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Comcast is reporting that Gibbs has decided to use T.J. Duckett on short-yardage situations. Has anyone heard anything about this? If it's true, what does this mean for Cartwright? We only carry 3 backs on gameday.

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I heard it from Gibbs' mouth on his weekly radio show, that he was considering using Duckett in short yardage situations. I guess that means Rock will be a special teamer for the most part now, but it seems like that's all he's done for the last few games anyway.

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We've been carrying 4 haven't we?

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Last week, we only carried three wide receivers. The roster is fluid - if the coach thinks carrying four backs will help us win, then by all means we should do it.

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Dont know, but we need Rock in for kick returns more than we need Duckett for short yardage. We can use Sellers for that.

I love Gibbs all the sudden realizes that maybe he should use Duckett. But at mentioned, how is he gonna do it? Maybe he can put him on the roster as a different position, and play him as a back, if that is even possible.

Obviously CP and Betts arent going anywhere. So the question is who to not dress, Rock or Sellers. I think Sellers would not dress, bc we need Rock for special teams.

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I think we'll keep one less TE. Cartwright is a beast on teams.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;242669]Comcast is reporting that Gibbs has decided to use T.J. Duckett on short-yardage situations. Has anyone heard anything about this? If it's true, what does this mean for Cartwright? We only carry 3 backs on gameday.[/quote]

TJ has dressed out the last 2 games I believe, so we've had 4. Last week it was easy due to wr injuries (only had 3), this week I don't know who will sit.

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[quote=hooskins;242673]Dont know, but we need Rock in for kick returns more than we need Duckett for short yardage. We can use Sellers for that.

I love Gibbs all the sudden realizes that maybe he should use Duckett. But at mentioned, how is he gonna do it? Maybe he can put him on the roster as a different position, and play him as a back, if that is even possible.

Obviously CP and Betts arent going anywhere. So the question is who to not dress, Rock or Sellers. I think Sellers would not dress, bc we need Rock for special teams.[/quote]

No Way!! Sellers is THE starting fullback. Betts or TJ are not going to play fb.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;242669]Comcast is reporting that Gibbs has decided to use T.J. Duckett on short-yardage situations. Has anyone heard anything about this? If it's true, what does this mean for Cartwright? We only carry 3 backs on gameday.[/quote]

Hope it's true, and if it is, THANK EFFING GOD.

Gee, our Hall of Fame coach may have finally figured out that there may be a reason why TJ Duckett rushed for 11 TDs in 2003, 8 TDs in 2004 (in 13 games), and another 8 TDs in 2005 (in 14 games).

He sure as hell wasn't breaking long TD runs, that's for sure Coach!

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Sellers man. Sellers.

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[quote=hooskins;242673]Dont know, but we need Rock in for kick returns more than we need Duckett for short yardage. We can use Sellers for that.

I love Gibbs all the sudden realizes that maybe he should use Duckett. But at mentioned, how is he gonna do it? Maybe he can put him on the roster as a different position, and play him as a back, if that is even possible.

Obviously CP and Betts arent going anywhere. So the question is who to not dress, Rock or Sellers. I think Sellers would not dress, bc we need Rock for special teams.[/quote]

We need Sellers way more for special teams coverage and lead blocking. If it came to it, you could have Thrash return the kicks.

Aside from the TD in Dallas, Rock hasn't done anything special.

But I think TMC is right, you probably dress one less TE.

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I don't think Gibbs wants to activate 4 backs but he can justify it. If Moss plays this week that would be 4 WR so somebody else would have to sit. Could be Yoder. Could be someone on defense.

I know who I would de-activate but that ain't gonna happen. (It's Arch, as if there were any doubt)

My guess would be one less defensive lineman. Montgomery or Evans. Wasn't Evans active last week?" When I realized we still had him I thought, "Why the hell is Carter even playing?"

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[quote=Schneed10;242680]Hope it's true, and if it is, THANK EFFING GOD.

Gee, our Hall of Fame coach may have finally figured out that there may be a reason why TJ Duckett rushed for 11 TDs in 2003, 8 TDs in 2004 (in 13 games), and another 8 TDs in 2005 (in 14 games).

He sure as hell wasn't breaking long TD runs, that's for sure Coach![/quote]

[FONT='Lucida Sans Unicode'][FONT=Verdana]I really believe that TJ’s signing was the final blow to team chemistry before the season. Remember rock’s reaction? I think Gibbs had to show some loyalty to Rock & Betts to keep things cool. That & someone on Comcast said TJ was slow to learn the O.[/FONT][/FONT]

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;242669]Comcast is reporting that Gibbs has decided to use T.J. Duckett on short-yardage situations. Has anyone heard anything about this? If it's true, what does this mean for Cartwright? We only carry 3 backs on gameday.[/QUOTE]

Rock will never carry the ball for the Redskins again.. Remember the fumble in the Texans game? That was the final straw. He'll be a special teamer only. It baffles me why Duckett has been tied to the sidelines, especially last week on the 1st drive. Betts can catch the ball alright, but I don't think he's anything special at all.. A Portis/Duckett backfield would be more effective.

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This move should kill any prospect of me getting any TDs from Portis unless he runs for long TDs.

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[quote=70Chip;242684]I don't think Gibbs wants to activate 4 backs but he can justify it. If Moss plays this week that would be 4 WR so somebody else would have to sit. Could be Yoder. Could be someone on defense.

I know who I would de-activate but that ain't gonna happen. (It's Arch, as if there were any doubt)

My guess would be one less defensive lineman. Montgomery or Evans. Wasn't Evans active last week?" When I realized we still had him I thought, "Why the hell is Carter even playing?"[/quote]

Fauria's been hurt. We had 4 backs last week, but Moss & Patten? bein healthy changes things. Is Patten ok?

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[quote=hooskins;242673]Dont know, but we need Rock in for kick returns more than we need Duckett for short yardage. We can use Sellers for that.

I love Gibbs all the sudden realizes that maybe he should use Duckett. But at mentioned, how is he gonna do it? Maybe he can put him on the roster as a different position, and play him as a back, if that is even possible.

Obviously CP and Betts arent going anywhere. So the question is who to not dress, Rock or Sellers. I think Sellers would not dress, bc we need Rock for special teams.[/quote]

This is why the Duckett trade is sooooooooooooooo horrible. He doesn't play teams or fullback. One guy taking up a roster spot that will only come in a couple plays a game. Sometimes he dresses and still doesn't get in the game. If Gibbs had a clue what he was doing he would have used Sellers in that role and saved the frickin draft pick and the roster spot. If a real GM was here this move would have NEVER EVER happened.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;242688]Fauria's been hurt. We had 4 backs last week, but Moss & Patten? bein healthy changes things. Is Patten ok?[/QUOTE]

I saw Patten on redskins.com working out; he looked okay.

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[quote=freddyg12;242688]Fauria's been hurt. We had 4 backs last week, but Moss & Patten? bein healthy changes things. Is Patten ok?[/quote]

If Patten is also active that would be even tighter. That would mean that two other guys that were active against Dallas would be inactive against Philly if Duckett is active. You would definitely lose someone off the defensive side if that were the case.

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todd yoder will probably be inactive now..

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;242690]This is why the Duckett trade is sooooooooooooooo horrible. He doesn't play teams or fullback. One guy taking up a roster spot that will only come in a couple plays a game. Sometimes he dresses and still doesn't get in the game. If Gibbs had a clue what he was doing he would have used Sellers in that role and saved the frickin draft pick and the roster spot. If a real GM was here this move would have NEVER EVER happened.[/QUOTE]

The trade was bad in hindsight. At that time, they didn't know when or whether Portis was going to come back. Duckett was an insurance policy, albeit a high-priced one.

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he may pan out to be an excellent pick up. Right now, as long as he performs, we take the least expensive of him and bettis, and let the other go on to have a pro-bowl year in philly.

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Interview with Vinnie yesterday on Redskin lunch. Larry asked why TJ not playing. He responded, it is taking longer to find a permanent home for TJ because he was brought in as insurance for Portis as his injuries were thought to be far more serious than they turned out to be. Since Portis is obviously playing................

The Rock has a home on teams. HE STAYS

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we are carrying 4 running backs plus sellers, dropping a tight end or someone in the secondary (ade?)

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[quote=Big C;242700]we are carrying 4 running backs plus sellers, dropping a tight end or someone in the secondary (ade?)[/quote]
rumph has been inactive lately...the ade is good on special teams

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The season is saved!

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;242694]The trade was bad in hindsight. At that time, they didn't know when or whether Portis was going to come back. Duckett was an insurance policy, albeit a high-priced one.[/quote]

Betts, Cartright and Sellers could have carried the load if Portis had to miss time. Look what happened to Green Bay last year? They lost all their RB's and Samkon Gado came in and ran the ball well. Carolina had two backs go down last year. Some 3rd string guy named Nick Goings comes in and plays well. You see it all around the league where guys get hurt and someone comes in and plays well. The trade was bad in hindsight and it was bad when they made it. You just can't panic when someone gets hurt and give away valubale picks. This is one of the reasons the team has no quality depth.

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[quote=skinsfan69;242734]Betts, Cartright and Sellers could have carried the load if Portis had to miss time. Look what happened to Green Bay last year? They lost all their RB's and Samkon Gado came in and ran the ball well. Carolina had two backs go down last year. Some 3rd string guy named Nick Goings comes in and plays well. You see it all around the league where guys get hurt and someone comes in and plays well. The trade was bad in hindsight and it was bad when they made it. You just can't panic when someone gets hurt and give away valubale picks. This is one of the reasons the team has no quality depth.[/quote]

Betts' history shows he's injury prone and he was a little nicked up at the time the TJ deal was made too. Now you're down to Rock who's ok in spot situations but we'd be in trouble if he had to be our starter week in and week out.

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Betts is sadly, our no.2 reciever this year. sigh.

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[quote=illdefined;242740]Betts is sadly, our no.2 reciever this year. sigh.[/quote]

Good for his marketability though.

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[quote=Mattyk72;242737]Betts' history shows he's injury prone and he was a little nicked up at the time the TJ deal was made too. Now you're down to Rock who's ok in spot situations but we'd be in trouble if he had to be our starter week in and week out.[/quote]


Betts always seems to have hamstring problems in camp. But again DO NOT give up a 3rd rounder for a guy who can only run straight ahead. How about doing what a good front office would do and work the waiver wire???? I bet there are PLENTY of RB's who were on the wire and could come in and help out playing a back-up role and help on teams.

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[quote=Mattyk72;242741]Good for his marketability though.[/quote]

yeah that's true. a poor man's Brian Westbrook for some other team.

still, woulda been nice if one of our expensive new recievers had more than 200yds this season..

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;242734]Betts, Cartright and Sellers could have carried the load if Portis had to miss time. Look what happened to Green Bay last year? They lost all their RB's and Samkon Gado came in and ran the ball well. Carolina had two backs go down last year. Some 3rd string guy named Nick Goings comes in and plays well. You see it all around the league where guys get hurt and someone comes in and plays well. The trade was bad in hindsight and it was bad when they made it. You just can't panic when someone gets hurt and give away valubale picks. This is one of the reasons the team has no quality depth.[/QUOTE]



I agree with you 100% and said exactly the same thing in another recent post. The Duckett trade was a panic move that did not have to be made under the circumstances. Now if they resign Duckett to a modest contract before the FA period begins, then I may have second thoughts about it. The way it stands now,a trade like that "sucks" because there's not another GM in the league that would have made a move like that. Gibbs was about to make a simular move involving John Abraham during FA earlier this year when he though we may not get Andre Carter, that's why he found himself in the position of defending his position to the media earlier in the week about the way the FO does business. For all who think it was a good move, or the right one to make (if we don't resign Duckett), come draft day this spring, and we watch what would have been our 3rd round pick go to Atlanta (or someplace else depending on what they decide to do with the pick) we may have second thoughts as to the value of such a move.

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[quote=Longtimefan;242762]I agree with you 100% and said exactly the same thing in another recent post. The Duckett trade was a panic move that did not have to be made under the circumstances. Now if they resign Duckett to a modest contract before the FA period begins, then I may have second thoughts about it. The way it stands now,a trade like that "sucks" because there's not another GM in the league that would have made a move like that. Gibbs was about to make a simular move involving John Abraham during FA earlier this year when he though we may not get Andre Carter, that's why he found himself in the position of defending his position to the media earlier in the week about the way the FO does business. For all who think it was a good move, or the right one to make (if we don't resign Duckett), come draft day this spring, and we watch what would have been our 3rd round pick go to Atlanta (or someplace else depending on what they decide to do with the pick) we may have second thoughts as to the value of such a move.[/quote]


I don't think they are going to resign him unless they franchise him. They will make him an offer but someone else is going to be able to pay him a lot more money. Someone like Pittsburgh or Philadelphia. So basically another draft pick down the drain.

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[quote=skinsfan69;242785]I don't think they are going to resign him unless they franchise him. They will make him an offer but someone else is going to be able to pay him a lot more money. Someone like Pittsburgh or Philadelphia. So basically another draft pick down the drain.[/quote]

The Skins are going to have to resign Betts or Duckett. Which one?

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Honestly, I don't know. Betts is proven in the system, but we all know Duckett is decent too, even though I'd prefer the changed of pace back.

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[quote=freddyg12;242685][FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode][FONT=Verdana]I really believe that TJ’s signing was the final blow to team chemistry before the season. Remember rock’s reaction? I think Gibbs had to show some loyalty to Rock & Betts to keep things cool. That & someone on Comcast said TJ was slow to learn the O.[/FONT][/FONT][/quote]

Loyalty is important, but the goal is to win. I would imagine Joe wants to do anything to win - loyalty be damned. I also think that if ended up 10-6 and in the playoffs, loyalty would be the last thing us fans would be worried about.

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[quote=Longtimefan;242762]The Duckett trade was a panic move that did not have to be made under the circumstances. [/quote]

You're entitled to believe that but given the fact the move was made it was obvious the coaches didn't see it as a panic move at that time.

When they made the move it wasn't clear how long CP may have been out, or if it was something that would linger or become a bigger problem down the road.

It was an insurance move, easy to say in hindsight that it wasn't needed but at the time I remember alot of people here applauding the move.

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[quote=skinsfan69;242746]Betts always seems to have hamstring problems in camp. But again DO NOT give up a 3rd rounder for a guy who can only run straight ahead. How about doing what a good front office would do and work the waiver wire???? I bet there are PLENTY of RB's who were on the wire and could come in and help out playing a back-up role and help on teams.[/quote]

Yeah but we weren't looking for backup/teams type of player, they wanted a guy who could step in and carry the load full-time if needed, not some waiver scrub.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;242785]I don't think they are going to resign him unless they franchise him. They will make him an offer but someone else is going to be able to pay him a lot more money. Someone like Pittsburgh or Philadelphia. So basically another draft pick down the drain.[/QUOTE]



Exactly, and rumor had it that the reason they signed him in the first place was they were afraid he may go to Philadelphia and have to be concerned with defending him. Now I can understand your having that kind of respect for a RB, but not to the tune of a 3rd round pick. There is no scenerio where you stand to win in this situation. We loose all the way around.