play doesn't become more consistent.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;226686]Either way, Washington is staring 6-10 in the face if the quarterback play doesn't become more consistent.[/QUOTE]

i think Brunell is excruciatingly consistent. consistently conservative.

REMEMBER DALLAS LAST SEASON MARK. there's a time to open it up, and YES, it can be between the hashes especially in the 4th and you're behind.

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Our defense is whats wrong with our offense. The giants closed the half with about a 4 minute drive, then opened the second half with about an 8+ minute drive. When our offense finally got the ball in the second half they moved it into field goal range where Hall promptly missed a 42 yarder.........ballgame! So to answer the question..........our defense can't get off the freakin field. And don't tell me about, they only gave up 1 td all day......give me a break. Oh that, and if Mark Brunell gets any pressure he crumbles into the fetal position.

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[quote=skinnyfan;226703]Our defense is whats wrong with our offense.... our defense can't get off the freakin field.... that, and if Mark Brunell gets any pressure he crumbles into the fetal position.[/quote]

that's pretty much it. the playcalling didn't seem to work with the matchups (or it was just too predictable) as well.