What is our offensive identity?
 

Greetings faithful skins fans. I was just wondering...since when has the screen pass become a gamebreaking play? Why the heck do we run so many screens and crappy trick plays that dont seem to fool anybody. All of this dink and dunk is really kind of insulting to players of the caliber of Moss, ARE, Lloyd, Cooley and Portis. Was there a point to signing Al Saunders? We looked better last year with Portis getting 30+ carries, Cooleys 6 to 7 catches and Moss's 3 to 4 catch, 180 yard recieving games than we do with this schizophrenic crap we have now. There is no rhythm to the offense at all. Yeah the D hasnt done anything, but our emphasis last off season seemed to be offensive firepower so it makes sense to me that offense should be winning some (not all) of the games for us. Is Portis heatlhy enough to run 30+ the rest of the way, or will our FA's make a difference in the vertical game. I remember the good old days when opposing teams KNEW the counter tray was coming and could do NOTHING to stop it. Help me redskins faithful; what the heck are we doing on offense, and what SHOULD we be doing on offense?

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We have no identity right now.
What we need to do is get Brunell out, because he's afraid to embrace Saunder's system. Al must be pissed off right now.

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our identity is dink and dunk/screen passes. not exactly the best identity

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[quote=Skins4Eva;230179]Greetings faithful skins fans. I was just wondering...since when has the screen pass become a gamebreaking play? Why the heck do we run so many screens and crappy trick plays that dont seem to fool anybody. All of this dink and dunk is really kind of insulting to players of the caliber of Moss, ARE, Lloyd, Cooley and Portis. Was there a point to signing Al Saunders? We looked better last year with Portis getting 30+ carries, Cooleys 6 to 7 catches and Moss's 3 to 4 catch, 180 yard recieving games than we do with this schizophrenic crap we have now. There is no rhythm to the offense at all. Yeah the D hasnt done anything, but our emphasis last off season seemed to be offensive firepower so it makes sense to me that offense should be winning some (not all) of the games for us. Is Portis heatlhy enough to run 30+ the rest of the way, or will our FA's make a difference in the vertical game. I remember the good old days when opposing teams KNEW the counter tray was coming and could do NOTHING to stop it. Help me redskins faithful; what the heck are we doing on offense, and what SHOULD we be doing on offense?[/quote]


The screen looked pretty good when Priest Holmes was running it.

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I was thinking about this all day today. Who the hell are we? What are we? I don't mind the screen play, but what I do mind is the lack of a running game. For the love of god, pound the fucking ball, throw more quick slants, use the god damn TE, and throw the deep out routes lord knows your receivers are fast and can stop on a dime. Oh and get the fucking pistol armed QB out of there. I have had enough of his thumbs up sign.

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This team is built to run the football. When we successfully run the football, it opens up the pass for us. We need to stick to that philosophy against a team like Indy. Indy's run defense sucks right now. There's no better time to go back to the basics then this week.

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[quote=jsarno;230202]We have no identity right now.
What we need to do is get Brunell out, because he's afraid to embrace Saunder's system. Al must be pissed off right now.[/quote]He's right that we have no identity.

Run the ball!

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;230208]The screen looked pretty good when Priest Holmes was running it.[/quote]


the screen doesn't work when you don't keep your db's faithfull with the deep ball....

the screen doesn't work when you run the ball 14 times to your #1 RB...

#1 point... the screen doesn't work when you run it every single game.. all the time all day long...

this offense is no-where close to KC.

The screen pass is a powerfull weapon when utilized correctly, and I think everyone including you can agree we're basing an offense around a screen pass, as opposed using the screen pass to "hi-jack" a defense.

I ran that shit in High-school and college, while I admit the comparison isn't even close, the basic principle of a screen pass is to use it as a contrast to the deep ball... once the db's give you the 8-12 yds of respect.....we don't have that so running the SP is useless. The opposing defense watches our game film and says "the number 1 threat is the screen pass"... so they have their db's jump that motion. Lets focus on running the ball, and getting Santana the ball right now and the we'll talk about a successful screen pass.

The right thing to do against INDI is run a fake screen and mold the offense around keeping defenses faithfull, both to the run and the pass. We'll see what happends.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;230202]We have no identity right now.
What we need to do is get Brunell out, because he's afraid to embrace Saunder's system. Al must be pissed off right now.[/QUOTE]

What are you basing that on? He's afraid to embrace the system? Give some proof

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So far our offensive identity looks a great deal like the Pink Panther. Or perhpas the Roadrunner and coyote, a big book of plays and we just can't execute any of them.

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Saunders wants his offense to be able to pass the ball at will. He's finding out each week that this team is not built that way yet. The Redskins have to run first to set up the pass.

Obviously, the game films showed a weakness with Tennessee's defense the coaches felt they could exploit with screen passes. But like others have said, the DBs can sniff out screens easily when they're this close to the line knowing nothing's going to be thrown deep.

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I see nothing wrong with the screens, when executed they can be deadly. They were a staple of a team that was 10-6 last year, BUT our big problem right now is we're not establishing the running game well enough. We really need to start hitting people in the mouth. 14 carries for Portis isn't going to cut it under any circumstances.

Listen to Portis, Al. He wants to run the ball, and he wants to pound it between the tackles.

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Could it be that MB won't throw the ball down the damn filed? I think that's what that point is based on! HAIL from MCUSA!

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What ever happened to the "vertical" passing game? Maybe if we pound the rock, play action could actually be a viable option. Screens are fine when the defense is off balance, but not every time we are in 3rd and long! HAIl from MCUSA!

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[quote=Crat92;230330]What ever happened to the "vertical" passing game? Maybe if we pound the rock, play action could actually be a viable option. Screens are fine when the defense is off balance, but not every time we are in 3rd and long! HAIl from MCUSA![/quote]
Pretty basic football right there... exactly what we need.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;230359]Pretty basic football right there... exactly what we need.[/QUOTE]

exactly what we had. before Saunders and his playbible.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;230234]What are you basing that on? He's afraid to embrace the system? Give some proof[/QUOTE]

I am unsure of what kind of proof you are looking for, but how about Brunell actually admitted he was just wanting the game to be over in week one, obviously implying he was not ready. Anyone that afraid to play a game can't be getting it...week 1 or not.
Also, this offense looks nothing like an Al Saunders ran offense, so either Gibbs is still running the show, or Brunell is not getting it. I love it when the camera's pan back and you can see the entire field, when that happens, everyone please look at the open receivers. There are always guys open.
Someone here said "how is it possible we have Moss, ARE, Lloyd, and Cooley and none of them are creating separation?" Ask yourself that question and the answer is obvious, it's not them, it's Brunell.
How many times did Brunell get protection time and he looked indecisive?
If Saunders would step up to the mic. he'd tell us his system is not being run properly...it won't work if Brunell is afraid. Brunell has made his mark on this world by being a guy that doesn't make mistakes. A guy that probably won't win you a game, but won't lose you a game. Saunders has an offense that the QB needs to win you games. Brunell doesn't have that in him.

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Let's just remember that when Todd Collins came to the team he said this offense would take a year to fully digest.

A full year.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;230420]Let's just remember that when Todd Collins came to the team he said this offense would take a year to fully digest.

A full year.[/QUOTE]

The problem with that is that is that it seems like this team was built for short term success. We have all these big contracts out there that are backloaded, meaning that many of our big FA signings probably won't be around too long before they either need to be restructured or cut. I guess that begs the question, did we try to do too much by bringing in Saunders?

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More harping on the offense...

WHAT IS OUR DEFENSIVE IDENTITY???

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;230420]Let's just remember that when Todd Collins came to the team he said this offense would take a year to fully digest.

A full year.[/QUOTE]

yes, EXACTLY, any offense takes time to master.

thats why we should wait till Brunell is 37.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;230444]More harping on the offense...

WHAT IS OUR DEFENSIVE IDENTITY???[/QUOTE]

same as always but with sub-par talent. that's all.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;230445]yes, EXACTLY, any offense takes time to master.

thats why we should wait till Brunell is 37.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, that was the other point I meant to make before.

If this system was expected to take so long to get than we should have let Campbell lead it from the beginning. Then again, that thought is made in hindsight, because we all thought we were going to the Super Bowl this season.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;230450]Oh yeah, that was the other point I meant to make before.

If this system was expected to take so long to get than we should have let Campbell lead it from the beginning. Then again, that thought is made in hindsight, because we all thought we were going to the Super Bowl this season.[/QUOTE]

that thought wasn't in hindsight for everybody. a ton of us here begged for Campbell to get more practice time during the preseason.

not that we didn't appreciate Brunell last season, but with a whole new offense coming in this offseason, many of us questioned the benefit of investing time trying to teach Brunell new tricks.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;230444]More harping on the offense...

WHAT IS OUR DEFENSIVE IDENTITY???[/QUOTE]

We have none. We have yet to develope an identity on either side of the ball. Sad but true.
I think we all overrated our defense because we have become accustomed to having a strong d. Talent wise, I just don't think we have it. I over rated Archuleta personally cause I have yet to see him make a difference. Springs looked horrible, but I'll give him a couple games to return to form. Rogers is not what he should be at this point. Even though Carter has been our only pressure on the qb, he is a disappointment. So basically, the only 3 people I see actually performing well this season is, Taylor, Washington, and Griffin. Williams has had the same system in place for a while, so what's our excuse for horrible d? We can't say it's because Springs was out.
Man, it makes me miss Smoot.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;230445]yes, EXACTLY, any offense takes time to master.

thats why we should wait till Brunell is 37.[/QUOTE]

Brunell could be 40 before he gets this system. He looks way too lost.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;230444]More harping on the offense...

WHAT IS OUR DEFENSIVE IDENTITY???[/QUOTE]

I think there's more discussion involving the offense because most people here believe it's the least difficult phase to fix. The tools are there to make things better.

For the defense? Not so much.

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Brunell can't or doesn't want to throw anything past 10 yards.

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clap clap...........clap,clap clap! Ja-son Camp-bell!!!!! HAIL from MCUSA!

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what is mcusa?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;230618]I think there's more discussion involving the offense because most people here believe it's the least difficult phase to fix. The tools are there to make things better.

For the defense? Not so much.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. That's why I get somewhat annoyed when people defend Brunell by saying things like, "why replace him when the defense is just as responsible for our struggles?" While I agree that the D is probably even more responsible, somethings got to give with this team and I don't think they can make a midseason adjustment to 8 of the players on defense.

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So that's it? We're giving up on the 'D' and basically letting them off the hook?

I for one expect a lot more of the defense, and will continue to do so.

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[quote=Mattyk72;230994]So that's it? We're giving up on the 'D' and basically letting them off the hook?

I for one expect a lot more of the defense, and will continue to do so.[/quote]

after the way our D got us to the playoffs last year...the D will NEVER be off the hook until they start performing like we all know they can....

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Maybe Gibbs needs to start calling the plays. Last year the offense finished like 15th or something like that.

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What is our identity Offensively?
Sadly, its making alot of people laugh. I for one hear it and get angry, like watching this guy perform.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;231114]What is our identity Offensively?
Sadly, its making alot of people laugh. I for one hear it and get angry, like watching this guy perform.

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So you say, Yo MJG- well what does the Defense identify as?
I'd say a big bitch with a burger in her butt.
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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;230994]So that's it? We're giving up on the 'D' and basically letting them off the hook?

I for one expect a lot more of the defense, and will continue to do so.[/QUOTE]


Certainly nobody's going to let the defense off the hook. Carlos Rogers, Kenny Wright, Adam Archuleta, Andre Carter, Warrick Holdman, Philip Daniels and even Sean Taylor are not playing up to potential, and each of them have a lot of explaining to do. Even Marcus Washington and Lemar Marshall appear to be going through the motions, more than they are being a disruptive force like they were last year.

But what do you honestly expect from Golston and Montegomery? Or Griffin and Salave'a; players that the front office HAD to know there are injury issues that have at times plagued them, and hence, the entire defense should they go down for any length of time. Just how long did the organization expect them to anchor the line and stop the run all by themselves year after year? Ditto for Shawn Springs.

In many ways, the defense is what it is, and will not get any better until there's an opportunity to overhaul it. Even through the #3 and #10 rankings, I've been saying that they've been due for an upgrade in several positions, but hey, no one listens to me. Instead, they sign the Brandon Nobles, and keep guys like Renaldo Wynn, who if he were cut today, honestly wouldn't stand a chance at being picked up by another team. I mean come on, he had a half a sack last year! The Front Office picks through the trash of other teams and throws spare parts at the D-line and hope everthing turns out all right in the morning.

What we're seeing with the D was bound to happen, and unfortunately, we're stuck with it.

On offense though, there are opportunities to make changes, and to adjust schemes and playcalling.

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HAhaa, NFL total access actually shows the Skins being interviewed saying they are still optimistic and hanging in there. I guess it would be too if I got paid regardless.

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I've found secret video of a trick play from page 697 of Saunders' [URL="http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2006/10/16/penn-state-almost-pulled-out-the-weirdest-trick-in-the-book/"]playbook[/URL]

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Lets run it.