Bench Rogers
 

I can't take it anymore, this guy blows! How many times can he give up the first down, on a third down play he plays 10-15 yds off the ball, g[FONT='Times New Roman']uaranting the wr a catch for the first[/FONT]. If he cant cover, get someone in there who can.

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rogers has to stay in, his progression is vital to our team in future years. plus do we have anyone better to put there?

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Is it me or is Rogers playing really solid football. Sure, he got beat once or twice, but hes also made some big plays this game. Preventing catches and showed some real progression..

Our defense in general gave up one bad TD (Sean Taylor) and one Fluke TD (whcih would have been incomplete had Buckhalter not been in the right spot. This is on our offense.

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You can't bench Rogers.

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Who would you rather play? Wright? Jimoh? Rumph? Carlos "the Cushion" Rogers is bad, but we don't have a better alternative.

How about Taylor? Taylor is living off of reputation right now, he's looked awful in coverage and racks up more penalties than anyone else.

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[quote=Daseal;243629]Is it me or is Rogers playing really solid football. Sure, he got beat once or twice, but hes also made some big plays this game. Preventing catches and showed some real progression..

Our defense in general gave up one bad TD (Sean Taylor) and one Fluke TD (whcih would have been incomplete had Buckhalter not been in the right spot. This is on our offense.[/quote]

I'm with you. Normally he plays REALLY solid ball.

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Bench Rogers and start who? Kenny Wright? No thanks.....we are what we are I guess....

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Its like everyone on this D is playing in slow motion and dipping their hands in dish soap before the games

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is it really Roger's call to give that cushion??

NO WONDER Brunell must look like a super hero in practice.

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I can't say Rogers has played solid football. I'd like to see him play up close to the receivers a little more and not give so much cushion.

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No, leave his ass in to LEARN to play in the NFL. Given that the season is over anyway, why not? ANd I agree that it's not his call about the cushion. That happens becuase we get beat several times a game for HUGE plays. And we have no pass rush, so we can't risk having those guys up on the line. QBs just have WAY too much time. ANd it was Taylor, not Carlos, who got toasted on that double move. Carlos had a few good deep covers (one on Stalworth in the corner of the endzone), and a few good hits. The trouble was his cushion, and that, I am sure, is part of the scheme designed (unsuccessfully) to take away the deep stuff.

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They have no talent at corner, and Shawn Taylor played like shit. He has played bad all year long, along with Rogers, wright, Rumph, and Archuleta.

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SPirngs isn't bad and Carlos is learning. Taylor had a tough game. But we have NO pass rush at all. Any secondary is going to look bad without a pass rush. Not to mention that Cinncy, for example, gave up what, 50 points?

Play better with what ya got. Except at QB, where it is ovbvious that we get nothing at all from MB.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;243741]Who would you rather play? Wright? Jimoh? Rumph? Carlos "the Cushion" Rogers is bad, but we don't have a better alternative.

How about Taylor? Taylor is living off of reputation right now, he's looked awful in coverage and racks up more penalties than anyone else.[/quote]


I agree with you. Who in the hell is going to replace him? Frickin Jimoh or Wright? Give me a break. Those two can't cover my mother. And I'm not even going to mention Rumph. He's still picking up his jock from the Indy game. And they should think about putting Taylor at linebacker. He plays better around the line of scrimmage anyway.

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This thread is pointless.

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Rogers stays in. In my opinion, he's arguably our best corner right now. Please don't tell me this shit about Shawn Springs, he's been getting toasted too.

I think our biggest loss in the secondary this year was letting Dwayne Walker go...and bringing in Jerry Gray. I don't think we have any ints as a secondary this year. Sean Taylor had like 4 interceptions a year ago. Rogers giving those cushions is more a function of what he's being told to do, and not reflective of his skills.

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[quote=12thMan;243893]Rogers stays in. In my opinion, he's arguably our best corner right now. Please don't tell me this shit about Shawn Springs, he's been getting toasted too.

I think our biggest lost in the secondary this year was letting Dwayne Walker go...and bringing in Jerry Gray. I don't think we have any ints as a secondary this year. Sean Taylor had like 4 interceptions a year ago. Rogers giving those cushions is more a function of what he's being told to do, and not reflective of his skills.[/quote]
Is Jerry Gray drunk? How the hell can they blitz with CB's playin that far off?

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[quote=Crat92;243900]Is Jerry Gray drunk? How the hell can they blitz with CB's playin that far off?[/quote]

I didn't realize Gray is now calling the D

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[quote=12thMan;243893]Rogers giving those cushions is more a function of what he's being told to do, and not reflective of his skills.[/quote]

If you watch closely, Springs is giving a big cushion also, but not as big as Rogers. Rogers really looks afraid of being beat deep. What really got to me was that the Eagles were playing tight on 3rd down and never got beat because of it... at least not more than we did by giving the "free first down " cushions we were giving.

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[quote=Mattyk72;243902]I didn't realize Gray is now calling the D[/quote]
I wasn't saying Jerry Gray was calling the defense. I was commenting on the technique Rogers was using which I thought was taught by Gray. Maybe I'm wrong.

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[quote=Crat92;243911]I wasn't saying Jerry Gray was calling the defense. I was commenting on the technique Rogers was using which I thought was taught by Gray. Maybe I'm wrong.[/quote]

The scheme has him playing off the WR, it's not his choice.

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[quote=Crat92;243911]I wasn't saying Jerry Gray was calling the defense. I was commenting on the technique Rogers was using which I thought was taught by Gray. Maybe I'm wrong.[/quote]

Exactly. Technique wise, it seems like Carlos has taken a step backwards. At least last year he was in position numerous times to make the interception.

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think we'll see an INT from our defense the rest of the season?

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[quote=Mattyk72;243913]The scheme has him playing off the WR, it's not his choice.[/quote]
I'm confused. If blitzing is our "thing", I thought having corners play up would allow for that to happen. Are they being told to play off because they can't cover man to man? Help me out on this one(seriously).

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[quote=Crat92;243925]I'm confused. If blitzing is our "thing", I thought having corners play up would allow for that to happen. Are they being told to play off because they can't cover man to man? Help me out on this one(seriously).[/quote]

In case you've missed this year we've had serious problems giving up big plays, therefore GW has been playing alot more zone and playing his corners soft. You can still blitz and play your corners off the ball, one has nothing to do with the other.

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[quote=Mattyk72;243938]In case you've missed this year we've had serious problems giving up big plays, therefore GW has been playing alot more zone and playing his corners soft. You can still blitz and play your corners off the ball, one has nothing to do with the other.[/quote]
I just learned something. Thanks Matty!

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you can blame Rogers, I think he plays way too far off the receiver. If they are playing a safety over top, which the did quite a bit today, I dont understand why he isn't jamming the damn receiver at the line. it makes absolutely no f'n sense. I can count 4 or 5 times he gave up 3rd downs and the one 4th down because all McNabb had to do was stand up, fire to the receiver and complete a pass for 7 yards. he sucks.

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[quote=#56fanatic;243941]you can blame Rogers, I think he plays way too far off the receiver. If they are playing a safety over top, which the did quite a bit today, I dont understand why he isn't jamming the damn receiver at the line. it makes absolutely no f'n sense. I can count 4 or 5 times he gave up 3rd downs and the one 4th down because all McNabb had to do was stand up, fire to the receiver and complete a pass for 7 yards. he sucks.[/quote]

If he was playing off the WR on his own accord, don't you think the coaches would have corrected him by now?? It's a very simple fix, hey Carlos move up!

It's not him, it's Gregg Williams.

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[quote=Mattyk72;243948]If he was playing off the WR on his own accord, don't you think the coaches would have corrected him by now?? It's a very simple fix, hey Carlos move up!

It's not him, it's Gregg Williams.[/quote]

I do agree that the coaches have some responsability on telling him to move toward the line of scrimmage, namely Jerry Gray, but if he can't see that as a player he's the biggest idiot on the field. How many times do you have to get beat on the same play, time and time again, game after game before you realize that teams know you are playing so far off all the have to do is throw a quick pass or slant. he has to know that. I played DB in school and even I realized if I was getting beat on quick slants or outs that I needed to get closer to the line.

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I would like to see our corners be more physical at the line of scrimage, but I wish the the coaching staff would not have let Antonio Pierce, Walt Harris and Ryan Clark leave by FA. That is when this defense started going south, I would have rather see them pay those player more money than to give it to Archuletta, Rhumph etc.

I think Williams gave too much credit to his system and not enough credit to the talent he had on the team at that time