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With 5 losses I think it's safe to say the playoffs are out of the picture barring an epic turnaround.

Not that I think it's going to make a dramatic difference this year, but I think it's time to start Campbell and start building towards next year. We need to get an idea if this kid can play. Let him take his lumps and get some game experience.

Get some of the youngers guys in there too like McIntosh.

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Please, please take Holdman out. I swear I saw miss at least 3 or 4 tackles today. He's horrible. McIntosh couldn't do any worse.

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Yes. He can't play any worse than Brunell really.

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Put in Campbell. Brunell is good at not losing games at this point, but with the defense we currently field, we need a QB who will be a gunslinger and takes the chances that can win games.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;232311]Put in Campbell. Brunell is good at not losing games at this point, but with the defense we currently field, we need a QB who will be a gunslinger and takes the chances that can win games.[/QUOTE]

um no, "not losing games" and "winning now" both imply WINNING. Brunell is only good at not throwing INTs. above actually trying to win games.

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[quote=cpayne5;232311]Put in Campbell. Brunell is good at not losing games at this point, but with the defense we currently field, we need a QB who will be a gunslinger and takes the chances that can win games.[/quote]

A 2-5 record is not "good" at not losing games!

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I'm dissapointed yet anxious... lets start the future now.

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Brunell definately needs to go. But what about the defense? It was pathetic, even if we were going against Peyton Manning. And what about the O-line? Jansen AND Samuels were awful. Samuels got owned today and Jansen has been getting toasted all year.

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Time for Campbell

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So guys, when does next season start? I think we'll see a qb switch over the bye week. That and a linebacker switch. Possibly a db switch too.

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There is absolutely no reason to leave in Brunell or Holdman. If anybody thinks Brunell gives us the best chance to win now, they are just stupid. Not that that matters now anyway, because we're not going to make the playoffs. Holdman isn't doing anything either. It's time to plan for the future.

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[QUOTE=mooby;232361]So guys, when does next season start? I think we'll see a qb switch over the bye week. That and a linebacker switch. Possibly a db switch too.[/QUOTE]

A db switch? To who? Everyone is either hurt or has been hurt. Our issue isn;t the play of the guys we got. It's the NOT playing of the guys we got.

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yeah and which LB? I hear McIntosh is making too mistakes in practice.

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It's obvious to everyone but Joe that Campbell needs to replace Dr. Dumpoff at QB. We KNOW what Brunell can do and it's not enough, let's find out if Campbell can get it done. Getting our starting secondary back should help, I'm not opposed to replacing Holdman (who missed 5 tackles easily today) with McIntosh. We need to find out what we have on the roster and if we can win with them. We aren't getting it done with who is on the field, let's shake things up and see what else we have!

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Gibbs is going to stick with Brunell. It's hard to believe, but he just can't seem to put that old dog down. No offense to Brunell. He's had a darn good career, but he needs to retire.

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Did anyone catch Gibbs' postgame comments where he said that he didn't even "want to think about [starting Campbell]" and that Brunell played great? Looks like we're going to head into next season with no answers about the QB situation because Gibbs is NEVER going to give up on Brunell.

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Oh my god! What's the problem? How did DUDE play well? Does he not see a problem with DUDE's play?( I will be refering to MB as DUDE from this point on. I can't say DUDE's name cause sayin' it makes me want to puke!) This shit sucks! even COWBOY fans are callin' for DUDE"S Benching! HAIL from MCUSA!

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This is where Gibbs the Team President needs to exercise a veto over Gibbs the Head Coach.

Coach Gibbs wouldn't want to bench Brunell because of the message it sends to the team. But somebody in the organization needs to be thinking long term, and it should be the team president. If Gibbs doesn't make the switch, he'll be doing the team a huge disservice in the long run.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;232307]Please, please take Holdman out. I swear I saw miss at least 3 or 4 tackles today. He's horrible. McIntosh couldn't do any worse.[/QUOTE]


I admit this was not Warrick Holdman' s best game although he had six tackles but I think the linebackers were a little off with Lemar Marshall being out and Rocky and Khari really not understanding what to do on the field and then they had Holdman playing MIC and he is a WIL linebacker. But Rocky looked like a fish out of water I am not even sure if he had any tackles at all so please please get off of Holdmans ass

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[QUOTE=NYCSkin;232379]yeah and which LB? I hear McIntosh is making too mistakes in practice.[/QUOTE]

He is making too many mistakes, that is why he is not playing in front of Warrick Holdman, the defense is already not getting it done,putting in Rocky would just be further embarrassment

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[quote=Redskins_P;232307]Please, please take Holdman out. I swear I saw miss at least 3 or 4 tackles today. He's horrible. McIntosh couldn't do any worse.[/quote]
And while you're at it, take Andre Carter out on running downs, replacing him with Daniels at right DE and Wynn at left DE. Carter and Holdman are a horrible combination stopping the run on the right side of our D. Having paid huge money for Carter and Archuletta with paltry production is killing the defense.

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Fire Al Saunders!!
He thinks he's too much of a F*cking genius- To much of a genius to run the plays during preseason, too much of a genius to run his backs more than 22 times against the WORST running defense in the league. RUN THE BALL GENIUS. Maybe he can go coach MENSA's football team.
His offense sucks for this team.
His offense is for teams that like to look pretty and lose in the first round of th playoffs - teams with vaginas. Maybe he can go coach MENSA's powder puff football team.
[SIZE="5"][COLOR="Red"]Fire Al Saunders NOW!! [/COLOR][/SIZE]
(if you don't want to fire him, fine, just unplug his mic).

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I think there is a case to be made for seeing what Campbell is capable of doing. I don't think it's likely to happen, but I think the talk is understandable. I'm a little curious myself.

I don't believe that Campbell will make things better. I think it's far more likely that in the short term he would make things worse. (I know it doesn't seem possible but believe me it is.) I guess when you are 2 -5 it shouldn't make that much of a difference.

Other areas that are causing us problems and seemed to be overlooked when everyone obsesses about Brunell:

1. Clinton Portis is and has not been healthy.

2. Our Offensive Line is playing like shit. They don't seem to have bought in to the Saunders thing at all.

3. Our defense is now below average. Anyone whe remembers the names Ron Lynn or Mike Nolan will know how hard it is to win games when you have a defense ranked in the 20s. I don't see how they get better this year, either.

4. Special teams is hit and miss. I'm surprised that there haven't been calls to can Danny Smith but I may have missed them.

One more thing. After hearing Steve Csaban disrespect Gibbs tonight, I'm going to make jamming him my life's calling. If Comcast chooses to keep him on the air, I will add them to the list. What a f__ing asshole.

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[QUOTE=joekes;232468]Fire Al Saunders!!
He thinks he's too much of a F*cking genius- To much of a genius to run the plays during preseason, too much of a genius to run his backs more than 22 times against the WORST running defense in the league. RUN THE BALL GENIUS. Maybe he can go coach MENSA's football team.
His offense sucks for this team.
His offense is for teams that like to look pretty and lose in the first round of th playoffs - teams with vaginas. Maybe he can go coach MENSA's powder puff football team.
[SIZE="5"][COLOR="Red"]Fire Al Saunders NOW!! [/COLOR][/SIZE]
(if you don't want to fire him, fine, just unplug his mic).[/QUOTE]

The first 7 runs netted 1 yard rushing. It's not like they didn't try. Once the third quarter started, the Colts were up 27-14 before anyone could blink, and Portis was getting banged up.

Firing Al Saunders would help the team out as much as moving its headquarters from Ashburn to Tyson's Corner.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;232477]I think there is a case to be made for seeing what Campbell is capable of doing. I don't think it's likely to happen, but I think the talk is understandable. I'm a little curious myself.

I don't believe that Campbell will make things better. I think it's far more likely that in the short term he would make things worse. (I know it doesn't seem possible but believe me it is.) I guess when you are 2 -5 it shouldn't make that much of a difference.[/QUOTE]

The way I figure, we'll either lose with Brunell's 90.8 QB rating, or Jason Campbell throwing 4 or 5 picks a game.

We lose either way. Might as well be Campbell getting the experience he needs rather than put it off next year.

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[quote=Beemnseven;232481]The first 7 runs netted 1 yard rushing. It's not like they didn't try. Once the third quarter started, the Colts were up 27-14 before anyone could blink, and Portis was getting banged up.
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Great running teams keep pounding it. Only then can you be consistent. You have to keep running. Saunders is too much of a girl to keep running it.
How did the team start winning last year?
Running (even with Brunnell) Running!!

Saunders system also destroys our own defense. Teams with a Saunders offenses have always had terrible defenses because he never controls the time of posession. Ball control- that's how you win championships.
We don't need his double reverses on 3rd and 1. Just pound the F*cking ball! Ask the O-line what they want. Unless you're going to get a whole new O-line, you need to get rid of this Saunders crap.
Ladell is a really good back too, averaging more per carry than Portis-
You have 5 backs - surely one of them can pound some yards out. It's a problem of determination from the booth.

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[quote=Beemnseven;232492]The way I figure, we'll either lose with Brunell's 90.8 QB rating, or Jason Campbell throwing 4 or 5 picks a game.

We lose either way. Might as well be Campbell getting the experience he needs rather than put it off next year.[/quote]


I think my fear is that we''ll find out that Campbell is Heath Schuler and then they will have to call in the White Coats. (for me) (to take me to the insane asylum) I'd feel better about it if there were some rumblings from the team in favor of Campbell, but I don't get that sense. Anyone?

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[QUOTE=70Chip;232504]I think my fear is that we''ll find out that Campbell is Heath Schuler and then they will have to call in the White Coats. (for me) (to take me to the insane asylum) I'd feel better about it if there were some rumblings from the team in favor of Campbell, but I don't get that sense. Anyone?[/QUOTE]

If Campbell fails miserably, then it will be another black eye for Gibbs, who paid a very high price to pick him at No. 25. Part of me says we should use our Top 5 pick next year on a franchise QB. The whole thing's a complete mess. We're one game better than the Raiders and Cardinals. Wow.

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[quote=Beemnseven;232481]The first 7 runs netted 1 yard rushing. It's not like they didn't try. Once the third quarter started, the Colts were up 27-14 before anyone could blink, and Portis was getting banged up.

Firing Al Saunders would help the team out as much as moving its headquarters from Ashburn to Tyson's Corner.[/quote]

Thank you, sanity, I am seriously glad people that are crying for Saunder's head, are not running our team.

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[quote=Schneed10;232417]This is where Gibbs the Team President needs to exercise a veto over Gibbs the Head Coach.

Coach Gibbs wouldn't want to bench Brunell because of the message it sends to the team. But somebody in the organization needs to be thinking long term, and it should be the team president. If Gibbs doesn't make the switch, he'll be doing the team a huge disservice in the long run.[/quote]

Just curious, isnt Gibbs the Redskins Team President also??

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yes i was right Coach Gibbs is also team president. so Coach Gibbs should veto saunders

[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/coachingstaff.jsp]Washington Redskins[/url]

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The team fears that if the put Campbell in now they'll be sending the message that the season is over.

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[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;232596]The team fears that if the put Campbell in now they'll be sending the message that the season is over.[/QUOTE]

while the message to the fans would be the season has just BEGUN.

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I have a change that I haven't heard advocated so much...How about Collins for Brunell now?

Give Collins--who knows the offense better than Brunell and Campbell--two weeks to get some timing down with the receivers. He's younger, less beat up, and Saunders trusts him more. Start him at Dallas and see how he does. However, should the team get to 7 losses--start Campbell...

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I also think it's time to start Campbell considering playoff talk at this point is nothing more than a joke. However...starting Campbell doesn't fix our swiss cheese defense either. Wow...this season was over in record time as well...speechless!!!

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[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;232596]The team fears that if the put Campbell in now they'll be sending the message that the season is over.[/QUOTE]

It is over! Let's not kid ourselves. Last year we were 5-6 when we made our run. We have to go 3-1 next month just to get to the same point we were last year!

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins;232608]It is over! Let's not kid ourselves. Last year we were 5-6 when we made our run. We have to go 3-1 next month just to get to the same point we were last year![/QUOTE]
I know its over, but does the orginization have the balls to admit it and the skins would have to do better than 3-1 next month, they'll have to go 8-1 to have a decent shot at the wild-card.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;232602]while the message to the fans would be the season has just BEGUN.[/QUOTE]

Classic! I love it!

Old Gibbs can't give up on the season? Funny he can't give up on a game either, he had a chance to give Campbell some playing time in the 4th and instead let Brunell hobble around the field, very entertaining. Then we are kicking fieldgoals AGAIN when we need 3 TD's, I do believe Gibbs has absolutly lost it. At this point I don't think gibbs knows if he's coming or going.

The 2 of them kind of remind me of Laurel and Hardy, Brunell is Stan Laurel of coarse because he has the same goofy smurk with the protruding chin.

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the truth is we don't have the personnel to make wide sweeping changes. arch was a huge mistake, carter was a big mistake, lloyd may or may not have been a mistake (can't tell when the QB is the bottleneck on offense).

start wynn, start vincent, start rocky, start campbell. those rookie DTs are good for depth only right now, everyone and their brother can run on them.

missing griffin and lemar REALLY hurt our defense, and carlos coul have helped. khary campbell is not an NFL linebacker, and he's not really a good backup either. holdman, carter, and archuleta are invisible... we needd 11 guys playing defense, not 8. wynn is very average, but i'll take that over "look, i have one-move" carter any day (carter did have 1 nice shed and tackle for loss today, btu that's not enough).

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[quote=NYCSkin;232604]I have a change that I haven't heard advocated so much...How about Collins for Brunell now?

Give Collins--who knows the offense better than Brunell and Campbell--two weeks to get some timing down with the receivers. He's younger, less beat up, and Saunders trusts him more. Start him at Dallas and see how he does. However, should the team get to 7 losses--start Campbell...[/quote]

why? we already know collins isn't an NFL starter (and he's OLD), so we should see if the young guy is.