Run the damn football!
 

Why did Portis only have 14 carries yesterday?

Why did Betts only have 2 carries?

We have a 254 pound hammer on the bench in Duckett... where is he??

This [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/15/AR2006101501094.html"]article by Thomas Boswell[/URL] sums things up perfectly on offense. We need to say the hell with these cutesy reverses and end arounds, and get back to playing smashmouth football. This is what this offense is built for and it plays right to our strength. I think Gibbs needs to tell Saunders to put together a back to basics game plan from here on out and let's scrap the majority of his infamous 700 page playbook.

If we want to win folks, we have to run. It's very simple. Control the clock, dominate the opponent, and keep our seriously hurting 'D' off the field as much as possible.

Let's get back to Redskins football!

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That would be nice. i only assumed Portis would of ran at least 25 times against a rush D like ours

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The thing is, Saunders probably isn't an 1/8 deep into his playbook yet...the offense hasn't shown they can handle it, and has had to do more max protection to keep the defenses off Brunell's ass.

Running the football has been the cornerstone of the Skins offense. It's time to start running the ball, even if coming from behind.

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The Colts are ripe for the picking if we just pound the ball down their freaking throats. We're a team right now that is perfectly built for playing smashmouth. We have a physical OL and very nice depth at RB. So what's the problem?

RUN THE DAMN FOOTBALL!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229335]The Colts are ripe for the picking if we just pound the ball down their freaking throats. We're a team right now that is perfectly built for playing smashmouth. We have a physical OL and very nice depth at RB. So what's the problem?

RUN THE DAMN FOOTBALL![/QUOTE]

I kind of agree with you. However, let's say they can run the football on the Colts. I assume they can. The big problem is gonna be that they can't cover Harrison and Wayne OR stop Rhodes and Addai. So, then you have to go to the pass at some point. Where are they then?

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we were running the ball. it was just the WRs who were doing it.

Saunders tried to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers by bypassing the whole 'throwing the ball' thing.

the middle of the field between safeties doesn't exist to our offense and defenses can just safely compress 8-men in the box, with the safeties covering the sidelines, even Moss, ARE, and Portis can't break through.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229327]Why did Portis only have 14 carries yesterday?

Why did Betts only have 2 carries?

We have a 254 pound hammer on the bench in Duckett... where is he??

This [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/15/AR2006101501094.html"]article by Thomas Boswell[/URL] sums things up perfectly on offense. We need to say the hell with these cutesy reverses and end arounds, and get back to playing smashmouth football. This is what this offense is built for and it plays right to our strength. I think Gibbs needs to tell Saunders to put together a back to basics game plan from here on out and let's scrap the majority of his infamous 700 page playbook.

If we want to win folks, we have to run. It's very simple. Control the clock, dominate the opponent, and keep our seriously hurting 'D' off the field as much as possible.

Let's get back to Redskins football![/QUOTE]


Ask Al Saunders.

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[quote=irish;229342]Ask Al Saunders.[/quote]

I'd love to, and I'd imagine the entire offensive line and running backs are wondering the same thing.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229343]I'd love to, and I'd imagine the entire offensive line and running backs are wondering the same thing.[/QUOTE

Why dont they say something to him during the game?

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I definately agree that we need to run the ball more, but I think that is going to be hard to do when defenses don't respect your deep ball (because you have none) and your plating from behind because your defense can't stop anyone.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;229346]I definately agree that we need to run the ball more, but I think that is going to be hard to do when defenses don't respect your deep ball (because you have none) and your plating from behind because your defense can't stop anyone.[/quote]

I really don't believe that. We ran the ball down people's throats last year and they knew exactly what was coming. Teams like the Steelers have the same approach, they run the ball and they don't care if their opponent knows what's coming. It's all about commiting to that style of play and dominating your opponent at the line of scrimmage, which is something we've shown we can do. Right now we're not commited to anything.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229352]I really don't believe that. We ran the ball down people's throats last year and they knew exactly what was coming. Teams like the Steelers have the same approach, they run the ball and they don't care if their opponent knows what's coming. It's all about commiting to that style of play and dominating your opponent at the line of scrimmage, which is something we've shown we can do. Right now we're not commited to anything.[/QUOTE]

Good point. But our defense kept us in games last year. I can't see our defense containing Manning & Co. next week and keeping us from playing from behind. I see us abandoning the run by the middle of the 3rd quarter next week. Of course, I pray that I am wrong.

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We should have pounded it. No doubt. I was yelling that the whole time.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229352]I really don't believe that. We ran the ball down people's throats last year and they knew exactly what was coming. Teams like the Steelers have the same approach, they run the ball and they don't care if their opponent knows what's coming. It's all about commiting to that style of play and dominating your opponent at the line of scrimmage, which is something we've shown we can do. Right now we're not commited to anything.[/QUOTE]

The steelers really are a running team while the Redskins only think they are. The Steelers dont reinvent themselves every year so they continue to refine what they do best (run) while it was run with Marty, pitch & catch with OBC, and now nobody is sure what it is with Gibbs & Co. The only way the Redskins will improve is when they figure out how to not rebuild & retool every offseason.

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Well all I know is our current offensive approach is not working. It's time to try something different and get back to basics. What do we have to lose?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229358]Well all I know is our current offensive approach is not working. It's time to try something different and get back to basics. What do we have to lose?[/QUOTE]

We definately need to get back to the running game. I was just saying that our defense is so bad right now that it might be taken away from us by our opponents.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229352]I really don't believe that. We ran the ball down people's throats last year and they knew exactly what was coming. Teams like the Steelers have the same approach, they run the ball and they don't care if their opponent knows what's coming. It's all about commiting to that style of play and dominating your opponent at the line of scrimmage, which is something we've shown we can do. Right now we're not commited to anything.[/QUOTE]

i'm totally down for that romantic 80's era ideal Matty. but Al Saunders' oft mentioned 700 page playbook and wildly varied gameplans per game is the antithesis of that. he thinks he's clever and customizes the gameplan for each team. picks a chapter from his precious play-bible.

those days of dominating offensiveline may be over for us. our once solid o-line is getting older, more confused with the playbook, and less and less confident of their QB and the gameplan as the losses mount.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229358]Well all I know is our current offensive approach is not working. It's time to try something different and get back to basics. What do we have to lose?[/QUOTE]

This is what happens when teams rebuild & retool every year. Nobody gets comfortable with whats going on because its always changing and the team never quite knows what players to draft (or in the skins case sign as FAs) because nobody knows what the system is going to be from one year to the next.

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Not just running the ball but running between the tackles would be nice. We try to run out side and its like every team knows what we are doing so stopping the runs is easier and harder for our line to block.

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That's nonsense, since Gibbs return, he has tried to build a team around some core guys, and add, change where necessary to reinforce a specific area of concern. It is hardly the wholesale change picture of the past, as in neon Deon, Bruce Smith, etc. There have been some changes over the past couple of years as you would expect. What successful team does not have some change?

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[QUOTE=firstdown;229367]Not just running the ball but running between the tackles would be nice. We try to run out side and its like every team knows what we are doing so stopping the runs is easier and harder for our line to block.[/QUOTE]

you said it. you know what's worse? when you're obviously throwing alot of screens and making the defense play WIDE....then you go ahead and run WIDE as well! right where YOU put the defense. just brilliant.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;229368]That's nonsense, since Gibbs return, he has tried to build a team around some core guys, and add, change where necessary to reinforce a specific area of concern. It is hardly the wholesale change picture of the past, as in neon Deon, Bruce Smith, etc. There have been some changes over the past couple of years as you would expect. What successful team does not have some change?[/QUOTE]

I'm not talking about changing players. Its changing systems. Even since Gibbs has been here they have changed systems and this is only his 3rd year back.

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[quote=irish;229373]I'm not talking about changing players. Its changing systems. Even since Gibbs has been here they have changed systems and this is only his 3rd year back.[/quote]

There have been system changes. I'm sure the coaching staff will remain in 2007. That should add stability if that is a problem

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I agree with you guy's about just running the football. I was at the game yesterday in the upper level and that was the sentiment among all of us as well. We were screaming to stop with the friggin end arounds and just pound it stratight ahead!! It was frustrating to say the least, especially after I drove 6 hours to get there!!

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This isn't 1983 and we don't have the Hogs!!!!! Let's face it. For the most part the NFL is a passing league and you have to pass the ball and get chunks of yardage to score. Why bring in the 2nd coming of the posse if we are not going to pass the ball?????? Plus you can beat some of the average teams by running it but in order to be a Super Bowl contending team you have to throw the ball. Yesterday Seattle won w/out Alexander on the road by throwing it!

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[quote=Mattyk72;229358]Well all I know is our current offensive approach is not working. It's time to try something different and get back to basics. What do we have to lose?[/quote]

I agree. I wish we had stuck with what worked during our 6-game winning streak (including playoff game last year). Of course, that would mean never bringing in Saunders, but I'm very much OK with that.

Portis clearly is our best, most-inspired player. Others such as Brunell never show any intensity in the 4th quarter or any other time.

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[quote=skinsfan69;229432]This isn't 1983 and we don't have the Hogs!!!!! Let's face it. For the most part the NFL is a passing league and you have to pass the ball and get chunks of yardage to score. Why bring in the 2nd coming of the posse if we are not going to pass the ball?????? Plus you can beat some of the average teams by running it but in order to be a Super Bowl contending team you have to throw the ball. Yesterday Seattle won w/out Alexander on the road by throwing it![/quote]

Tell me who won the Super Bowl last year.

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[quote=Mattyk72;229327]Why did Portis only have 14 carries yesterday?

Why did Betts only have 2 carries?

We have a 254 pound hammer on the bench in Duckett... where is he??

This [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/15/AR2006101501094.html"]article by Thomas Boswell[/URL] sums things up perfectly on offense. We need to say the hell with these cutesy reverses and end arounds, and get back to playing smashmouth football. This is what this offense is built for and it plays right to our strength. I think Gibbs needs to tell Saunders to put together a back to basics game plan from here on out and let's scrap the majority of his infamous 700 page playbook.

If we want to win folks, we have to run. It's very simple. Control the clock, dominate the opponent, and keep our seriously hurting 'D' off the field as much as possible.

Let's get back to Redskins football![/quote]
:food-smil amen my brother this is what i want to see,redskins football ..
and i don,t care much for this dink and dunk crap either.....
and being up 14-3 then losing 25.22 needless to say the ship sunk before it set sail..or better yet they never gave it a chance...stick with what works and what we had last year down the stretch worked and all it needed was a little adjustment and not an overhaul.....

just a bit fustrating to say the least...cause we know smashmouth football and great defense wins in this league and thus far i haven,t seen either thus far.i,m still waiting..

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229448]Tell me who won the Super Bowl last year.[/QUOTE]

you like ignoring my posts Matty. while i totally agree with you on the direction we should take, do you really think Saunders would stick to one chapter in his playbook? the Gibbs chapter we already had?

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[quote=illdefined;229466]you like ignoring my posts Matty. while i totally agree with you on the direction we should take, do you really think Saunders would stick to one chapter in his playbook? the Gibbs chapter we already had?[/quote]

Ignoring your posts? I guess you're the only one posting on this issue, sorry for skipping over your post, next time I'll read yours and only yours.

To answer your question, YES, if all we do well right now is pages 1-8 of his playbook, then HELL YES junk the rest and get back to basics.

Where is this offense going as it is right now? Nowhere. It's time to realize what this team does best and just do it.

This team is at a crossroads. The road that has brought us to the brink of the season hasn't worked. It's time to re-evaluate and plot a new course. If that means going back to last year's philosophy I'm all for it. Blindly plowing forward as is isn't getting us anywhere.

Gibbs needs to sit down with Saunders and say look, this isn't working. We need to focus on what we do well and scrap this 700-page experiment for now. They can get back to it in the offseason, or pepper some of it in as we go, but for right now we really need a basic approach.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229475]Ignoring your posts? I guess you're the only one posting on this issue, sorry for skipping over your post, next time I'll read yours and only yours.

To answer your question, YES, if all we do well right now is pages 1-8 of his playbook, then HELL YES junk the rest and get back to basics.

Where is this offense going as it is right now? Nowhere. It's time to realize what this team does best and just do it.

This team is at a crossroads. The road that has brought us to the brink of the season hasn't worked. It's time to re-evaluate and plot a new course. If that means going back to last year's philosophy I'm all for it. Blindly plowing forward as is isn't getting us anywhere.

Gibbs needs to sit down with Saunders and say look, this isn't working. We need to focus on what we do well and scrap this 700-page experiment for now. They can get back to it in the offseason, or pepper some of it in as we go, but for right now we really need a basic approach.[/QUOTE]


yeah i mean, that's everyone thought when Al Saunders was brought here. why fix whats not broken? old argument. while i wish Gibbs would take back the reigns, he brought Saunders for all this crap, and i have a sinking feeling he may keep trying it.

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[quote=illdefined;229477]yeah i mean, that's everyone thought when Al Saunders was brought here. why fix whats not broken? old argument. while i wish Gibbs would take back the reigns, he brought Saunders for all this crap, and i have a sinking feeling he may keep trying it.[/quote]

i would love to see Gibbs take control again. Saunders is a genius, dont get me wrong, but we WON with Gibbs style to run it at till they puke and pass when they're beatdown. Saunders adds a little variety, but gets WAY away from the reason y we were winning in the first place


RUNNING LIKE MAD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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125 yards on 26 carries. Rushing could have been a bit worse. I agree we should have pounded it a lot more towards the end, but they were definitely keyed to the run. We tried to hit them when they pulled into the box, but failed.

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I think that going for the jugular at the end with almost a minute left was a little nuts....we had a little time to run the "dink and dunk" game to the sidelines to preserve time and march up the field to either FG or Td and end it but instead, Brunell pretty much sealed his OWN fate in the fans' eyes

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07;229439]I agree. I wish we had stuck with what worked during our 6-game winning streak (including playoff game last year). Of course, that would mean never bringing in Saunders, but I'm very much OK with that.

Portis clearly is our best, most-inspired player. Others such as Brunell never show any intensity in the 4th quarter or any other time.[/QUOTE]

Its hard not to think that last years 6 game win streak was an aberation instead of the norm.

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I think we need to set the tone against INDI.

Why don't we institute a "full house" backfield. Sellers, Portis, and Duckett.
Saunders can run his sweeps with Sellers and Duckett blocking. Should the safeties "play the outside"... we pound it up with lead plays right up the gut giving Duckett the ball.

[B]We do not have the tools to throw deep[/B]

[B]We have not been running our WR's successfully to the outside[/B]

We have not established an identity. (I heard Sonny imply that we are a football team that doesn't know what to do. We're trying to finess the opponent when we have people like Duckett and Sellers in the backfield being used sparingly.)

Changing to this offense will control the clock more and most importantly take some weight off our defense. It will minimize turnovers, and I think it's the correct gameplan to run against INDI.

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[quote=Twilbert07;229439]I agree. I wish we had stuck with what worked during our 6-game winning streak (including playoff game last year). Of course, that would mean never bringing in Saunders, but I'm very much OK with that.

Portis clearly is our best, most-inspired player. Others such as [U]Brunell never show any intensity in the 4th quarter or any other time[/U].[/quote]

Yeah... JAX he showed zero intensity late in the game....
Remember Seattle reg season last year?

Brunell shows intensity, he just only shows it to one player. When the other team knows he's going to Moss.... that's when he throws his pick.

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[quote=RobH4413;229503]I think we need to set the tone against INDI.

Why don't we institute a "full house" backfield. Sellers, Portis, and Duckett.
Saunders can run his sweeps with Sellers and Duckett blocking. Should the safeties "play the outside"... we pound it up with lead plays right up the gut giving Duckett the ball.

[B]We do not have the tools to throw deep[/B]

[B]We have not been running our WR's successfully to the outside[/B]

We have not established an identity. (I heard Sonny imply that we are a football team that doesn't know what to do. We're trying to finess the opponent when we have people like Duckett and Sellers in the backfield being used sparingly.)

Changing to this offense will control the clock more and most importantly take some weight off our defense. It will minimize turnovers, and I think it's the correct gameplan to run against INDI.[/quote]


Holy fuck.....y the hell dont yopu have Gibbs and Saunders #?? Tell them what you wrote about the fullhouse backfield and if they dont run with THAT FUCKING wonderful whale of an idea, then the game has TRULY passed both them at light speed.....

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[quote=RobH4413;229508]Yeah... JAX he showed zero intensity late in the game....
Remember Seattle reg season last year?

Brunell shows intensity, he just only shows it to one player. When the other team knows he's going to Moss.... that's when he throws his pick.[/quote]


yup yup and right again!! where the fuck are you when we need answers!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;229511]Holy fuck.....y the hell dont yopu have Gibbs and Saunders #?? Tell them what you wrote about the fullhouse backfield and if they dont run with THAT FUCKING wonderful whale of an idea, then the game has TRULY passed both them at light speed.....[/QUOTE]

Funny, but vicious.