Why not use both Sellers & Duckett in goal line situations?
 

Last week we had 7 plays inside the 4 yard line against Dallas and got no points from it. My question is why not use Mike Sellers and TJ Duckett at the same time? I would think with each being 270 pounds+ the Skins would have been able to punch it in on the goal line. I love Clinton, but using these 2 guys at the same time in a heavy-jumbo package near the goal line seems like a solution. Thoughts?

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whatever it takes. obviously, whatever the skins were doing doesn't work

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I still cant believe we didnt see duckett when were on the goalline and didnt get it. Why arent we using a player we traded for? The better question is what team were the skins trying to keep him from playing for?

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[QUOTE=vaoutlaws2006;242003]I still cant believe we didnt see duckett when were on the goalline and didnt get it. Why arent we using a player we traded for? The better question is what team were the skins trying to keep him from playing for?[/QUOTE]

I thought it was said that we were keeping him from going to Philly.

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That's on page 701 of Saunders' playbook.. We're still in the 200's chapter.

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I say go with whatever works. [U]IF[/U] Duckett could do a better job at the goaline (the lines blocking could be an issue too) then put him in. I don't care who's feelings are hurt.
If players are really about the team like they all claim, then they should understand when the team needs them to step aside and let another person do a particular task.

Re: Why not use both Sellers & Duckett in goal line situations?
 

Welcome to Joe Gibbs football!

Gibbs admitted this week that he wanted to give Portis the chance to score.

How about giving the team a chance to WIN?

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It seems like it would make Portis' job easier around the goal line if other teams thought that Duckett was the pound it up the middle guy. They may be more inclined to watch the perimeter when Portis was in and therefore open up everything a little more.

I expect to see Duckett in a least once the next time.

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Time to face reality guys, if we haven't seen much of Duckett to this point chances are we're just not going to. Gibbs is comfortable with Portis and Betts and on occasion, Sellers.

See ya next week for the next installment of "Where's Duckett?"

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Let's not over-react - Portis is a damn-fine goal line back.

It was just one bad series - where most of the blame should be on the o-line. Sellers and/or Duckett wouldn't have had much more luck in those scenarios.

I will pose the question, though - why don't we ever have Portis jump to the outside in goal line situations? Priest Holmes made a career of this - and if they're stacked up in the middle - Portis definitely has the speed to beat them to the outside...

As far as Duckett, I'm with Matty - it's not going to happen this year - if we stop talking about it maybe, just maybe we can forget about what we gave up for nothing...

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Here's my thought on Duckett's absence, thus far:

As the season progresses running backs take a pounding, their bodies wear down. So too, do the defensive players trying to stuff the run. TJ Duckett is a very big body that runs extremely well and guess what? He's fresh. I seriously doubt this was/is the plan but it works extremely well to our advantage now.

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[quote=Mattyk72;242054]Time to face reality guys, if we haven't seen much of Duckett to this point chances are we're just not going to. Gibbs is comfortable with Portis and Betts and on occasion, Sellers.

See ya next week for the next installment of "Where's Duckett?"[/quote]

During short yardage how could Gibbs be comfortable with sending Portis up the middle of line over Betts or Duckett?

Betts at 260 lbs, Duckett at 254 lbs and Portis at 205 lbs, Hell my 13 year old daughter could tell which two out of the three is going to have a bigger impact between the tackles.

Now, getting to the outside I would give it to Portis all day long, but up the middle, you have to go with a big load.

Didn't Gibbs coach when Riggins was playing?

Maybe he just didn't watch all those short yardage plays back in the day.

Just like him not watching Novak kicked on Sunday.

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well at least Ive really enjoyed having him on madden. i break huge runs with this cat getting him 1-1 with a db & plowing them over to race toward the endzone...

I do think its kinda shitty of us if we picked him up only because we didn't want to have him play against us in philly and keep them one dimensional.

I understand why, though...Can you imagine if philly had a bruiser back and westbrook line up in a split back set with mcnabb back there too? You wouldn't know what the hell to do. Right now, at least you know they ain't pounding it up the middle...


but still its a shitty thing to do to a player...

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It doesn't matter how much a RB weighs if the offensive line gets blown off the ball, which is what happened against Dallas.

And Betts did have a shot down there too and was stuffed.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;242057]Let's not over-react - Portis is a damn-fine goal line back.

It was just one bad series - where most of the blame should be on the o-line. Sellers and/or Duckett wouldn't have had much more luck in those scenarios.

I will pose the question, though - why don't we ever have Portis jump to the outside in goal line situations? Priest Holmes made a career of this - and if they're stacked up in the middle - Portis definitely has the speed to beat them to the outside...

As far as Duckett, I'm with Matty - it's not going to happen this year - if we stop talking about it maybe, just maybe we can forget about what we gave up for nothing...[/quote]

I agree with you that Portis should go outside way more at the goaline. Why not, he has the speed and the middle is clogged with bodies. If he gets outside he might just have to avoid one person.

I will disagree on your assessment that Portis is being a great goaline back. I think he is an average goaline back. The rest of his skills are excellent, but i have thought since he got here that he was average at the goaline, even last year.

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[quote=Jason72;242071]I agree with you that Portis should go outside way more at the goaline. Why not, he has the speed and the middle is clogged with bodies. If he gets outside he might just have to avoid one person.

I will disagree on your assessment that Portis is being a great goaline back. I think he is an average goaline back. The rest of his skills are excellent, but i have thought since he got here that he was average at the goaline, even last year.[/quote]

He was a pretty good goaline runner in Denver where he scored 29 TDs in 2 seasons. The offensive line makes or breaks you in those situations. Sure a back can make a great play by going over the top or bulling his way in every now and then, but 9 times out of 10 if the line doesn't open a crease the back is going nowhere.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;242057]Let's not over-react - Portis is a damn-fine goal line back.

It was just one bad series - where most of the blame should be on the o-line. Sellers and/or Duckett wouldn't have had much more luck in those scenarios.

I will pose the question, though - why don't we ever have Portis jump to the outside in goal line situations? Priest Holmes made a career of this - and if they're stacked up in the middle - Portis definitely has the speed to beat them to the outside...

As far as Duckett, I'm with Matty - it's not going to happen this year - if we stop talking about it maybe, just maybe we can forget about what we gave up for nothing...[/quote]

portis is in fact a damn fine back, and yes the o-line deserves the brunt of the blame, but lets not kid ourselves- portis is NOT a better goalline back than TJ. Portis is more likely to run it in from 5 yards out than he is from 1. As for seeing TJ, i too am with you guys, if we haven't seen him yet, chances are we aren't going to...unless the coaches become as DISGUSTED as we are that we have been smashing a Ferrari into the wall when we have a bulldozer on the bench.

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[quote=Mattyk72;242070]It doesn't matter how much a RB weighs if the offensive line gets blown off the ball, which is what happened against Dallas.


I seen many "big" backs over the years move piles.

Not many "little" backs have had an impact moving people.

How many times have seen big backs like Earl Campbell, Czonka, Gerald Riggs, Riggins and last years Sellers send linebackers backwards once the made it past the line.

Like all the women say "size matters"

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It all starts up front. The size of the RB is overrated.

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[quote=Mattyk72;242070]It doesn't matter how much a RB weighs if the offensive line gets blown off the ball, which is what happened against Dallas.

And Betts did have a shot down there too and was stuffed.[/quote]

You're right about that. I still think that Duckett may be a slightly better goaline back than Portis, plus we could save wear and tear on Portis which has been a problem this year and probably will be more and more in the future.

If Tiki can give up the goaline carries, Portis can too.

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[quote=Mattyk72;242085]It all starts up front. The size of the RB is overrated.[/quote]

It is a factor though, maybe overrated, but still a factor. In the 1991 season Riggs was a very effective role player on the goaline. IMO Gibbs would do this if he weren't afraid of ticking off Portis.

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When we first signed Duckett I thought that we had a nice heavy jumbo with him and Sellars in the back field. But, my thing is that this great talent is just rotting on the bench! He has played very little all season, and because of that he probably isn't in good game shape. Gibbs misssed a huge chance to get the fans electrified with old school Gibbs style smash-mouth football. And not to sound like a hater, but I as of yet, I haven't seen any inovation from our offensive coordinator that was hyped-up this off season. But, to give me some hope, that play by Taylor reminded me of those two plays he made late last year to really fire us all up. We really need to go undefeated from here on out. Does Gibbs still have the magic?