Mel Kiper on Monk
 

Mel Kiper Jr was on ESPN radio last night and was asked by the host, Jason Smith what he thought about Curtis Martin being considered for the Hall of Fame. Kiper went off. He said the HoF was a joke and that it was a travesty that Art Monk isn't in already. He said the selection process was no more than a bunch of guys sitting in a room and throwing out names. He mentioned bias, vindictive attitudes and sabotage when sending or preventing players from the Hall. He was extremely upset about Monk and said that the HOF was essentially a joke. It was great to hear him so passionate about our boy Art.

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That just made my day a little brighter.

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He said Lenny P told him how they select the HoF'ers. Sit in a room and throw darts at a list of names.

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How did the host respond to the Monk comments?

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Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;237708]Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.[/QUOTE]

But Martin will benifit from playing more of his career in the internet/fantasy football/NFL Network era. More people probably know about martin and his accomplishments and that's why he's getting the pub now. Plus, he's just now retiring, so that helps.
Just a thought.

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[quote=Mattyk72;237708]Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.[/quote]
Very well said Matty. Neither player ever tooted their own horn, they just showed up, and did their respective jobs very well over many years. That Monk has 3 rings as part of his strong resume makes his snub even a greater travesty.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;237710]But Martin will benifit from playing more of his career in the internet/fantasy football/NFL Network era. More people probably know about martin and his accomplishments and that's why he's getting the pub now. Plus, he's just now retiring, so that helps.
Just a thought.[/quote]

Very true.

Back when Monk played we didn't have the internet and the 24/7 in your face media coverage.

But the guys that vote are all old enough to have seen Monk play with their own eyes. That alone should speak for itself.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;237713]Very well said Matty. Neither player ever tooted their own horn, they just showed up, and did their respective jobs very well over many years. That Monk has 3 rings as part of his strong resume makes his snub even a greater travesty.[/QUOTE]

I think that is the biggest single reason why Monk isn't in the HoF. Unfortunately, self-promoters make the highlight reels and get more than their fair share of praise.

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The HOF is a joke and that's sad. I just can't believe that players like Lynn Swann, the other steeler wr ---can't think of his name, are in the HOF w/ #'s that are not even in the same league as monk's.

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Wow...Kiper made some huge points with me on that. I think the guy gets unfairly ridiculed a lot and this confirms to me that he does have some sense at least.

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Well, at the rate LT and a couple of others (Alexander, possibly Dunn, maybe Jamal Lewis) are going, Martin might not be in 4th place by the time he's eligible for the HoF. I'll be interested to hear Peter King explain that one if Monk isn't in the Hall by then, since he uses that excuse against Monk.

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[quote=FRPLG;237728]Wow...Kiper made some huge points with me on that. I think the guy gets unfairly ridiculed a lot and this confirms to me that he does have some sense at least.[/quote]
i have always had respect for kiper. he studies football, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. he was a draft connoisseur long before it was cool. and generally knows what he is talking about

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[QUOTE=dmek25;237748]i have always had respect for kiper. he studies football, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. he was a draft connoisseur long before it was cool. and generally knows what he is talking about[/QUOTE]
That is basically my feeling but youi hear a lot of people bashing him for some reason. Maybe because he is so opionated. The guy lives and breathes the draft 24/7/365. He literally only does NFL draft prep for the entire year for his job. He knows what he is talking about better than almost anyone alive. Even college scouts don't know as much as he does.

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I have always told my wife that WHEN Monk gets in we are going no matter what. He'll get in. Just don't know when.

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its a disgrace that he's not in...
parcells said monk would be going downhill on rollerskates when asked about the ease of monk's hall prospects.

the man retired with many many recieving records, its not his fault that the great one came and destroyed them...he is a prince and a scholar.

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Dude is an authority! Sort of like............................Sean Salisbury.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;237708]Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.[/QUOTE]

To say Martin had a successful career is an understatement, Martin is the #4 all time leading rusher. He's a lock for the HoF.

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[quote=irish;237781]To say Martin had a successful career is an understatement, Martin is the #4 all time leading rusher. He's a lock for the HoF.[/quote]

And Monk was #1 in receptions when he retired yet he's still on the outside looking in.

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Why can't we hire Mel as our GM, imagine how good we could be with kiper and gibbs and saunders.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;237793]And Monk was #1 in receptions when he retired yet he's still on the outside looking in.[/QUOTE]

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.

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Wow! Way to go! I am officially a Milk Hyper supporter.

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[quote=irish;237822]Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.[/quote]

Monk gets the shaft on many levels. He played in a day where catching 100 balls in a season was unheard of... and he was the first to do it! With how pass happy the NFL has become, it's only made his accomplishments seem that much more insignificant which is sad.

It should be interesting to see what happens with Martin. I'm really not sure that he's a lock. There are a lot of people out there that differ on Martin and even Bettis.

If I had a vote, I'd put Martin in. To me his numbers tell the story.

#4 on the rushing list
14,101 yards
90 TDs
10 straight 1000 yard seasons
5 seasons of 1300 or better
4.0 avg
4 seasons of double digit TDs

He was consistently one of the better backs in this league for a long time.

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C-Mart should definitely go to the hall. But it is a popularity contest, and totally subjective -- so he may not get the credit he deserves (like many others I'm sure) :(

Monk was just passed by Isaac Bruce for 10th all time in receiving yards. That means that only 10 people have more career receiving yards than Monk -- in the entire history of professional football! How can you argue that a guy who is the 11th best receiver ever (based on yardage) is not good enough? You can't.

If I were Monk, and got accepted to the hall I would boycott. But, I would wait to be on stage giving my acceptance speech when I would express my feelings. It would be on camera and much more dramatic.

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[QUOTE=irish;237822]Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.[/QUOTE]

not HoF material? WTF? You call yourself a Skins fan?!?!

And by the way if receptions and rushing yards aren't comparable then what receiving stat is comparable?

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[quote=FRPLG;237839]not HoF material? WTF? You call yourself a Skins fan?!?!

And by the way if receptions and rushing yards aren't comparable then what receiving stat is comparable?[/quote]

I think he meant he doesn't see Martin as Hall-worthy.

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ods - reread Irish's statement "Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material." He was talking of Monk...

while I disagree with his statement, he seems to share an opinion with those who do the HoF voting...

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My bad - I was looking at the second part about CM. I guess I found it unfathomable that a knowledgeable football fan (other thank King) would suggest Monk isn't HoF material, and I consider irish pretty knowledgeable.

That just doesn't make any sense.

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Brunell HOF????

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I also think they should make Tagliabue wait 5 years.

And I agree, [B][I][U]WHEN[/U][/I][/B] Monk makes it, I will be in Canton.

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I will also make the trip to Canton if Monk gets in. I'm thinking the idiots might put him in this year to shut everyone up for awhile.

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Oh and also I want a Mel Kiper tshirt!

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[quote=redsk1;237724]The HOF is a joke and that's sad. I just can't believe that players like Lynn Swann, the other steeler wr ---can't think of his name, are in the HOF w/ #'s that are not even in the same league as monk's.[/quote]

Stallworth deserves to be there I believe...I am making the trip to canton when Monk gets enshrined...either that or next year when green gets in

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;237895]Stallworth deserves to be there I believe...I am making the trip to canton when Monk gets enshrined...either that or next year when green gets in[/quote]

Yea, i'm not exactly sure about Stallworths #'s so i probably shouldn't have included him in there. I guess my point is that if WR's are in w/ significantly lower #'s than monk should be in too.

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[quote=redsk1;237898]Yea, i'm not exactly sure about Stallworths #'s so i probably shouldn't have included him in there. I guess my point is that if WR's are in w/ significantly lower #'s than monk should be in too.[/quote]
Monk retired with more receptions than Swann and Stallworth COMBINED. The upside for them was winning 4 Super Bowls and making huge plays in those games. Monk will get in once asses like Peter King get off their high horses and stop speaking against him.

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[quote=irish;237822]Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.[/quote]
Receiving yards and rushing yards are comparable, and Monk retired top-5 in receiving yards in addition to #1 in receptions. Those two alone should have been plenty to get Monk in (not to mention his 3 rings). Had he spent his career in a pass-first West Coast Offense, there's no telling how much greater his stats would have been.

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The HOF process seems to be like a school yard bully situation where the loudest spouters get their way and the silent majority just goes along with them...

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i read an article somewhere that most HoFs for sports blow. i think they were bitching about joe dumars being in the hall. i sort of agree. too many people get in it seems.

i guess it's not so bad for the NFL but still...

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[quote=Mattyk72;237828]Monk gets the shaft on many levels. He played in a day where catching 100 balls in a season was unheard of... and he was the first to do it! With how pass happy the NFL has become, it's only made his accomplishments seem that much more insignificant which is sad.

It should be interesting to see what happens with Martin. I'm really not sure that he's a lock. There are a lot of people out there that differ on Martin and even Bettis.

If I had a vote, I'd put Martin in. To me his numbers tell the story.

#4 on the rushing list
14,101 yards
90 TDs
10 straight 1000 yard seasons
5 seasons of 1300 or better
4.0 avg
4 seasons of double digit TDs

He was consistently one of the better backs in this league for a long time.[/quote]Winning the rushing title at age 32 is more impressive to me than John Elways back to back SBs at 36 and 37. Not to take anything away from Elway, but to, in an offense-happy season (2004), outrush every other running back in the league when not a soul thought you had another 1000 yard season left in you was incredible.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;237934]Winning the rushing title at age 32 is more impressive to me than John Elways back to back SBs at 36 and 37. Not to take anything away from Elway, but to, in an offense-happy season (2004), outrush every other running back in the league when not a soul thought you had another 1000 yard season left in you was incredible.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Everyone was SO down on him that year (I guess b/c he only scored 2 TDs the previous year). He was virtually ignored in my fantasy draft, and I ended up getting him late and winning the title. Following him that year was unbelievable. All I can remember thinking was, "this is the week he crashes back down to Earth," -- but it never happened.