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I hate to say it, but Joe is becoming to concervative. In his first go around he was a risk taker. Now he plays not loose. I could not believe it when they did not go for it on forth down, I watched them pass on third and one and said to myself, I guess Joe figured that he was in four down territory and was going to run on forth down. I was shocked when they kicked a field goal. This showed no confidence in our offense and at 16 to 3made no real sense. If they had scored a touch down the momentum would have been completely turned around. We need to play to win. Come on Joe, remember those fake punts, remember those forth and ones(John Riggins, superbowl). Joe was an offensive powerhouse the first time around.

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I thnk there's already a "coaching rant" thread....

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I'm not going to comment on the topic, as I know it is going to bring an onslaught of harsh posts. Be prepared my friend.

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[quote=chris36;226153]I hate to say it, but Joe is becoming to concervative. In his first go around he was a risk taker. Now he plays not loose. I could not believe it when they did not go for it on forth down, I watched them pass on third and one and said to myself, I guess Joe figured that he was in four down territory and was going to run on forth down. I was shocked when they kicked a field goal. This showed no confidence in our offense and at 16 to 3made no real sense. If they had scored a touch down the momentum would have been completely turned around. We need to play to win. Come on Joe, remember those fake punts, remember those forth and ones(John Riggins, superbowl). Joe was an offensive powerhouse the first time around.[/quote]

At the time, I wanted to see them go for it.

But as a coach you have to consider a few things.

1) Can you kicker make that

A: Yes, the fact that he missed is awful, but hindsight is always 20-20. Hall is a very good kicker and I would think of that as an automatic 3. Scoring some points may have given the redskins some much needed momentum, and could have potentially changed the game

2) Can you convert the 4 and 1?

A: I'd say it was 50-50. The Giants had been winning the trench fight all game long and they had confidence. Playing in their home stadium with there crowd behind them, It would have been a very very tough yard to gain. CP is more outside of an outside the tackles runner, and outside the tackles is where there strength is.

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I'll comment. not toughing out that 4th and 1 in a tough divisional away game when you're behind sent a direct message to the offense that they weren't believed in. and they played accordingly after that.

huge missed opportunity. and i think Gibbs's first real apparent mistake this season. regardless if the FG was made or not.

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Hey, I did not care if we made the field goal or not. It seemed to me that the three points were not going to help us. That is my point. It was not like we were behind by ten or for that matter 17. We did not need a field goal at the time.

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Who's Mary? Is that Mary's wife?

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[quote=724Skinsfan;226167]Who's Mary? Is that Mary's wife?[/quote]

you mean marty's wife

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i don't know what
[B][U]MARY[/U][/B] shottenhiemer is like but i think she is nothing lke gibbs

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I'm sorry chris but I would hate to have you as a coach. At the time Hall missed that FG there was still 1:14 left in the 3rd quarter. It was only a 42 yarder and would have brought us within 10. TAKE THE POINTS every time when you are in that situation. If Hall makes that we only need a TD and another FG to tie. If you go for it and dont get it then you would still need 2 TDs to win, not to mention you now have nothing to show fora very productive drive. You cant honestly say it was a bad coaching desicion, can you?

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hahaha, i totally missed Mary Shotte[B]m[/B]hiemer

i guess i was being to concervative....

*sigh...

god save us all

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matty i think, due to the comical lack of effort in posting,

its safe to close this thread...

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[quote=gibbsisgod;226172]I'm sorry chris but I would hate to have you as a coach. At the time Hall missed that FG there was still 1:14 left in the 3rd quarter. It was only a 42 yarder and would have brought us within 10. TAKE THE POINTS every time when you are in that situation. If Hall makes that we only need a TD and another FG to tie. If you go for it and dont get it then you would still need 2 TDs to win, not to mention you now have nothing to show fora very productive drive. You cant honestly say it was a bad coaching desicion, can you?[/quote]


can i rent your space?

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Its not bad coaching, I just think it was to conservative. I think he has gotten more conservative that he was in the past. I do not think we were out coached, by any means. I just did not like that particular decision. I think that our secondary is in real trouble, talent wise. We need Springs back, just to be average. We also need better linebacking.

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Man it's going to be a long week

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[quote=dall-assblows;226178]can i rent your space?[/quote] you have to do something for me first :FIREdevil . What say you?

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[quote=gibbsisgod;226190]you have to do something for me first :FIREdevil . What say you?[/quote]

sell you my soul

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[quote=dall-assblows;226192]sell you my soul[/quote]you gotta do better than that

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how bout 20,000 pencils or chickens

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[quote=dall-assblows;226195]how bout 20,000 pencils or chickens[/quote]Throw in one of those pickled sausages and its yours! That is of course if you pass my background check and pre signature urinalysis(sp?) Do you have references?

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[quote=dall-assblows;226170]you mean marty's wife[/quote]

:lol:
I should have proof-read my own comment. [I]Just another Manic Monday. I wish it were Sunday[/I] (before 1:00pm).

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Throwing a pass on third and one yard was dumb. Not going for it on fourth down was dumber. Dumb and Dumber.

Here is why I would have tried to run it twice in that situation. First of all, your defense had not stopped the Giants from driving all day, its a shootout. If your offensive line cannot produce one yard in two tries, you deserve to lose. You have one of the best backs in football, use him. What happened to the short yardage back (T. J. Duckett) that you gave away next year's third round pick for? Most coaches would have went for it in that situation.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;226172]I'm sorry chris but I would hate to have you as a coach. At the time Hall missed that FG there was still 1:14 left in the 3rd quarter. It was only a 42 yarder and would have brought us within 10. TAKE THE POINTS every time when you are in that situation. If Hall makes that we only need a TD and another FG to tie. If you go for it and dont get it then you would still need 2 TDs to win, not to mention you now have nothing to show fora very productive drive. You cant honestly say it was a bad coaching desicion, can you?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobH4413]1) Can your kicker make that?

A: Yes, the fact that he missed is awful, but hindsight is always 20-20. Hall is a very good kicker and I would think of that as an automatic 3. Scoring some points may have given the redskins some much needed momentum, and could have potentially changed the game[/QUOTE]

Yes, it was a bad coaching decision, and if Hall makes it, it's still a two-score game in a contest where your offense is struggling anyway. It's not as simple as "TAKE THE POINTS" anymore with John Hall. 42 yards for him is not automatic like it was 5 years ago. You have nothing to show for a productive drive when you miss a field goal too. One yard was all they needed -- [U]one stinking yard[/U].

Outside runner or not, Clinton Portis is supposed to get you one yard when you need it. Even if you think Portis isn't the right guy for 4th and 1, then why did they bring in T.J. Duckett?

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;226226]Throwing a pass on third and one yard was dumb. Not going for it on fourth down was dumber. Dumb and Dumber.

Here is why I would have tried to run it twice in that situation. First of all, your defense had not stopped the Giants from driving all day, its a shootout. If your offensive line cannot produce one yard in two tries, you deserve to lose. You have one of the best backs in football, use him. What happened to the short yardage back (T. J. Duckett) that you gave away next year's third round pick for? Most coaches would have went for it in that situation.[/quote]

Agreed, I was driving in my car back from NC and I started cursing, what the hell are we doing, Portis can get ONE yard. Going for the FG was pointless too. Okay so if Hall makes it (definitely not a chip shot for him) we're down 6-17 with a full quarter to play. The Giants had just had an 8 minute drive that led to a touchdown, and were quite capable of putting together another 5+ minute drive and at least getting a FG, leaving us down at the MINIMUM two more scores with not a whole lot of time left in the game. The coahes made a terrible call, and we paid the price for it, simple as that.

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[quote=bigmarley4;226246]Agreed, I was driving in my car back from NC and I started cursing, what the hell are we doing, Portis can get ONE yard. Going for the FG was pointless too. Okay so if Hall makes it (definitely not a chip shot for him) we're down 6-17 with a full quarter to play. The Giants had just had an 8 minute drive that led to a touchdown, and were quite capable of putting together another 5+ minute drive and at least getting a FG, leaving us down at the MINIMUM two more scores with not a whole lot of time left in the game. The coahes made a terrible call, and we paid the price for it, simple as that.[/quote]

Sorry, made a mistake with the score, would have been 6-16, my bad...

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[QUOTE=bigmarley4;226246]Agreed, I was driving in my car back from NC and I started cursing, what the hell are we doing, Portis can get ONE yard. Going for the FG was pointless too. Okay so if Hall makes it (definitely not a chip shot for him) we're down 6-17 with a full quarter to play. The Giants had just had an 8 minute drive that led to a touchdown, and were quite capable of putting together another 5+ minute drive and at least getting a FG, leaving us down at the MINIMUM two more scores with not a whole lot of time left in the game. The coahes made a terrible call, and we paid the price for it, simple as that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't see how anyone can say the decision to kick was the right one unless your kicker is Mark Mosely or Chip Lohmiller in 1991.

Converting the 4th and 1 could have been the spark we needed, but ... we'll never know that now.

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i believe that if we had gone for it we wood have made it and the outcome wood have been different i love JG just a momentum thing it was swinging our was and that one dicision squelched it u know?

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Thats exactly what I am saying!!!!! Be bold. Make a statement and try to win the game.

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Lets be fair to Joe Gibbs, please. If nothing else, Joe brought Washington 3 trophies to Marty's nil. He deserves that much respect at the very least.

Without question, Joe Gibbs should be calling the plays for the Redskins offense. His play calling got the Redskins to the playoffs last year. For whatever reason, they're trying to fix what wasn't remotely broken. It worked, beat our division foes & defenses that were supposedly stronger than our offense.

The conservative nature of the play calling that has been somewhat of a staple this season is kind of alarming seeing's how the Skins have nothing but ugly opponents in the coming weeks. Al Saunders, while good for Kansas City, isn't showing me jack as far as the Skins are concerned. It's 700 pages of crap, honestly. Sure, last week's walk off touchdown to Santana was thrilling, but that is not Joe Gibbs football.

Joe Gibbs football is smashmouth, jam the ball down the lineman's throat football. At some point, we'll see Clinton leave cleat-marks on someone's back. Hope it's next week.

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[QUOTE=yoadrienne71;226280]Lets be fair to Joe Gibbs, please. If nothing else, Joe brought Washington 3 trophies to Marty's nil. He deserves that much respect at the very least.

Without question, Joe Gibbs should be calling the plays for the Redskins offense. His play calling got the Redskins to the playoffs last year. For whatever reason, they're trying to fix what wasn't remotely broken. It worked, beat our division foes & defenses that were supposedly stronger than our offense.

The conservative nature of the play calling that has been somewhat of a staple this season is kind of alarming seeing's how the Skins have nothing but ugly opponents in the coming weeks. Al Saunders, while good for Kansas City, isn't showing me jack as far as the Skins are concerned. It's 700 pages of crap, honestly. Sure, last week's walk off touchdown to Santana was thrilling, but that is not Joe Gibbs football.

Joe Gibbs football is smashmouth, jam the ball down the lineman's throat football. At some point, we'll see Clinton leave cleat-marks on someone's back. Hope it's next week.[/QUOTE]

A "walk off touchdown" ???

Oh God...

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[quote=Mattyk72;226181]Man it's going to be a long week[/quote]
You got that right Brother!!!:(

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[quote=gibbsisgod;226202]Throw in one of those pickled sausages and its yours! That is of course if you pass my background check and pre signature urinalysis(sp?) Do you have references?[/quote]

i'll throw in 2 pickled sausages! sure, yea whatever i have to do, where do i sign?

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[quote=dall-assblows;226312]i'll throw in 2 pickled sausages! sure, yea whatever i have to do, where do i sign?[/quote]
what do you want it to say?

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being bold wouldn't have mattered. the team never got off the bus.

endless new posters showing up after a loss to post about how XXXX sucks - priceless :(.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;226316]being bold wouldn't have mattered. the team never got off the bus.

endless new posters showing up after a loss to post about how XXXX sucks - priceless :(.[/QUOTE]

priceless, worthless. Same difference I suppose

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[quote=railcon56;226301]You got that right Brother!!!:([/quote]

are you really hulkamania?

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[quote=gibbsisgod;226313]what do you want it to say?[/quote]

dall-assblows is the coolest person ever!

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I cannot tell a lie

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[quote=gibbsisgod;226333]I cannot tell a lie[/quote]

oh its no lie, believe me!

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[quote=gibbsisgod;226172]I'm sorry chris but I would hate to have you as a coach. At the time Hall missed that FG there was still 1:14 left in the 3rd quarter. It was only a 42 yarder and would have brought us within 10. TAKE THE POINTS every time when you are in that situation. If Hall makes that we only need a TD and another FG to tie. If you go for it and dont get it then you would still need 2 TDs to win, not to mention you now have nothing to show fora very productive drive. You cant honestly say it was a bad coaching desicion, can you?[/quote]

I think the decision to pass on 3rd and 1 was worse than the decision to kick the field goal on 4th down. CP was averaging 4 yards a carry, you have Sellers, good blocking TE's and an offensive line that should have been able to get you that yard. Sometimes even the obvious play is the right call, all they had to do is execute it properly. Much better odds on 3rd and 1 than the pass play. Even if you lose two or three because the Giants make a good play, you still have a makeable field goal. Or maybe you get to 4th and inches and a quarterback sneak is all you need. Bad call on 3rd down.