The Moves We Should Make Next Year (merged)
 

Phillip Daniel, Reynaldo Wynn, Mark Brunnel, and John Hall equals 9.3 million in freed up cap space. They all suck. Does anyone think they will be around next year? For them to retain the guys they have, they have to let some go. These are the most likely candidates. All are shoe ins, except Daniels. Fauria, gives us another million. This will provide us with the room to sign our draft picks. I dont think much else. It does'nt make sense to get rid of Archuletta until 2009. I hope that three weeks from now the Redskins are 4 and 5, and we can stop talking about next year. If the season go bad, it is time to start to build thru the draft. Who ever is making our draft choices and walk on free agents, has done a good job. Just look at Bailey, Smoot, Peirce, and Clark.

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A. Find out if Gibbs is coming back so we can deal with he coaching situation. I prefer Williams which means it probaby won't be him.

B. Clean house in the scouting department. The Archeletta thing is a disaster. Somebody wasn't watching the store.

C. Come up with a five year cap plan that will [B]begin[/B] to get us out of this yearly debacle of extending and overpaying and finagling. How severe we should be will depend on how soon we:

D. Find out about Jason Campbell. If he's a Schuler then it's time to blow the bridge.

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Get a top notch free agent pitcher, the Red Sox just aren't going to get back to the series....oh wait...
1- QB, QB, QB! If we don't let Campbell have his chance this year, there is probably a reason the Skins chose NOT to play him. Let's finally get a marquis qb.
2- fix the CB woes. Archuletta is a bad move, but if we had some coverage in the secondary we could utilyze him as a run stopper.
3- for the love of pete, get a damn pass rusher.

That is all.

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Here's a question for you guys. I'd say the odds are 90-10 that Brunell won't be back next year and I'll say 80-20 that Collins won't be back. So anyhow, assuming Campbell is our guy next year who is the backup?

Do we draft someone we can groom? Or, considering Campbell will essentially be a rookie, do we go after a veteran QB with playing experience. Some possibilities Jake Plummer (I don't like him personally), Chris Simms (if he's not back in Tampa, I think he'll look to start somewhere else), and here's an intriguing one Byron Leftwich (would bring him back home)

Anyway, I don't like thinking about next year yet but I am curious who might be our backup QB. What do you all think?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;236107]

Do we draft someone we can groom? Or, considering Campbell will essentially be a rookie, do we go after a veteran QB with playing experience. Some possibilities Jake Plummer (I don't like him personally), Chris Simms (if he's not back in Tampa, I think he'll look to start somewhere else), and here's an intriguing one Byron Leftwich (would bring him back home)

Anyway, I don't like thinking about next year yet but I am curious who might be our backup QB. What do you all think?[/QUOTE]

I don't like any of the veteran options you mentioned, so I'd go with grooming. In case you haven't noticed, only the Cardinals have a worse record than the skins, that means a high draft pick.

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I don't think the backup is a big deal because Jason will be solidified in the starters' role at that point, barring an unlikely deep Brunell playoff run this season. I think you go the veteran route for the backup and preferably someone with some mobility because all you need is a guy who can win a key game if Jason is hurt. Not a great QB in the long run.

I think Todd Collins will be back next year. Maybe even as the no. 2 guy.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;236117]I don't like any of the veteran options you mentioned, so I'd go with grooming. In case you haven't noticed, only the Cardinals have a worse record than the skins, that means a high draft pick.[/QUOTE]

The lions, 49ers, Bucs, Raiders, Texans, Titans, Steelers, Dolfins, Browns, Bills are all 2-5 or worse so we would probably be looking at a top 10 draft pick at the moment.

Changes I would make are pick up a DE through the draft and look for Nate Clements through FA.

Give the reigns to Cambell. Stick with him despite what the fans say

Re-sign FA Betts, Dock and Cooley.

Take a long hard look at the left hand side of the defence and the LB corp in particular see how to solve that.

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continuity and chemistry are 2 big players in the NFL. if Campbell is the starter, then Collins has to come back. as far as Wynn,hall, brunell, and Daniels, see ya later. if Campbell isn't the starter, i wouldn't be opposed to leftwich, but all his injuries scare me. no way to plummer. and our defense needs a pass rusher,has for years. one pass rusher automatically equals better pass defense

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Start Campbell soon. Draft a DE and cornerback. We need to look hard at a quality backup QB. Not Plummer. Maybe Leftwich.

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Well, we know one thing, we won't be doing much in the draft.

We'll need to trim some fat off the roster and that will involve dumping some of the over 30 crowd.

I guess we'll have to be aggressive in free agency again because what draft picks will we even have?

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It's an ABSOLUTE MUST to land a top CB. That is priority 1, everything else is secondary to that.

We need linebackers out the wazoo. Andre Carter appears to be a big mistake, because while he can get around the edge (only a little bit) he can't stop the run to save his life.

And Campbell needs to start playing to learn this offense.

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Maybe this is too general but...

Get younger (esp on d)
Somehow get more draft picks if not next year the year after
Re-think our front office philosophy

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I agree with the general assessment given by the other posters. These are the moves I think we should make, in order of priority:
1. Start Campbell
2. Shutdown CB
3. Pass rushing DE

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I'm also for the Clements signing. If we have the cash to get him, I'm ALL over that. If we could also get some picks possibly, I'd maybe draft a QB in the late rounds and then sign a vet from another team.

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[quote=TAFKAS;236107]and here's an intriguing one Byron Leftwich (would bring him back home)
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Leftwitch isn't going anywhere, he's injured. If he did, I would pull him in here in a heartbeat... he's a good QB. I don't know if he'd backup JC or not. I think he's a quality starter wherever he plays...

Campbell may be better, though, we just don't know...

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Leftwich is too inconsistent.

Next year is Campbell's time.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;236160]I agree with the general assessment given by the other posters. These are the moves I think we should make, in order of priority:
1. Start Campbell
2. Shutdown CB
3. Pass rushing DE[/QUOTE]

We definitly need to see Campbell play this year, I dont know why people are already pushing him aside, we havent seem him play yet.

We need TWO shutdown corners.

And we need TWO defensive ends and atleast 1 more DT to go with Griffin.

Someone said we need linebackers...I think we are fine there

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Purely speculation, assuming we'll see jc at some point, but what about Matt Schaub from ATL or do we have too much tied up in JC? We've seen stranger things happen from the front office (i believe he'll be a FA).

I guess this is wishful thinking on my part. I'd like to see JC success first but none of us know what we have. I see Matt Schaub as a smart accurate passer that could do real well in a Saunders offense.

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[quote=redsk1;236216]Purely speculation, assuming we'll see jc at some point, but what about Matt Schaub from ATL or do we have too much tied up in JC? We've seen stranger things happen from the front office (i believe he'll be a FA).

I guess this is wishful thinking on my part. I'd like to see JC success first but none of us know what we have. I see Matt Schaub as a smart accurate passer that could do real well in a Saunders offense.[/quote]

Either we hand things off to Campbell or we basically admit he was a HUGE mistake. If he's not ready to go next year then something is seriously, seriously wrong.

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We need at least one other corner and a dominant DE which we haven't had since the Charles Mann days. LB is very thin as well and could use some help.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES;236199]We definitly need to see Campbell play this year, I dont know why people are already pushing him aside, we havent seem him play yet.

We need TWO shutdown corners.

And we need TWO defensive ends and atleast 1 more DT to go with Griffin.

Someone said we need linebackers...I think we are fine there[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, two would be nice ... three would be better ;)

If we got one shutdown corner and one legit pass rushing DE, the rest of our defense would improve greatly -- and we could use the money/picks on other stuff.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;236199]We definitly need to see Campbell play this year, I dont know why people are already pushing him aside, we havent seem him play yet.

We need TWO shutdown corners.

And we need TWO defensive ends and atleast 1 more DT to go with Griffin.

Someone said we need linebackers...I think we are fine there[/quote]

I was the one saying we needed LBs. We're fine with Marcus, that's for sure.

Holdman can't cover, and Marshall has been very lackluster this season. Hopefully Rocky develops into something, but if he doesn't, we're really hurtin at that position.

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I think we draft a MLB too this year if we have any picks left.

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[quote=Schneed10;236236]I was the one saying we needed LBs. We're fine with Marcus, that's for sure.

Holdman can't cover, and Marshall has been very lackluster this season. Hopefully Rocky develops into something, but if he doesn't, we're really hurtin at that position.[/quote]

I agree we could use some LB help. Hopefully Marshall can rebound and McIntosh will be the real deal. Otherwise we could be looking at an overhaul at LB.

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[QUOTE=bedlamVR;236130]The lions, 49ers, Bucs, Raiders, Texans, Titans, Steelers, Dolfins, Browns, Bills are all 2-5 or worse so we would probably be looking at a top 10 draft pick at the moment. [/QUOTE]

The Titans beat us, and we beat the Texans...only the Lions, Miami, and Cards have a worse record. (I was incorrect in saying only the cards were worse, they just happen to have the worst record in football right now). So we can easily be looking at a top 5 pick. Especially since we have a tough schedule and we are sucking. If we can't wake up from this deep sleep vs the cowpatties, a top 5 pick is in our future.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;236107]Here's a question for you guys. I'd say the odds are 90-10 that Brunell won't be back next year and I'll say 80-20 that Collins won't be back. So anyhow, assuming Campbell is our guy next year who is the backup?

Do we draft someone we can groom? Or, considering Campbell will essentially be a rookie, do we go after a veteran QB with playing experience. Some possibilities Jake Plummer (I don't like him personally), Chris Simms (if he's not back in Tampa, I think he'll look to start somewhere else), and here's an intriguing one Byron Leftwich (would bring him back home)

Anyway, I don't like thinking about next year yet but I am curious who might be our backup QB. What do you all think?[/QUOTE]



I, like you do not like the idea of having to think about next year right now, however based on the way things have gone for us thus far, it can't be dismissed as premature judgement.

Our foremost consideration for next year has to be sorting out the QB situation which (in my opinion) is the most important position on the team. We won't have any direction as a team until we decide on who that person is going to be. A great deal of uncertainty complicates the issue because of Gibbs's profound love and commitment to Brunell. If I read you correctly, it is your belief Brunell will not be back next year, assuming you're correct in your thinking (and many of us agree) then we should begin planning now for the changing of the guard. Let's not wait until the beginning of next season to find out whether or not Jason Campbell will be the undisputed leader of this team, the time to find that out is now (through these next eight or nine games) and in so doing, we will erase any "wonder" as to whether or not he has what's neccessary to get the job done. Once the change has been implemented and we can make a true judgement of him based on his play, then we can make other decisions as far as who/what other QB's make up the equation and in what order.

This area of our football team will remain highly speculative until we get a guage on how Gibbs is leaning on the lingering Brunell issue. It may become clearer as the remainder of the season progresses. Other areas of the team will take time to sort out because there are so many issues involved, money, free agency and draft picks head the list. It's going to really be interesting to see how this off-season plays out, mainly because we have so many different issues in so many areas of the team that warrant consideration.

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[quote=jsarno;236270]The Titans beat us, and we beat the Texans...only the Lions, Miami, and Cards have a worse record. (I was incorrect in saying only the cards were worse, they just happen to have the worst record in football right now). So we can easily be looking at a top 5 pick. Especially since we have a tough schedule and we are sucking. If we can't wake up from this deep sleep vs the cowpatties, a top 5 pick is in our future.[/quote]

And if we get a top five pick, who the heck do we take?! :(

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;236260]McIntosh will be the real deal. [/QUOTE]

Why do you think so? He has done nothing to show me at this point, and with the sub par LB play, wouldn't he take over more if he was the real deal? I'm just curious as to what you think here, cause I thought he would be a great addition, now I am not so sure.

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[quote=jsarno;236274]Why do you think so? He has done nothing to show me at this point, and with the sub par LB play, wouldn't he take over more if he was the real deal? I'm just curious as to what you think here, cause I thought he would be a great addition, now I am not so sure.[/quote]

I didn't say he's the real deal, I said hopefully he will be.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;236272]And if we get a top five pick, who the heck do we take?! :([/QUOTE]


I think we are assuming Quinn will be #1, but I just don't see it. I guess we'll know more in the offseason. There are always a plethera of talent in the top 10.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;236275]I didn't say he's the real deal, I said hopefully he will be.[/QUOTE]

My bad, I misunderstood your post.

I guess you're seeing what I am seeing out of McIntosh too eh? (nothing to this point)

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I hate to say it but sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward. What I mean is the Redskins need to stop the pattern of trading away draft picks for over-priced free agents that are not helping the team. STOP THE MADNESS!!! What it will take is a couple of years of building a team. They need to identify their core players; Portis, Cooley, Moss, Washington, Taylor and build around them through the draft and reasonable free agent acquisitions. Stop paying top dollar for mediocre players.

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[quote=Mattyk72;236185]Leftwich is too inconsistent.

Next year is Campbell's time.[/quote]

...and injury prone.

Yep Campbell will be the man next year and hopefully for 8-10 years afterwards. We haven't had a long-term QB since Theismann played for 11 years for us.

Top priority should be DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE! A few CBs, a LB or two and maybe some more reserve linemen.

A kicker we can rely on would help too, if Novak doesn't work out.

Our offense is solid with good playcalling.

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Team needs to get younger on the o-line and d-line. I would take the 1st round draft pick and try to trade down becasue this team needs help in so many areas. I would also try and trade some players that still have value for draft picks.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;236272]And if we get a top five pick, who the heck do we take?! :([/quote]

FIrst of all, we WON'T get a top 5 pick. If we did, we should go for the marquis CB, whomever that is. There's a kid named Leon Hall from Michigan who looks great.

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AH HA! Look what I found...

[url=http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/cb.html]NFL Draft Countdown - Cornerback Rankings[/url]

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[quote=Buster;236289]FIrst of all, we WON'T get a top 5 pick. If we did, we should go for the marquis CB, whomever that is. There's a kid named Leon Hall from Michigan who looks great.[/quote]
I'd select a pass-rushing DE before CB. With our weak pass rush, Champ Bailey himself would have a hard time in this D. Our secondary is much maligned, but you can get by with an average secondary if you have an outstanding pass rush. As poorly as Rogers and others have played at CB, I'm convinced that the talent is there (especially with a healthy Springs). I'm not as certain about Andre Carter suddenly bolstering our pass rush. Get a bonafide pass rusher, and much of this secondary's problems will disappear.

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First, while I appreciate the thought of this thread, I am not - repeat not - ready to give up on this year yet. It's tough sledding but maybe, just maybe we can go 8-1 or 7-2 and make it in. Not counting on it, but not giving up either.

Second, get Clements, start Campbell and draft lineman, defensive and offensive (yes, I know we don't have much in the way of draft but, what we have should be spent on getting younger and better along the lines).

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[QUOTE=Buster;236279]
Yep Campbell will be the man next year and hopefully for 8-10 years afterwards. We haven't had a long-term QB since Theismann played for 11 years for us.[/QUOTE]


This just makes me nervous. Most everyone here (minus myself and a couple others) said Ramsey was the man and will be for years to come. He wasn't. We need to come up with a backup plan for the QB position. I'm not saying Campbell will not become the man, but we have shown and should know by now, the QB position is the most important position on the field. It's hard to find a Brett Favre, or Peyton Manning type QB, so do what the Pats did...find a back up plan and maybe he'll be the next Tom Brady. Never stop looking for talent at the QB position...it's never enough.

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[quote=jsarno;236305]This just makes me nervous. Most everyone here (minus myself and a couple others) said Ramsey was the man and will be for years to come. He wasn't. We need to come up with a backup plan for the QB position. I'm not saying Campbell will not become the man, but we have shown and should know by now, the QB position is the most important position on the field. It's hard to find a Brett Favre, or Peyton Manning type QB, so do what the Pats did...find a back up plan and maybe he'll be the next Tom Brady. Never stop looking for talent at the QB position...it's never enough.[/quote]

They were speaking from hope rather than observations, obviously. I watched Ramsey and saw a guy who never matured as a pro QB. I year 4, he made the same stupid mistakes and decisions he did in his rookie year. Campbell is very smart football-wise (proved that in Auburn with a different system AND sucess every year) and has a ton more ability than Ramsey.

Campbell has the tools to be a great pro QB. The only abilities Ramsey had were the ability to lose the game and the ability to lose his job. I was NEVER confortable with him playing for us. Sure he can throw the ball far...you could get a guy off the street that can do that.

I do agree with you, it wouldn't hurt to have another QB to back up Campbell, but I wouldn't draft one with our other needs. Plus, we don't want to have a backup who isn't developed yet as Campbell has been developed and prepared. We should go after a young backup like Volek or Schaub. We also don't want Campbell to get the feeling we're replacing him with another draft pick. I hope we don't keep Todd Collins for our #2 next year, assuming Brunell retires...which may not happen. Having Brunell as Campbell's backup would be fine with me next year, however, we can't rely on that for more than a year...so a backup plan for the future IS needed.