Brady or Manning?
 

Both guys looked unbelievable this week. Who would you rather have??? I'd go with brady, he seems more unflappable, Manning falls apart when he's faced with adversity. What do you think.

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Manning will get you to the post season.

Brady will win in the post season.

I would rather have Manning.

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Brady does a bunch of stuff really well and is a great player.

Peyton is on a whole different level. He may be top five of all time, and could be higher when he's finished.

I'll take Peyton.

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I don't like how when they lose, manning finds somewhere to place the blame (The O-line against Pitt). He sometimes expects too much out of his players, while brady always performs in any conditions. Plus brady doesnt have harrison and Wayne, I wonder how manning wouldve handled losing all of his receivers. But i'll admit, the pats D has always been much better than the colts, which is a HUGE factor.

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Tom Brady wins no matter who is around him. I like them both and Peyton's numbers are impossible to argue with. However, I think the rings speak louder than anything else. Let's see what happens now that Peyton has Vinatieri, though. I say, let's get through this year and then have this conversation again. I think I'd rather have Manning, but he's not really the great big game QB. Hard to say...one thing I do know, I'd take either over any qb the Skins have had in the last 14 years!

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Until last night, I leaned towards Manning but now I give the nod to Brady.

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isn't winning the name of the game? Brady is the man. manning can get you close, but no cigar. Brady's cast has change alot over the last couple of seasons, but the results remain the same. manning has basically had the same team around him ( other than James) for about the last 5 seasons

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Brady is the easy choice. Until Manning starts bringing home some hardware, he's just the Marino to Brady's Montana.

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peyton=Marino Brady is the man and will be for a long time.

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Both are great. Their teams are fun to watch. It's not always a legit opinion to say Manning has never won the SB so Brady's better. For some qb's i can see that, but not for Manning. I would like to think if Manning played for the Patriots he would have a couple few trophies by now, right? I think he would.

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I'd give the edge to Manning. I think he's just more of a presence out there. Now, Brady is still a great QB, but I think Manning's definitely got more on his shoulders.

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It could be said that Brady has had a great set of talent around him, coaching, defense, he had it all. For years, Manning played with a shitty defense and even then he was basically a coach playing QB.

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[quote=GTripp0012;236822]Brady does a bunch of stuff really well and is a great player.

Peyton is on a whole different level. He may be top five of all time, and could be higher when he's finished.

I'll take Peyton.[/quote]

To me Tom Brady is just about on the same level with some of the greats of all time and it's Manning who is a step below. Brady does a bunch of stuff better than almost any quarteback I have ever seen. His overall football IQ is higher than Manning who seems to be missing something although nobody is quite sure what that is because his numbers are so ridiculous.

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You could easily say though that Manning has had more offensive weapons around him. He's playing with two #1 caliber WRs in Harrison and Wayne. Brady has never had one WR of that quality let alone two. Manning also played for years with Edge. The best back Brady has had is Dillon and they caught him on the downside of his career.

Going back to his college days Manning has never won "the big one".

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" the big one?" insert your own joke here

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Could you imagine what Brady's numbers could be if he played in a dome?

They're both awesome, cant go wrong either way

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[quote=skins268;236846]peyton=Marino Brady is the man and will be for a long time.[/quote]

Peyton = Elway

He will get one before it's all over.

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by far brady. he is a winner plain and simple

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;236895]You could easily say though that Manning has had more offensive weapons around him. He's playing with two #1 caliber WRs in Harrison and Wayne. Brady has never had one WR of that quality let alone two. Manning also played for years with Edge. The best back Brady has had is Dillon and they caught him on the downside of his career.

Going back to his college days Manning has never won "the big one".[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of the greatness from the Indy receivers just comes from the contintuity that there has been in that organization. The level of chemistry among Harrison, Wayne and Manning makes them a lot better than if any of those players went to another system. I'd still take Manning since I think some of the Pats success comes more from the coaching staff, but its very close.

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I think a more important question is who do I start this weekend on my fantasy team. NE Defense against Indy, or Indy Defense against NE?

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[quote=dall-assblows;236959]by far brady. he is a winner plain and simple[/quote]

Exactly. If you are talking fantasy, hands down Peyton. But Brady is a winner. That is all that matters.

EDIT: Manning tends to complain alot, which I find quite annoying. You tend not to hear much out of Brady.

Brady also takes paycuts to help the front office out, in keeping players. You almost NEVER hear of that in the NFL these days.

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[quote=TAFKAS;237063]I think a more important question is who do I start this weekend on my fantasy team. NE Defense against Indy, or Indy Defense against NE?[/quote]


Start NE defense. First of all they are playing at NE, which I think is huge. Plus Manning has a record of 3-10 vs the Pats. Go with NE D, Manning will put up high numbers, but he will throw picks and/or fumble.

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[quote=61cad;236906]Peyton = Elway

He will get one before it's all over.[/quote]


So I guess the question is Elway or Montana then? In my eyes it is Montana.
Brady, like Montana is a winner. And Brady has proven time and time again that he can bring his team back into the game, just like Joe Cool did back in the day. I have yet to see Peyton consistently do so.

Also when under severe pressure, like agaisnt the Steelers last year, Peyton starts looking like Eli.

Just one ring from Peyton would not automatically put him above Brady, in my books. There simply is no comparision until Peyton gets atleast 2 rings, if not more.

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The only way to truly settle that debate is for the 2 to change teams, sometimes schemes have as much to do with a players success as talent itself, I alway's felt Marino would have at least 4 or 5 rings if he played for us in the 80's, Many QB's have had great success in the 9er's offense. I personally believe there is a lesser desparity between Brady and Manning as far as offense goes, both play in offenses that throw downfield, not a dink and dunk style O, Manning does have the benefit of playing in a dome most of the time, I also feel he has better talent around him, the equalizer is Brady has better coaching around him.

Bottom line it has to be Brady, I believe he's better than Montana. Peyton may get there but he has a long way to go to be considered as good as Brady.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;236817]Both guys looked unbelievable this week. Who would you rather have??? I'd go with brady, he seems more unflappable, Manning falls apart when he's faced with adversity. What do you think.[/quote]


Brady. Can Danny sign him ?

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I'd take either over anything we have. Hell, maybe Brady and Manning might have pets who could start at the Skins?

If the roles were reversed , do you think that Brunell would have won superbowls with the Pats and Brady with the Skins?

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[quote=dall-assblows;236959]by far brady. he is a winner plain and simple[/quote]Manning isn't?

Peyton Manning (2001-2006): 60-25*

Tom Brady (2001-2006): 64-21**

*excludes final 2 games of 2005
**excludes final game of 2005

Since they both boast ridiculous winning percentages, I'd call them both "winners". Of course, it's just a game and everybody's a winner:food-smil.


You win and lose as a team.

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It seems like the big debate is SB Rings, and Brady does has the advantage in that category. However, I'm not ready to hand the title of Next Montana to Brady just yet. While he has done a tremendous amount in the first half of his career, let's wait and see how he continues to perform.

As GTripp has pointed out, you win and lose as a team, and while NE may not have the superstars that Indy has had, they have had a coaching staff that has been able to have their players execute to perfection. Indy has had Jim Mora and Tony Dungy, 2 qualified Head Coaches, but neither big offensive minds. While Belicheck isn't one either, he had Charlie Weis and now a disciple to run the offense.

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Tom Brady is the coolest quarterback under fire. There is no current quarterback that I would rather have under center in the last few minutes of the game and my team needs a score. I'm not knocking Peyton Manning, he definitely gets the job done, but if I had to choose between the two, I'll take Cool Hand Tom.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins;237290]Tom Brady is the coolest quarterback under fire. There is no current quarterback that I would rather have under center in the last few minutes of the game and my team needs a score. I'm not knocking Peyton Manning, he definitely gets the job done, but if I had to choose between the two, I'll take Cool Hand Tom.[/QUOTE]

Did you see the look on Peyton's face after Denver tied the game up with about a minute left on Sunday? He looked like an assassin or something; like he was in just the position that he wanted to be in. It was pretty amazing to watch, IMO.
Now, if he can just act that way in January...

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Both are, of course, great quarterbacks. I would, however, give the nod to Brady as the better quarterback. Brady has done so much, with such average talent around him. Manning, on the other hand, has done a lot, but he's had a great O-line, great wideouts, good TEs, and good running backs.

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can you believe its been 20+ years since the skins have had an all pro-caliber franchise QB...

:madani:

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;237296]Both are, of course, great quarterbacks. I would, however, give the nod to Brady as the better quarterback. Brady has done so much, with such average talent around him. Manning, on the other hand, has done a lot, but he's had a great O-line, great wideouts, good TEs, and good running backs.[/QUOTE]

I sort of disagree that Brady's only had average talent around him. I'll give you the skill positions on offense, Manning obviously has had the advantage there, but the o-lines are pretty similiar in terms of talent. NE/Brady have also had the better defense since 2001, which has probably allowed them to win some games that they wouldn't have otherwise.
And finally, the kicker. If it weren't for Adam Vinaterri (sp?) NE may not have even gotten to the Super Bowl in 2002. Who knows what would happened after that.

A lot of people are saying they'd rather have Brady because of the Super Bowl wins, but I don't know how fair that really is. Brady is obviously a winner and a great field general, but I still think Manning is a better QB.

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the one thing that separates the two QB's is the mental strength of Brady, and lack their of in peyton.

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brady. he's throwing to D list receivers... hell, he made david patten look good ;) oh yeah, and the rings, and taking less money. i'll take winning over stats.

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IMO, if anything, Peyton mentally is far beyond any QB in the NFL, much less Brady. No one prepares himself more for any game than Peyton. He knows the situations and the angles inside and out. If he doesn't already, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't call his own game ala Jim Kelly.

Granted, Peyton can be mental, but that is certainly a different meaning...

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that doesnt mean he has strong mental strength, mental strength is tested when you face adversity, when something goes wrong. Peyton doesnt bounce back well from failure, brady does.

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Brady by far 3 SB's is enough for me. Manning could become another Marino with great stats but no SB.

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Listening to NFL radio today this subject came up. One caller in particular made an excellent point. He says he is sick of hearing the 3 super bowl rings as the reason Brady is a superior quarterback. First of all, it's nearly impossible to base an individual position on winning. Winning comes from a whole team not one person, the only reliable way to look at it is stats, and even those are flawed.

He also said everyone notes how great Brady would be with those receivers, but fail to look at the flip-side. How good would Manning be with that defense?

If given my pick, I'd take Manning in a second. Switch Manning with Brady, and I feel that Manning has 3, maybe more, rings too.

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Damn you Daseal, I just said that. (sort of)