Troy Vincent - New heart of the Skins?
 

He is according to B-Mitch. He speaks very highly of him and I couldn't be more happy that we've got him.

It would be a sad indictment of a team that we have to bring in an unsigned vet to create 'heart'.

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hes our new starting SS and blocked the kick, was the first guy on the field to tackle novak, experienced in the nfc east...so glad we got him. heart of the skins? i dont think so since hes only been here 2.5 weeks, but he is a key player for us already

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i wonder when the last time Vincent played on special teams? after watching the replay, i think the kick would have gotten blocked by someone else, if Vincent would not have got to it

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Just heard it was with Brian Mitchell in the late 90's, early 2000 season.

He said that TV was a great ST's player back then also.

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Love him today...but lets not get carried away.

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im carried away!

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;240172]He is according to B-Mitch. He speaks very highly of him and I couldn't be more happy that we've got him.

It would be a sad indictment of a team that we have to bring in an unsigned vet to create 'heart'.[/QUOTE]

It is also a sad indictment of the skins talent evaluation that this guy comes in off the street and displaces one of the skins big $ off-season signings.

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Whatever. Archuleta can give back money LaVar-style. :D

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[QUOTE=irish;240209]It is also a sad indictment of the skins talent evaluation that this guy comes in off the street and displaces one of the skins big $ off-season signings.[/QUOTE]

Or, you could praise them for realizing a mistake and signing an aging vet who some thought would never play again and getting production out of him. Granted the Archuleta foul-up was a BIG one, but Vincent's signing was a good one.

Yeah, the FO screwed up, but I'm smelling nothing but roses this morning.

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If Mitchell says it it's gotta be true.

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[quote=irish;240209]It is also a sad indictment of the skins talent evaluation that this guy comes in off the street and displaces one of the skins big $ off-season signings.[/quote]

It is common knowledge that we have the second worst front office in the league. The worst is Buffalo, who let Vincent walk for nothing and are still paying him.

But lets not sell Vincent short. This isn't Garnell Wilds (sp?). This is a guy who was a stud for years and is still pretty good.

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On the whole Archuleta thing, sure he might have been a bust, but ya know what? Mistakes happen.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;240232]It is common knowledge that we have the second worst front office in the league. The worst is Buffalo, who let Vincent walk for nothing and are still paying him.

But lets not sell Vincent short. This isn't Garnell Wilds (sp?). This is a guy who was a stud for years and is still pretty good.[/QUOTE]

I'd say our free agent acquisitions of 2004 got us our first playoff win since 1999. Marcus Washington, Clinton Portis, Cornelius Griffin, Phillip Daniels, and Shawn Springs were excellent additions. They also got us Chris Cooley, not too shabby either. They also got us Lemar Marshall and Joe Salave'a, not bad for UFAs. They also got us your man Sean Taylor.

In 2005 we got Santana Moss, not bad there either.

This last year's free agent acquisitions are the only real bad ones we've had since 2000 and the book isn't exactly written on them.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;240272]I'd say our free agent acquisitions of 2004 got us our first playoff win since 1999. Marcus Washington, Clinton Portis, Cornelius Griffin, Phillip Daniels, and Shawn Springs were excellent additions. They also got us Chris Cooley, not too shabby either. They also got us Lemar Marshall and Joe Salave'a, not bad for UFAs. They also got us your man Sean Taylor.

In 2005 we got Santana Moss, not bad there either.

This last year's free agent acquisitions are the only real bad ones we've had since 2000 and the book isn't exactly written on them.[/quote]


Sheriff, I don't have the time or energy to point out the blunders of the current administration. Now one thing we can do is spend and just like in life, money can fix mistakes. Just ask Pac-man, Kobe, Chris Henry....

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;240277]Sheriff, I don't have the time or energy to point out the blunders of the current administration. Now one thing we can do is spend and just like in life, money can fix mistakes. Just ask Pac-man, Kobe, Chris Henry....[/QUOTE]

I agree that they've made mistakes (e.g. Archuleta), but I don't think they're one of the worst front offices in the league. They're mediocre/average IMHO.

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he is quickly becoming on of my favorite skins right now

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Arch was not a front office deal only. Williams wanted him and said so. I think our FO has done a decent job bringing in guys who have contributed. Our drafts have been below average but not disasters. Disasters are Shuler, Westbrook type picks. So far the guys have been contributors. I don't think we've been good but we haven't been horrible. Not good enough though. Arch is back to playing the position he was brought in for. Run playing safety. When Priloeau went he had to play more than they wanted to originally. Now he can do what he does best. Vincent started because of the play call not because he is necesarilly above Arch. Just different packages.

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Barring injury Archuletta is a role player going forward. I just hope they keep Vincent after this year.

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I hope we can somehow finagle a few draft picks and maybe draft a safety. Doughty always seems to be out of position when he IS in there.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;240296]Barring injury Archuletta is a role player going forward. I just hope they keep Vincent after this year.[/QUOTE]

I think they will, as long as he doesn't retire.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;240278]I agree that they've made mistakes (e.g. Archuleta), but I don't think they're one of the worst front offices in the league. They're mediocre/average IMHO.[/QUOTE]

If you think the skins are mediocre I cant help but wonder who you think is worse. Nobody in the league spends more and gets less than the skins. I think the skins are worse than buffalo because buffalo made one bad move with vincent while the skins have made so many bad moves over the past 5+ years we dont have time to list them all.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;240301]I think they will, as long as he doesn't retire.[/quote]

he has said that he wants to play for a while longer and felt he still had stuff to give

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The reality is though that we can afford to be a bit more "reckless" in our free agent approach. I understand there's a salary cap but there are admittedly so many loopholes that the Snyders of the world can and do take advantage of.

Moreover, I think we're overly critical of this front office because we're so "involved" with this team. But I mean we praise the Eagles yet what has Jevon Kearse done for them? No one talks about the Cowboys blowing money on Wiley or the Falcons on Peerles Price. We say why can't the Redskins keep their players and build chemistry but then we turn around and praise the Patriots for their fiscal responsibility letting player after player go each year.

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[QUOTE=irish;240310]If you think the skins are mediocre I cant help but wonder who you think is worse. Nobody in the league spends more and gets less than the skins. I think the skins are worse than buffalo because buffalo made one bad move with vincent while the skins have made so many bad moves over the past 5+ years we dont have time to list them all.[/QUOTE]

After suffering for years, this front office took us back to the playoffs. Granted, they should be doing that more consistently, but they took us there nonetheless. For that simple reason, they get a pass on boneheaded moves like Arch.

Please list off the names of those free agents who you think have been busts since 2004 (which marks the beginning of this front office's tenure). Then list who you think were good acquisitions. The good ones outweigh the bad ones by a mile and we have yet to bite the "salary cap" bullet. You've got to give them credit for avoiding salary cap doom.

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For me, if we're going to spend on FA again, and we're going to break the bank, I want us to just SIGN the big name. We could have had a number of defensive ends and safeties. We all know GW thinks he can coach talent into people, but sometimes I just want the sure thing.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;240327]For me, if we're going to spend on FA again, and we're going to break the bank, I want us to just SIGN the big name. We could have had a number of defensive ends and safeties. We all know GW thinks he can coach talent into people, but sometimes I just want the sure thing.[/QUOTE]

The only big-name I'd go for is Dwight Freeney and he'd probably break the bank.

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I've got a lot of respect for Brian Mitchell. He will tell it like it is. There are a couple of things that i don't agree w/ him on but for the most part i think he is dead on. Troy V is a good pickup for us. He knows how to play and I think he is going to do us a lot of good the 2nd half of the season.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;240329]The only big-name I'd go for is Dwight Freeney and he'd probably break the bank.[/quote]

We always can find some money for big names. Nate Clements is who I WANT.

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[quote=irish;240310]If you think the skins are mediocre I cant help but wonder who you think is worse. Nobody in the league spends more and gets less than the skins. I think the skins are worse than buffalo because buffalo made one bad move with vincent while the skins have made so many bad moves over the past 5+ years we dont have time to list them all.[/quote]

Irish, did you see or read about Buffalo's draft this last year? Analysts were dumbfounded.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;240337]We always can find some money for big names. Nate Clements is who I WANT.[/QUOTE]

Oops, I forgot about him.

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[quote=RedskinRat;240172]He is according to B-Mitch. He speaks very highly of him and I couldn't be more happy that we've got him.

It would be a sad indictment of a team that we have to bring in an unsigned vet to create 'heart'.[/quote]Well, we are talking about the representitive to the freakin players association, so obviously you are getting an intelligent, high character, leader. I think he noticed some very minor internal locker room problems associated to the losing streak, and coming in from the outside was a breath of fresh air.

The fact that we won the Dallas game in dramatic style fixes our internal problems. Winning is the universal cure.

If we can upset Phili, I'll call a playoff berth.

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[QUOTE=celts32;240185]Love him today...but lets not get carried away.[/QUOTE]



Like the play he made on the FG to help us win the game yesterday, but I'm not going to be so quick to anoint him with any fancy acolades just yet. If my memory serves me correctly it was 22 & 23 in the chase position on the sure TD pass that owens dropped, had he caught it we might be saying something else about #23 because the game would not have been as close as it was at the end. I'm just trying to keep it real.

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if chemistry problems were (what the sideline reporter called) the true problem with the Skins, I think Vincent may be the elixer... this guy seems like a vet who leads by example, not just on the field with his play. He saved our hopes for at least one more week...

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Remember those years when the Vikings couldn't get their draft picks in on time?

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Vicent was great, but alot of you guys are quickly forgetting how he got burned and almost lost us the game. I think we owe T.O. a big thank you as well.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;240337]We always can find some money for big names. Nate Clements is who I WANT.[/QUOTE]

yes yes yes.

proven and YOUNG(ish) at a position we actually do need a big upgrade at. the opposite of our Absolutely Awesome safety situation :doh:

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how long are we stuck with AA?


i think troy vincent will help ST too by putng him in position to make plays like clark

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archaletta will be here awhile since he just signed the past year!

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[quote=dall-assblows;240436]how long are we stuck with AA?


i think troy vincent will help ST too by putng him in position to make plays like clark[/quote]

I would say that they have to keep him at least one more year. He gets a 5million dollar signing bonus check next year. I would imagine that check will be a tough one for the Danny to sign.

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i think if you give him a while,he'll make at least 1 big play.i'd like to see the skins keep him,he has a superbowl ring too from new england does'nt he?