Offseason plan for 2007
 

Sucks to be talking 2007 in October, but that's the hand we've been dealt. Vote and discuss.

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minimal -- consistency/stability is key.

I'd like to have some more restraint in FA this offseason.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;232759]minimal -- consistency/stability is key.

I'd like to have some more restraint in FA this offseason.[/quote]

I voted for minimal changes and agree that we need to lay low this offseason. All the tinkering this past offseason ruined this seaosn. Let's use our first-round draft pick on a cornerback or impact linebacker and watch how Jason Campbell handles life as a starter.

However, I hope we drop our "consistency" because we're consistently bad year after year after year, expect for last season which now is looking more like a fluke.

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Minimal...we still have a VERY good core group of players to still build around. I dont really get why its not working this year; but I think if we keep these guys around, JC plays well at QB, we could be alright.

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moderate, we need to change out at least 3-4 defensive starters, and QB. the coaching staff needs to be pared down.

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moderate. wanted to say minimal (stability would be so nice) but Campbell is a pretty big change. so moderate. rrrrrr. . . .

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Any time you switch QBs, I can't call that a minimal change. I want to see them go to Campbell next season which can only be described as moderate in my eyes.

I want to keep the same schemes, keep the same coaches, keep the same offensive line, keep Portis, Moss, Cooley, Lloyd, ARE, Sellers. I'd get Rocky ready to play, maybe upgrade Lemar Marshall, play Carter only on passing downs, play Archuleta only on running downs, and DEFINITELY get a real good CB.

[B]But the biggest change I want to see is a complete shift in philosophy[/B], getting away from acquiring players through free agency and start acquiring them through the draft. I want to see us acquiring picks, not trading them away. That would be a pretty big shift in the way the team is managed.

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At this point, I have to say minimal changes considering we don't know how the rest of the season will play out. Probably need to address both lines, make the quarterback change, and go after a studly DB. That being said, I do still think there's time to gel this year if we can manage to get healthy and go out there and play like we want to win.

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i said moderate, but maybe some of that can start right now. somewhere along the line the skins need to find out if Campbell can play in this league, because this is definitely brunells last season. lets see if our offense looks any different with a quarterback that actually throws the ball down field. and we desparately need a corner that can cover. a defensive end that can actually get to the qbck would be nice, also

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the defense seems like its already blown up. so blowing it up again wouldn't hurt it. maybe Gray could go as the DB coach.

i think the offense only needs to change one guy. you can guess.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;232873]i think the offense only needs to change one guy. you can guess.[/QUOTE]

Chris Samuels? I agree man, bring back Jake!!

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[quote=Schneed10;232794]Any time you switch QBs, I can't call that a minimal change. I want to see them go to Campbell next season which can only be described as moderate in my eyes.

I want to keep the same schemes, keep the same coaches, keep the same offensive line, keep Portis, Moss, Cooley, Lloyd, ARE, Sellers. I'd get Rocky ready to play, maybe upgrade Lemar Marshall, play Carter only on passing downs, play Archuleta only on running downs, and DEFINITELY get a real good CB.

[B]But the biggest change I want to see is a complete shift in philosophy[/B], getting away from acquiring players through free agency and start acquiring them through the draft. I want to see us acquiring picks, not trading them away. That would be a pretty big shift in the way the team is managed.[/quote]I'd agree with this. I think the Campbell era will start in training camp last year. (Not that he won't play this year, but this isn't his team) The fact that they keep trading picks away compromises the future, and you'd be a fool to think there isn't some extra pressure on the team to win now that indirectly affects the game.

It's not like they haven't done a good job drafting both early and late. Dockery, Sean Taylor, Montgomery, Golston, Betts, Marshall and Pierce as UDFAs all came from the draft. It's not like there is even a problem with trading picks for role players. It's that every time we make a deal, we get far sub par league average value for our pick.

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[quote=GTripp0012;232882]I'd agree with this. I think the Campbell era will start in training camp last year. (Not that he won't play this year, but this isn't his team) The fact that they keep trading picks away compromises the future, and you'd be a fool to think there isn't some extra pressure on the team to win now that indirectly affects the game.

It's not like they haven't done a good job drafting both early and late. Dockery, Sean Taylor, Montgomery, Golston, Betts, Marshall and Pierce as UDFAs all came from the draft. It's not like there is even a problem with trading picks for role players. It's that every time we make a deal, we get far sub par league average value for our pick.[/quote]

it's not that they aren't picking decent people, but they're not picking enough, and the big mistakes on FAs are a horrible disadvantage going foward. Our hit rate just isn't high enough to compete with good teams right now.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;232876]Chris Samuels? I agree man, bring back Jake!![/QUOTE]

Jansen and Samuels like to run block, not pass protect. especially for the time it takes Brunell to feel confident enough about his arm and the recievers openess to actually throw the ball. and when he does, it's only a 6yd play so its wash, rinse, repeat over and over, and thats on a GOOD drive.

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I believe a moderate change in philosophy is needed by the skins. What i mean by that is a balance b/n building thru the draft and FA. I believe that building thru FA has cost us chemistry and more importantly DEPTH. When you pick up depth thru FA you are getting others castoffs. There is a reason that teams let people go most of the time. Seeing we have minimal picks next year it might take awhile to fix this.

We also need a quarterback that can take us to the next level. Brunell can't. Campbell is a MAJOR question mark at this point.

Whoever makes the personel decisions needs to stop making personel decisions and get someone who knows what they are doing. Next time we overpay for a pash rusher, it better be for someone that resembles a Dwight Freeney. The next time we overpay for a safety they better be able to cover too.

Gotta go too many things to list...

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Blow it up! Take the 1st rounder and trade down in the draft. We need muliple players at multiple positions.

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Hey...I live Indianapolis and I am so bummed this morning.....The Skins need to start keeping draft picks.....I mean, we have TJ Duckett and no 3rd rounder now....3rd rounders in the past have been guys like Chris Cooley...Also, why do you trade for another 1st rounder in 05' only to spend it on J.Campbell and then not play him....why didn't the Skins take a player who was going to help them immediately like Heath Miller??.....This team just makes me sick

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First of all, as frustrated as I am with this team, I don't think a major blow up is in order. There is a lot of talent out there in Ashburn, we just need to use it properly and add a few key components.

I think the thing we all keep coming back to is something none of us wanted to admit when JG came back...Gibbs needs a top notch personell guy running the show for him. Gibbs the coach is not the guy I want to fire (although the uber conservative play calling is becoming a liability)...Gibbs the GM on the other hand, need to be shown the door. We need a quality pro-personnel director in between Gibbs and Snyder with veto power over the coaching staff. Cerrato must go...he a buddy with the owner and you can't be friends with your boss in football, it doesn't work that way.

Let Gibbs focus on integrating the components of the Gibbs offense and Saunders offense that have worked. I not calling for Saunder's head because I do believe components of his system will work, albeit with some modification to the running plays (play to the O-line's strength, which is power run blocking, not finesse timing stuff).

The key is to have a GM with the final say on personnel calling the shots. Someone with enough backbone to overrule Gibbs where his personal loyalties cloud his judgement (Brunell for example). This would also hopefully fix our propensity to overpay for non-system guys who end up being duds.

Wonder if Danny's dollars could lure a Scott Peoli type from the Pats?

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minimal to moderate. no need to revamp the entire team, but i still suppose there is a need to change more than a few players. I've had enough of Archuletta. I've seen enough of Wright. Please shop or trade for a viable corner. Its time for McIntosh to start. Skins are gonna lose out on both Duckett and Betts to free agency. DO NOT go out and buy every expensive free agent on the market, it doesn't work.

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[QUOTE=Mc2guy;232926]First of all, as frustrated as I am with this team, I don't think a major blow up is in order. There is a lot of talent out there in Ashburn, we just need to use it properly and add a few key components.

I think the thing we all keep coming back to is something none of us wanted to admit when JG came back...Gibbs needs a top notch personell guy running the show for him. Gibbs the coach is not the guy I want to fire (although the uber conservative play calling is becoming a liability)...Gibbs the GM on the other hand, need to be shown the door. We need a quality pro-personnel director in between Gibbs and Snyder with veto power over the coaching staff. Cerrato must go...he a buddy with the owner and you can't be friends with your boss in football, it doesn't work that way.

Let Gibbs focus on integrating the components of the Gibbs offense and Saunders offense that have worked. I not calling for Saunder's head because I do believe components of his system will work, albeit with some modification to the running plays (play to the O-line's strength, which is power run blocking, not finesse timing stuff).

The key is to have a GM with the final say on personnel calling the shots. Someone with enough backbone to overrule Gibbs where his personal loyalties cloud his judgement (Brunell for example). This would also hopefully fix our propensity to overpay for non-system guys who end up being duds.

Wonder if Danny's dollars could lure a Scott Peoli type from the Pats?[/QUOTE]

Isn't it contradictory to say the talent is there but then say we need someone else calling the shots on personnel?

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obtain depth at every position

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[quote=TAFKAS;232876]Chris Samuels? I agree man, bring back Jake!![/quote]

lol, I agree with that.

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[quote=TAFKAS;232937]Isn't it contradictory to say the talent is there but then say we need someone else calling the shots on personnel?[/quote]

I don't think it's a contradiction. There IS a lot of talent on the team...mostly at the offensive skill positions, but I also said that we need to add to a few key positions, and I don't think the UFA route is the best one personally. It seems like we are at about a 30% hit rate with our FA's and we certainly pay too much for them, which hinders our ability to stock depth. A good GM would look to fill the voids through a balanced approach to the draft and free agency. In other words, look at the voids we have while looking for "system" guys that can be productive without breaking the bank allowing for more talented back-ups at positions like O-line and the defensive secondary.

I also said that this GM would have to have the backbone to tell Gibbs when a player was a bum, preferrably in the offseason (i.e., let guys go that can't perform so there isn't an option, Cough *brunell* Cough).

Look at what San Diego did with the QB position in the offseason. Management decided that Brees' trade value exceeded his value to the club, especially with a first round QB pick riding the pine. Marty didn't like it, but it has reaped dividens for the organization. I believe that is what we need in Washington.

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I voted for moderate changes because we do have at this time several needs to be dealt with, mostly on defense, and the kicking game. However since we still have nine games left in this season we'll have to see how it plays out. Our needs could change between now and then. We definately do not need to make wholesale changes, in my opinion that would be a step backwards.

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Provided that Campbell shows some promise, I would make him the starter and not touch any of the other starters on offense. I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman.

On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job.

On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent.

Finally, and MOST importantly, I would keep the entire coaching staff intact.
I honestly believe that our defensive woes are a reflection of the injuries, NOT Williams. I also honestly believe that Saunders' offense will work in year 2. I cannot understand how any fan who has followed the Redskins for any period of time could ask for an overhaul of our coaching staff. Has anyone learned that turnover on the coaching staff wreaks havoc on a team's identity and performance?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;233110]Provided that Campbell shows some promise, I would make him the starter and not touch any of the other starters on offense. I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman.

On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job.

On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent.

Finally, and MOST importantly, I would keep the entire coaching staff intact.





I honestly believe that our defensive woes are a reflection of the injuries, NOT Williams. I also honestly believe that Saunders' offense will work in year 2. I cannot understand how any fan who has followed the Redskins for any period of time could ask for an overhaul of our coaching staff. Has anyone learned that turnover on the coaching staff wreaks havoc on a team's identity and performance?[/QUOTE]



I totally agree about the defense because in all honesty I was shocked at the way this defense played last year considering the talent level. It dosen't suprise me one bit to see it struggle this year with the injuries it's had. I knew when we began to experience injuries on the defense (starting with Springs) we were going to have serious problems. With a team that thin in important area's is bound to take a tumble if injury becomes a factor.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;233110]I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman.

On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job.

On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent.
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so good cb, good dt, good k, good p, backup OL... an we have a 1, 5, 6, 7.

if you want to go for it, there's a possible 2nd round kicker (crosby) that's hit a ton of kicks from 55+, and a great punter (sepulveda) that'll go in the 4th or 5th (averages over 46 per punt, holds on FGs).

for OL, ther's a good top 5 OT, that'd be overkill though :/. I don't know about low rounders, but jahri evans was a great guy available (and known about) in the later part of the second day last year. there is a big (6'0, 198) top 10 cb, but i don't know much about him yet. DT is a bit bare that high up, but there's a couple guys that might go in round 1 (one is around #30-35 though). We don't have enough picks to get all those guys though. either DT/CB, then try and find guys late, or trade down and use the 2nd or 3rd you pick up to get both. i don't see anyone that really stands out (outside quinn or peterson if he declares) yet, but its just too early.

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Minimal. Try and trade down the 1st round pick for 2 2nd rounders, draft a CB and an OL. Don't sign any new starters, just depth. [B][I][U]Start Campbell!!![/U][/I][/B] Run a longer and tougher training camp. The offense will know the system better and there will be better chemistry. We have one of the most talented teams and the best coaches. We don't need to change much. And stop trading away draft picks. The best teams build through the draft.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;233110]Provided that Campbell shows some promise, I would make him the starter and not touch any of the other starters on offense. I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman.

On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job.

On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent.

Finally, and MOST importantly, I would keep the entire coaching staff intact.
I honestly believe that our defensive woes are a reflection of the injuries, NOT Williams. I also honestly believe that Saunders' offense will work in year 2. I cannot understand how any fan who has followed the Redskins for any period of time could ask for an overhaul of our coaching staff. Has anyone learned that turnover on the coaching staff wreaks havoc on a team's identity and performance?[/quote]


jesus...i havent had the heart to post anything after we sucked Manning's wang-dang but,......this is one of the best offseason scenarios/solutions that IVE EVER heard....bank on it...they follow those directions and were 13-3 next season....i havent the heart to post again till we win a fucking game...peace

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I say minimal to moderate. Make the switch to Campbell, that's kind of a big deal. I think that means more than a minimal change. Also, I think you need to make a move for a young corner, a weakside LB, maybe another DT and a DE to replace Daniels. Not all of these need to be starters and not all of them need to be vets. They can draft any of them. I think that the Skins could use a cover saftey, but they're kinda married to Archuleta. Maybe AA will come into his own in the system, but if he's going to, it won't be as a cover guy. They need better corners to help him out.

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[quote=Mattyk72;232756]Sucks to be talking 2007 in October, but that's the hand we've been dealt. Vote and discuss.[/quote]Welcome to my world.

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Moderate - as others said, a QB change is not minimal. I say do that, dump Archesuxa, and pick up some REAL help for the secondary and LBs. Yeah, that should do it.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;233327]Moderate - as others said, a QB change is not minimal. I say do that, dump Archesuxa, and pick up some REAL help for the secondary and LBs. Yeah, that should do it.[/QUOTE]

Dump Archuleta and take a $10 million cap hit? No thanks. As for the LBs, who would you bench? Marshall, Washington, or Rocky (assuming he is slated to start next season)? No thanks. I would, however, like to see a #2, #3 corner though.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;233345]Dump Archuleta and take a $10 million cap hit? No thanks. As for the LBs, who would you bench? Marshall, Washington, or Rocky (assuming he is slated to start next season)? No thanks. I would, however, like to see a #2, #3 corner though.[/QUOTE]
AA can't be cut, obviously, if it costs more than keeping him, but he doesn't have to start.

I never said bench any of our starting LBs - I said get them help. We have no depth right now, and relying on those three to start every down is asking a lot. Plus, McIntosh isn't starting this year, so that's a false option.

Same for our secondary - I'd keep Springs/Rogers/Taylor, and replace AA with a SS starter that can actually, um, I don't know, cover?

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I see 4 needs that we should take best available in the draft. I don't want to see any trading up or down. Use the picks that we have (how many is that? Two?).

O-line
D-line
Corner
Linebacker

I do not want any skill players through the draft or free agency we have plenty. The QB should be our FA focus. I don't mind if they get a FA corner, O or D lineman.

The line is the corps of a unit whether it be offense or defense. I think that everyone would agree that we are weak on both fronts.

Hopefully Pierson can come back and I would like them to hold onto Vincent. I think Vincent is a nice compliment to Taylor.

Force Archuletta and Carter to earn playing time. Unfortunately neither can be cut but Bible thumper Brunell can. Nice knowing you. Thanks for ruining 2 out of your 3 seasons.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;233356]I see 4 needs that we should take best available in the draft. I don't want to see any trading up or down. Use the picks that we have (how many is that? Two?).

O-line
D-line
Corner
Linebacker

I do not want any skill players through the draft or free agency we have plenty. The QB should be our FA focus. I don't mind if they get a FA corner, O or D lineman.

The line is the corps of a unit whether it be offense or defense. I think that everyone would agree that we are weak on both fronts.

Hopefully Pierson can come back and I would like them to hold onto Vincent. I think Vincent is a nice compliment to Taylor.

Force Archuletta and Carter to earn playing time. Unfortunately neither can be cut but Bible thumper Brunell can. Nice knowing you. Thanks for ruining 2 out of your 3 seasons.[/QUOTE]

Decent post until you went and took the shot at Brunell's faith.

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[quote=onlydarksets;233354]AA can't be cut, obviously, if it costs more than keeping him, but he doesn't have to start.

I never said bench any of our starting LBs - I said get them help. We have no depth right now, and relying on those three to start every down is asking a lot. Plus, McIntosh isn't starting this year, so that's a false option.

Same for our secondary - I'd keep Springs/Rogers/Taylor, and replace AA with a SS starter that can actually, um, I don't know, cover?[/quote]


vincent and prioleau (next year) can be those vet min coverage guys at SS. i think starting DT, CB, 6th starter for the OL, starting quality LB (lemar is 30, rocky isn't a sure thing right now), kicker/punter are our needs, in that order... a real pass rushing DE would be nice, but getting an immediate impact player there from the draft is extremely hard, and we've already got 3 starting DEs with a reserve, even though they're all average at best.


and to answer the other question, we have a 1, 5, 6, 7... if denver finishes close to us record wise, there could be a pick swap and we'd have a lower 1st and a 3rd i believe. i think there's a top 10 CB, but not a top 5 one. DE is relatively deep this year though, even though the hit percentage on 1st round DEs is only about 50% (and that's 3 years out, not immediate impact). speed cbs don't look very plentiful right now, but that'll change once the combine rolls around and they start practicing 40s :P.