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Hey, in response to some of the more prominent posters, I have made many posts on Redskins.com, but after I tried to post the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/14854-whats-wrong-our-front-office-barber.html"][B]WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.[/B][/URL] and [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/14883-joe-gibbs-becoming-like-mary-schottemhiemer.html"][B]Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer[/B][/URL] post, I was banned. So, I started posting here. I love Joe Gibbs, but that was not Joe Gibbs football. If it is 3rd and one, and your passing, you better be running on 4th and one. The first coming of Joe Gibbs was a vertical passing game and a smsh mouth running game. He would fake punts to Brian Mitchell, in Redskins territory. The only thing they did not do was this dink and dunk passing game, because Gibbs was not patient enough for it. That is how Parcells would beat us, in the past. He would sit in the cover two defense and wait for us to get impatient and through an interception. Now, we are happy with it. I would just like for him to go and look at the past and take a couple more chances. I don't know anything about football, because I thought we would never lose agian, after we got our free agents. I am worried that I am not the only one. I love Dan Syder, because he has done everything he can to bring us a winner, it just never seems to work out. Many teams never even try to win. So with that said, I am pissed off.

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But what really is Joe Gibbs football? I mean as the Offensive Coordinator in San Diego he was heavy on the aerial attack, utilizing the strength of his QB Dan Fouts. Then with the Hogs, he went with a smash mouth ground attack. Now, with speedy receivers he has a pseudo-Walsh West Coast attack

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[quote=chris36;226413] I don't know anything about football [/quote]

Which is why you should just trust the coaches, because they know a lot about football.

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[QUOTE=mooby;226418]Which is why you should just trust the coaches, because they know a lot about football.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! I'll admit I was questioning not going for it on 4th and 1 in the third quarter, but it just wasn't our day to win.

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Fuck that, everyday is our day to win! No more damn excuses. Just shout up and win and win in your division! Execute on offense and defense!

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Yeah, Damm Straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=mooby;226418]Which is why you should just trust the coaches, because they know a lot about football.[/quote]
I disagree, all coaches make mistakes even HOF'ers like Gibbs and Walsh. Then you have 'tard Coaches like Spurrier and Erickson. I try and judge each move and call they make for myself.

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Sure they make mistakes, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't trust them. And they definitely do know alot more than we do about football, even Spurrier and Erickson.

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If you blindly trusted coaches, Monday morning would be boring. Much like this site with a bunch of Mattys =p

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I'm not blindly putting my faith in Gibbs, thinking he's automatically gonna bring us to the promised land. If the playoffs started today, we'd be out of them. I just have enough trust in him to turn this ship around as he's done in the past.

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[quote=4mrusmc;226481]Fuck that, everyday is our day to win! No more damn excuses. Just shout up and win and win in your division! Execute on offense and defense![/quote]
No more excuses is Right we have the talent...so whats the problem? I know it's Injuries huh???.... They are a part of this War Game called Football.

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[quote=railcon56;226576]No more excuses is Right we have the talent...so whats the problem? I know it's Injuries huh???.... They are a part of this War Game called Football.[/quote]

So what's the problem? Since you used a war game analogy then it may be as simple as referring to the three intangible variables of a battle ... Weather, Terrain, and Luck. The Skins simply lost out on two of the three variables. It is not a new story for the Giants v Redskins rivalry.

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tough to trust the guys that brought in brunell's dead arm, trust halls dead leg, and drafted rogers (who can't catch or cover...), and let pierce go. I admit to being harsh, as I am a huge supporter of Gibbsy, but come on! THe entire NFL knows these three truths, why don't we? where is the vaunted greg williams (don't question me, bc i'm a genius) defense? (enron anybody?).

(i understand rogers is the only option, but brunell and hall could have, and should have been replaced).

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win mf win!!!

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Disclaimer: The statement I'm about to make makes no sense from a salary cap standpoint, and would have been a bad move for the team overall because of salary cap complications.

But wouldn't it be nice to have Drew Brees instead of Mark Brunell right now?

Brunell is not the main problem with the team now - the big problems are coverage, pass rush, and consistency with the offensive line. But he's also not a QB who can bail us out when the rest of the team plays lousy. Wouldn't it be nice to have a QB who can pull a game out of thin air once in a while?

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yes, yes it would.

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I would agree, even i cannot fully blame brunell for our recent loss...but aren't we paying him "pull a win out of thin air" type coin?

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[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;226619]I would agree, even i cannot fully blame brunell for our recent loss...but aren't we paying him "pull a win out of thin air" type coin?[/QUOTE]

The redskins are paying everybody that kind of coin and thats the problem. Skins players get paid before playing instead of playing before getting paid.

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one of these days brunell will " make a play" well, maybe

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[quote=dmek25;226644]one of these days brunell will " make a play" well, maybe[/quote]

What about the OT throw to win the game against Jax?

He went down the field into coverage and took the chance that we all wish he would do more often.

I'd say that was making a play.

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[quote=Mattyk72;226645]What about the OT throw to win the game against Jax?

He went down the field into coverage and took the chance that we all wish he would do more often.

I'd say that was making a play.[/quote]

That was a good throw, but it was Moss on that one more than it was Brunell. That throw got there with good zip, which was nice to see. It got there before Deon Grant could close. The throw was high, in a spot only Moss could get it.

But it was only a 15 yard throw. From there, Moss did the rest, slithering away from Grant and taking it all the way.

Last time Brunell really did something to pull a game out of thin air was against Dallas last year in Week 2. Moss got deep, and Brunell made two tremendous deep throws.

Brunell always has a special place in my heart for that game. And I think he can do it again. But I like Drew Brees' chances to pull off heroics like that a lot better. (PS Disclaimer still stands, that move would have made no salary cap sense.)

Brunell is solid and is not the reason that the team had problems against the Giants. I guess I'm just daydreaming about what it would be like to have Tom Brady or Drew Brees. But that's pointless and I need to snap out of it. We're better off trying to solve problems elsewhere rather than worrying about the QB. Brunell is the best option we've got right now, all we can do is sink or swim with him.

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really Matty, i guess i mean more. don't play it so safe that our defense has to hold the opponent to 14 points or less

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Instead of Drew Brees, I'm curious to see what Campbell has in regular season games before going out and signing a QB. I personally feel Brunell doesn't have the type of arm that can beat you down field, which means everyone is playing a cover 2 shallow vs us. It comes to if we can block the 4 guys rushing and find underneath stuff. The problem with this, is even when the line does hold, there's little open, and Brunell doesn't have to zip to go over top of the defense. This is a liability to us, previously it wasn't up to our offense to win games, but now it is. Our defense is struggling and they need our offense to put up points to make their job easier. The second we make a team one dimensional, the closer that is to a big W.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226645]What about the OT throw to win the game against Jax?

He went down the field into coverage and took the chance that we all wish he would do more often.

I'd say that was making a play.[/QUOTE]

That pass was also, predictably, to the sideline. where Jax defenders knew Brunell throws and were in two positions to make the INT. you heard Gibbs say that wasn't the ideal place to throw the ball (makes you wonder why they even ran the route then)

Moss attacked that ball and slipped out of double coverage, HE was the playmaker on that play.

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[quote=dmek25;226644]one of these days brunell will " make a play" well, maybe[/quote]

Or there was the comeback win in Dallas last year. I'd say that was making a play or two.

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[quote=illdefined;226714]That pass was also, predictably, to the sideline. where Jax defenders knew Brunell throws and were in two positions to make the INT. you heard Gibbs say that wasn't the ideal place to throw the ball (makes you wonder why they even ran the route then)

Moss attacked that ball and slipped out of double coverage, HE was the playmaker on that play.[/quote]

C'mon I know it's hard but you have to at least give the guy some credit for having the sack to make that throw. Yes Moss made the play, but Brunell made a ballsy throw. Moss gets the majority of the credit there, but I tip my hat to Brunell. I wish he took more chances like that.

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Just a general comment here, there seems to be this misguided notion that throwing deep beats a cover 2.

That's not true.

To beat the cover 2 you need attack the gap between the safeties in the middle of the field.

Hitting the vulnerable open spots in the zone will break a team out of this coverage.

Simply trying to go deep is playing right into the strength of this coverage.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;226719]Or there was the comeback win in Dallas last year. I'd say that was making a play or two.[/quote]

Apparently, those five minutes of football solidified him as the starter for the rest of his career, no matter how inconsistent he plays. How many sub par performances does he get for one miracle comeback in two and a half seasons?

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[quote=Southpaw;226722]Apparently, those five minutes of football solidified him as the starter for the rest of his career, no matter how inconsistent he plays. How many sub par performances does he get for one miracle comeback in two and a half seasons?[/quote]

Somehow we managed to get to the playoffs for the first time since 1999. He must have done something right along the way.

It's worth noting that as a [b]team[/b] we have been wildy inconsistent... but I'm sure that is somehow all his fault.

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[quote=Mattyk72;226723]It's worth noting that as a [B]team[/B] we have been wildy inconsistent... but I'm sure that is somehow all his fault.[/quote]

Of course the defensive problems aren't his fault, but putting up three points(six if Hall makes the field goal) basically means the defense has to play lights out in order to win the game. So yes, the team has been inconsistent as a whole, but his performance (100 passing yards...) is almost entirely his fault.

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[quote=Southpaw;226729]Of course the defensive problems aren't his fault, but putting up three points(six if Hall makes the field goal) basically means the defense has to play lights out in order to win the game. So yes, the team has been inconsistent as a whole, but his performance (100 passing yards...) is almost entirely his fault.[/quote]

Everything goes hand in hand.

Maybe if the 'D' could have gotten off the field a few more times, the offense could have gotten something going. They didn't have to play lights out, just get off the damn field once in a while.

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Matty, according to NFL radio ex-players, coaches, and personel people say what Dallas and the Giants did agaisnt us was to play a Cover 2 shallow scheme. Basically play us close to the line, lots of people in the way of the short pass, which opens up the deep pass a bit more. Granted, you'd like to have man coverage all the time, but rarely are you that lucky.

When Spurrier was here you were constantly harping on the offense, the second Gibbs took the reigns you expected the defense to win us the game. Even when the defense played well but collapsed on the last drive of the game after being on the field most of the game due to a complete and udder inept offense. While our defense takes a huge share in this blame, it's also the offenses job to give them a rest. When it gets late in a game and the defense sees our O go 3 and out before they have time to catch their breath, it makes playing lights out hard.

Our offense needs to find something, and soon. Personally I'd love to see Brandon Lloyd well.. do anything. It doesn't seem like they toss the ball his way too often. He has some playmaking ability. I'm not a fan of Brunell, I've never hidden that. Last week, there were some real problems with protection at times, and we know Brunell folds like a lawn chair under pressure. So that was to be expected. However, some of his worst plays came when he expected there to be pressure when he had time. Woody Paige made a good point on Cold Pizza today as it related to Drew Bledsoe. Parcells came out, blamed the offensive line for not giving protection. Woody said we all knew what this Cowboy's line was when they came into the year, you're asking a unit who isn't a great squad to block for a QB that needs time in the pocket to play well, then blame the line that you know would struggle coming in? Maybe if Tony Romo was in, a player who can avoid pressure and take some blame off of the offensive line came in, he would be able to do much more. It's tough for me to put all the blame on the offensive line when Brunell won't stand in the pocket and deliver the ball.

I think Brunell's adequate to "win" with the defense we had. He's not serviceable to win without a defense. He's not a gunslinger. He's an extremely conservative game manager. Sometimes a few more turnovers are worth the bonus of extra points.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226720]C'mon I know it's hard but you have to at least give the guy some credit for having the sack to make that throw. Yes Moss made the play, but Brunell made a ballsy throw. Moss gets the majority of the credit there, but I tip my hat to Brunell. I wish he took more chances like that.[/QUOTE]

i do give him credit. I give him credit for throwing it to Moss past the line of schrimmage, and i give him credit for throwing it over the first defender.

i of course also wish he took more chances, but not necessarily just like that. there's a whole middle of the field he could throw to as well (Dallas, Dallas) that the very common Cover-2 isn't totally geared to stop like his sideline throws.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226721]
To beat the cover 2 you need attack the gap between the safeties in the middle of the field.
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oop, you just said it yourself. and that's where Brunell statistically throws the least than any other QB.

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I don't expect either side of the ball to win us the game, I expect both sides to play well and contribute. Against the Giants both sides of the ball let us down. I see the need to point fingers at individuals when as a team we played so poorly.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226731]Everything goes hand in hand.

Maybe if the 'D' could have gotten off the field a few more times, the offense could have gotten something going. They didn't have to play lights out, just get off the damn field once in a while.[/QUOTE]

you're right but the defense lost two key personnel, and is starting with a bunch of struggling new guys. we all knew that coming in.

what's the offense's excuse?

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[quote=illdefined;226741]oop, you just said it yourself. and that's where Brunell statistically throws the least than any other QB.[/quote]

There are also natural holes in the coverage outside of the hashes.

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[quote=illdefined;226744]you're right but the defense lost two key personnel, and is starting with a bunch of struggling new guys. we all knew that coming in.

what's the offense's excuse?[/quote]

There is no excuse. They played like crap. But it's not like Brunell was the only one stinking up the joint.

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I agree with Matty here. It's hard to argue that the whole team was flat as cna be on Sunday.

That being said, Brunnell is not the kind of QB to win you games on his own (though he did it gainst Dallas last year). And that's not his role here. The coaches know what they have, and I think they schemed very well for Brunnell against Jax. You coach to your players--that how it's done. I think Campbell will ultimately give them lots more options in the passing game (and I'm sure Gibbs thinks so too--that's why he traded up for him). But right now everything is geared towards making it work with MB. Changing now would be a big deal, and most likely unhelpful in the short-term. If we see a game where everyone else is kicking butt and MB is woeful (and we did in 2004), then things change. But that's not what happened on Sunday in NY, IMO.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226747]There is no excuse. They played like crap. But it's not like Brunell was the only one stinking up the joint.[/QUOTE]

yeah the O-Line obviously struggled. but we were up against a rested Umenyiora and Strahan, we also knew that coming in. when a part of the team is struggling, another has to come up and make some PLAYS, even if they are risky. Brunell clearly can't do that anymore, and honestly didn't even try.

if Brunell doesn't try, that means Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, and Cooley can't either. result: LOSS

- EDIT: ok, he TRIED to escape the sacks (like he used to be able to do) but he didn't try enough passes downfield regardless of risk towards the end of the game.