Rumsfeld stepping down
 

Not trying to start a political thread just wanted to let it be known:

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/rumsfeld.ap/index.html]GOP officials: Rumsfeld stepping down - CNN.com[/url]

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Good riddance, Ronald Dumbsfeld!

(not intended to offend any dumbsfeld fans)

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You think they'll go after Gregg Williams now?

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What a punkass, stepping down because the writing is on the wall with the democrats taking control. Talk about 'cut and run'.

There's something really satisfying about seeing the Republicans sweating today.

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That's what I was thinking. I heard it was because he was going to face charges. What a puss.

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Rumsfeld knew it was all over when Bush walked into his office and said, "Rummy, you're doin' a heck'av a job..."

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No shit, That kind of suprises me.

I'm curious is to why It wasn't sooner...

Theres going to be some major policy changes coming. It kind of makes me nervous... I really think this war issue needs to be taken seriously, and not influenced by the fickle public opinion. Kind of worries me.

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The morons on the Hill, as well as Dubya's buddy who's taking over for Rummy, all know that the worst thing we can do is pull directly out of Iraq. At least I hope so...

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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/07/AR2006110701647.html"]Election Problems[/URL]

It's amazing this shit happens

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Politics suck....nobody is ever happy regardless of who is in power.

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie;241692]The morons on the Hill, as well as Dubya's buddy who's taking over for Rummy, all know that the worst thing we can do is pull directly out of Iraq. At least I hope so...[/QUOTE]
One ot eh guys I was tailgating with on Sunday just got home from Iraq. He'd been there most recently as a civilian contractor, but he was also previously there with the USMC. He said he can't imagine the US pulling out for a few [I]decades[/I] and he said that the military is currently building at least 3 permanent bases in Iraq.

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[quote=Mattyk72;241672]What a punkass, stepping down because the writing is on the wall with the democrats taking control. Talk about 'cut and run'.

There's something really satisfying about seeing the Republicans sweating today.[/quote]
this is almost as gratifying as the skins winning. lets get someone who will look after us common, ordinary folk. i bet you the big business of america is pissed right now

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Can anyone name a Politician who looks after the 'common, ordinary folk'.

Sadly the whole political scene seems to poison the people involved.

Am I just that cynical?

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No, that seems about the jist of it. It's like I always feel the people are involved only for personal gain anyway.

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Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goooood-bye.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;241684]No shit, That kind of suprises me.

I'm curious is to why It wasn't sooner...

Theres going to be some major policy changes coming. It kind of makes me nervous... I really think this war issue needs to be taken seriously, and not influenced by the fickle public opinion. Kind of worries me.[/QUOTE]

you kidding? 6 1/2 years isn't fickle. you really going to say Rumsfeld didn't have a chance?

i hate these near-sighted, 'efficiency expert', bean-counters who just look at math and have never had first hand experience being in charge of so many people's lives. people like McNamara and Rumsfeld.

i think thats why i generally shudder at people who just go by things like 'stats'.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;241712]No, that seems about the jist of it. It's like I always feel the people are involved only for personal gain anyway.[/quote]

Or the hot intern action, which I commend.

"I like make sexy with young lady, is niiiiice." If I were Gov.

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HAHAHA. Am I the only one who would have done stuff with Monica? She wasn't THAT BAD. :mad:

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;241738]HAHAHA. Am I the only one who would have done stuff with Monica? She wasn't THAT BAD. :mad:[/quote]


Yes.

:spank:

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She's not THAT bad. AND she has huge breasts.

[IMG]http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue9901/images/Monica1.JPG[/IMG]

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This is definitely a fight I won't win, but at least I'm not ashamed. :D

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[quote=illdefined;241725]you kidding? 6 1/2 years isn't fickle. you really going to say Rumsfeld didn't have a chance?

i hate these near-sighted, 'efficiency expert', bean-counters who just look at math and have never had first hand experience being in charge of so many people's lives. people like McNamara and Rumsfeld.

i think thats why i generally shudder at people who just go by things like 'stats'.[/quote]
I think your taking me out of context... I'm not defended Rumsfeld in any way...

In-fact, I was just making a direct stab at alot of the recent (pull out of IRAQ now!) trend amoung popular opinion.

I think that we need to have a strategy other than cut and run, and I was calling popular opinion fickle because it is....

Thats why the supreme court is in for life, so pop. politics isn't involved... even though it tends to creep its way in there every so often.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;241747]She's not THAT bad. AND she has huge breasts.[/QUOTE]

You're right. She's not that bad. I do it, just to say I did.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;241708]Can anyone name a Politician who looks after the 'common, ordinary folk'.

Sadly the whole political scene seems to poison the people involved.

Am I just that cynical?[/QUOTE]
It's like that South Park episode with the vote for the school mascot. It was replayed last night, of course.
The vote was between a Turd Sandwich or a Giant Douche. The funniest line had to be, "...it's always between a turd sandwich or a giant douche because they're the only suck-ups who can make it that far in politics."




poop

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14;241694]Politics suck....nobody is ever happy regardless of who is in power.[/QUOTE]

So true. It'll all change when Matty and I start running thangs in '08!!

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[quote=TAFKAS;241772]So true. It'll all change when Matty and I start running thangs in '08!![/quote]

On the 'Peace and Love' ticket?

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[quote=RedskinRat;241795]On the 'Peace and Love' ticket?[/quote]

Nope, the 'Ban and move' ticket

;)

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I'd hit Monica too...hit and run style of course but hit nonetheless. She wasn't that chubby when Clinton was hitting her mouth.

Anyone hear about the other big election news? [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800660.html"]The first Muslim[/URL] ever was elected to congress. It's about time they participate I say.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;241752]I think your taking me out of context... I'm not defended Rumsfeld in any way...

In-fact, I was just making a direct stab at alot of the recent (pull out of IRAQ now!) trend amoung popular opinion.

I think that we need to have a strategy other than cut and run, and I was calling popular opinion fickle because it is....

Thats why the supreme court is in for life, so pop. politics isn't involved... even though it tends to creep its way in there every so often.[/QUOTE]

oop sorry Rob, wasn't lumping you in with the bean-counters if you saw it that way.

i would directly disagree with you that the 'get out of iraq' feeling is RECENT. a full half of the country didn't want to go in in the first place, regardless of how our 'representatives' voted (thats why they're called flip floppers right?).

the whole doubt about WMDs, concern about lack of exit strategy, troop level controversy and benefits to the general war on terror is all at least as old as the war itself.

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[quote=Mattyk72;241800]Nope, the 'Ban and move' ticket

;)[/quote]

Can't fight City Hall, or the Admin/Mod combo....:soapbox:

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[quote=illdefined;241818]oop sorry Rob, wasn't lumping you in with the bean-counters if you saw it that way.

i would directly disagree with you that the 'get out of iraq' feeling is RECENT. a full half of the country didn't want to go in in the first place, regardless of how our 'representatives' voted (thats why they're called flip floppers right?).

the whole doubt about WMDs, concern about lack of exit strategy, troop level controversy and benefits to the general war on terror is all at least as old as the war itself.[/quote]
It's all good... But it looks like we agree to disagree.

While there was a great deal of people not wanting to go to war in the first place (me included) I think the trend to cut and run is fairly recent. There is a large amount of conservative folks who are even expressing faith in this strategy. That's kinda how I saw it, as a general solution, the idea to cut and run in the population as a whole is fairly recent.

I'm not saying there weren't those who thought it all along, but in terms of the entire population mood swing, I think the ideals behind policy in Iraq have shifted dramatically in the past 6 months.

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Man, some of my posts need to be peer edited...

There always so choppy and convoluted.

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I'm not sure that people in general are in favor of a straight up cut and run, but some sort of exit strategy would be a good start.

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Christmas came early this year: Dems take House, Senate, and Rummy resigns. Between this and the Skins win, I'm jaaackked up!

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[quote=Mattyk72;241930]I'm not sure that people in general are in favor of a straight up cut and run, but some sort of exit strategy would be a good start.[/quote]

exit strategy and contingency planning are two of the MOST important parts of conducting a war. we went in without either and rummy couldn't believe that the US would be greeted as anything other than liberators (oops). arabic ground intel was nearly non existant, and training and directives as to how and why winning popular native support is important weren't implemented.

plan as you go doesn't work so well, since about 2 million new opinions pop up every day :/.

he should have stepped down 6 years ago, but now is better than later.

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You know what's crazy? This story was first broken early this morning by....[URL="http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2006/11/the_comedy_cent.html"]Comedy Central![/URL]

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I had a friend in college named Black Tony who used to say, honestly man, there aint really nothing I wont hit. And the thing was, those werent empty words. He walked the walk. He ran through every insecure, half-baked, overweight, cross-eyed girl in the dorm. Anyway, he was a good guy and a huge influence on my thinking. I kind of got the feeling that old Billy Clinton was the same way.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;241708]Can anyone name a Politician who looks after the 'common, ordinary folk'.

Sadly the whole political scene seems to poison the people involved.

Am I just that cynical?[/QUOTE]

Marion Barry looks after fellow crackheads.

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"The bitch set me up!"