Does Anyone Think Carlos Rogers Will End Up Being Good
 

Does Anyone Think Carlos Rogers Will End Up Being Good??? Or is his poor play a sign of whats to come for the next 3 years??

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Carlos Rogers is probably one of those guys who can have a long, very solid career if the circumstances around him are right. Right now he's not showing many signs of being the game changer you expect from a top 10 pick.

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well last year it looked like he was making strides... From the looks of things now, I'd say he's a number 2. A decent number 2... but he's going to have to make some serious strides before I'd want him to be a number 1 CB.

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First he's got to learn proper technique cause his sucks! Second, he needs to learn how to bump and run! HAIL from MCUSA!

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I agree with all points above...Mr. Rogers ( and his neighboorhood...lol, im done sorry, couldnt just let that slide) will have to step up if he wants to be a #1 CB. Another question may be, does he really WANT to be a #1 CB? I know that sounds odd but it seems to me that many players come ino the league to get paid, thats it. Not be a pro bowler, not be the best, but get f-ing paid. Carlos HAS made some big strides since last year but this year, it seems he's slipping back into his old crappy rountine again. I think the game against Indy will be a deciding factor (at least in my mind) as to wether or not he will be a #1 CB in washington in the future, not saying that he has too much competition there.....but thats a whole 'nother story.....

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Only the wise 'Skins fan,strong in the ways of the force, could realize the importance of Shawn Springs! Young padwand rogers it seems, not yet ready is he! Hmm?! HAIL from MCUSA!

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to early to say if you ask me. i see some good things but see some awful things as well. i know one thing he is terrible at...picking off passes. remember the gift hasselbeck threw him in the playoffs last year that he dropped and against the giants this season eli threw him one right in the bread basket and he couldnt hold onto it.

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Still to early to give up on him. He battled injuries last year and missed a good chunk of camp and the early part of the season. This year NOBODY looks good defensively so it's tough to really gauge his progression. I think right now this struggles are a reflection of the unit as a whole.

The guy has the tools. He's fast enough, has good size and he hits. He just needs more game experience and I honestly think he's going to be a quality starting corner for a long time to come.

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I think the problem is, most of us were expecting Champ Bailey, and we got Fred Smoot. And I do think Rogers is as good, or better than Smoot was at this point in his career. The difference is, Smoot had Champ on the other side for the first few seasons of his career. Rogers does have some things he needs to work on, like playing the ball instead of the receiver, and not giving such a large cushion. I do however, believe that he is one of the better tackling corners in the league. It'll just take time for him to develop into a top tier corner.

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I think its a little early to tell if he is going to be solid. There are few corners who come out of college and are true #1 corners. It takes time for these guys to adjust, both physically and mentally. Champ was one of the few exceptions of being a legit #1 out of college. He would definately be a good #2, but a #1 is hard to say at this point.

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no...unless he goes back into the zone system that he excellend in during his college days. Perhaps he could put some weight on and play safety. he's not a bad tackler (sort of), he is a bad cover guy.

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I think he's going to be an excellent #1 corner, and this year will help him along the way. True, he has been picked on more than usual this year, but on most of those plays he's been right there with the guy. Once he starts looking for the ball when the receivers do, he'll break up more passes.

Technique you can learn. He's got enough size, speed, and talent to be a #1 guy. It's only his 2nd season. And we've had some gawd-awful corners here before, or am I the only one to remember the Martin Mayhew era?

Kinda like it's hard to blame just Brunell for the offensive struggles, you can't pinpoint the poor coverage just on Carlos. Especially with Kenny Wright playing even worse coverage on the other side.

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in my redskins madden franchise, rogers has steadily improved and he is rated in the mid 90's ... I'm just saying. ;)

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[quote=TAFKAS;231497]Carlos Rogers is probably one of those guys who can have a long, very solid career if the circumstances around him are right. Right now he's not showing many signs of being the game changer you expect from a top 10 pick.[/quote]
He has shown the signs but just keeps dropping them. The funny thing is if you read his statments (Redskins.com) on not playing this week he says he likes to play physical at the line scrimmage. I guess 10 yards off the line is physical play.

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[quote=memphisskin;231581]I think he's going to be an excellent #1 corner, and this year will help him along the way. True, he has been picked on more than usual this year, but on most of those plays he's been right there with the guy. Once he starts looking for the ball when the receivers do, he'll break up more passes.

Technique you can learn. He's got enough size, speed, and talent to be a #1 guy. It's only his 2nd season. And we've had some gawd-awful corners here before, or am I the only one to remember the Martin Mayhew era?

Kinda like it's hard to blame just Brunell for the offensive struggles, you can't pinpoint the poor coverage just on Carlos. Especially with Kenny Wright playing even worse coverage on the other side.[/quote]

How can you possibly say that he's been "right there with the guy" are you watching the same games? he gives a 5-8 yard cushion religiously...in no way has he shown an ability to keep up. that said, he does have all the tools, let hope he learns to use them...and catch.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;231599]How can you possibly say that he's been "right there with the guy" are you watching the same games? he gives a 5-8 yard cushion religiously...in no way has he shown an ability to keep up. that said, he does have all the tools, let hope he learns to use them...and catch.[/quote]

I've seen him with tight coverage quite a few times, his problem is he doesn't get his head turned around to play the ball.

His "cushion" is in all likelihood a result of the scheme and not his choice.

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He will be fine. I am not sure that he is the right fit for GW's system, but time will tell. He's probably better suited for the cover 2. I'm hoping this year he will grasp it and turn out to be a great pick for us in the long run.

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[quote=Mattyk72;231607]I've seen him with tight coverage quite a few times, his problem is he doesn't get his head turned around to play the ball.

His "cushion" is in all likelihood a result of the scheme and not his choice.[/quote]

fair enough, however, do you see springs giving that kind of cushion? perhaps williams knows that rogers can't cover (tightly) which is why his scheme's provide for cushion...

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[quote=Mattyk72;231607]I've seen him with tight coverage quite a few times, his problem is he doesn't get his head turned around to play the ball.

His "cushion" is in all likelihood a result of the scheme and not his choice.[/quote]
Yes. He has trouble reading the body language of a Rec. It seems like he looks back right as the ball is over his head sometimes. I also think he needs work on his jams. Receivers seem to push him aside all the time, hence he is usually trying to catch up, and that's where the looking back comes in.
side note: Did any1 notice how late our blitzes were all day Sun?

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Answer = NO.

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[quote=Mattyk72;231607]I've seen him with tight coverage quite a few times, his problem is he doesn't get his head turned around to play the ball.

His "cushion" is in all likelihood a result of the scheme and not his choice.[/quote]

i agree there.

i mean damn, are we moving on to carlos now? he DOES need to get his head turned, but damn his coverage by and large has been good.

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[quote=PWNED;231624]i agree there.

i mean damn, are we moving on to carlos now? he DOES need to get his head turned, but damn his coverage by and large has been good.[/quote]

No shit. Maybe we should have a thread for every starter and everyone can rip them apart for all the things that each one of them has done wrong this year and the fact that it has contributed directly to the redskins record thus far. Gimme a break fellas.

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just like matty said, the d in general has played like crap.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;231564]I think the problem is, most of us were expecting Champ Bailey, and we got Fred Smoot. And I do think Rogers is as good, or better than Smoot was at this point in his career. The difference is, Smoot had Champ on the other side for the first few seasons of his career. Rogers does have some things he needs to work on, like playing the ball instead of the receiver, and not giving such a large cushion. I do however, believe that he is one of the better tackling corners in the league. It'll just take time for him to develop into a top tier corner.[/QUOTE]

Rodgers is no where near the level of play that Smoot was in his career. Whether Champ was on the other side or not, Smoot led the defense with INTs for 3 seasons. Rodgers on the other hand, not only doesn't play the ball, he's dropped more potential INT's than he has caught beginning with the playoff game against the Seahawks. He jumped the play and would have taken that freakin' ball into the endzone. Time will tell, but Coach Gray has to change Rodgers' approach to play the ball first and foremost.

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[quote=SUNRA;231634]Rodgers is no where near the level of play that Smoot was in his career. Whether Champ was on the other side or not, Smoot led the defense with INTs for 3 seasons. Rodgers on the other hand, not only doesn't play the ball, he's dropped more potential INT's than he has caught beginning with the playoff game against the Seahawks. He jumped the play and would have taken that freakin' ball into the endzone. Time will tell, but Coach Gray has to change Rodgers' approach to play the ball first and foremost.[/quote]What you said contradicts itself. First you say he does not play the ball then you say he drops potential int's. If he was not playing the ball how does he have the opportunity to drop all those int's. The problem is when he plays the ball he drops them. I think his problem is he gets ahead of himself and is trying to hard which causes the dropped balls.

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but remember, if the man could catch he would have 2 or 3 ints that i could see.

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he looked good his rookie year but right now everyone in our defense looks bad so you cant say anyting about him yet

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[quote=SUNRA;231634]Rodgers is no where near the level of play that Smoot was in his career. Whether Champ was on the other side or not, Smoot led the defense with INTs for 3 seasons. [/quote]

While Smoot was better at playing the ball, he was probably one of the worst tacklers on the defense. He was a decent corner, but he was nowhere close to Champ level.

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I hate to say it, but I dont think he has the speed to play corner. He seems to be very easly turned around. He either lacks the speed of a good corner or the agility. I hope I am wrong. We all complain about the free agents the we bring in, but the Redskins have had bad luck with high draft choices dating back to the eighties.

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CR is a good CB, but I doubt he will ever rise to one-of-the-greats status. He has plenty of talent, but just does not go after the ball well enough to be great.

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Adam Archuleta has all the "tools". these are professional athletes, developing and maintaing physical "tools" is their job. any young guy out there has the tools.

what made Champ so good wasn't his tools, it was his instinct, his 'feel' for what the receiver was going to do. CB is a hugely instinctive position, that's why it's so coveted. instinct of course, is the one thing no one can teach, only nurture.

so far, Carlos seems totally focused on just following the guy he's after. he doesn't have a sense of the QB, the play, or anticipating (and reacting to) the WR's actions. he's just running after a guy.

i expected a whole lot more from a top 10 1st rounder, and frankly our scouts.

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[quote=CPDAMAN;231657]I hate to say it, but I dont think he has the speed to play corner. He seems to be very easly turned around. He either lacks the speed of a good corner or the agility. I hope I am wrong. We all complain about the free agents the we bring in, but the Redskins have had bad luck with high draft choices dating back to the eighties.[/quote]

He has great timed speed, he just needs to concentrate on improving his footwork in coverage so it translates onto the field.

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No one intercepts the ball on the skins D, They don't seem to read the QB at all. I watch the Cinci D, and all of them are sitting in zones and eyeing the QB, then they jump on passes based on a hunch. (thanks to Marvin Lewis) Greg Williams D is designed to prevent yardage, not create turnovers. So I can't blame rogers for not picking off passes, Marcus dropped an easier one last week. Rogers is a #2, who needs safety help deep.

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honestly i havent seen anyone make a play on the ball since the mid part of last year... and maybe since that arizona game i havent seen anyone truly PICK a ball. all our picks have really come on deflections or desparation passes.

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Marshall led the team with picks last year. That's not good.

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and mostly on deflections. we DO need to get some DBs with some instincts. taylor has them, but i think he goes for the hit rather than the pick. he causes fumbles though, so hes good in my book. we just need to RECOVER them.

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You know what they say. Those who can catch, play receiver. Those who can't, play DB! Hail from MCUSA!