Stop blaming the coaches especially Greg Williams
 

This is crazy, people on here talking about firing Greg Williams, i mean i'm not to convinced about Al Saunders but we know what he can do with a offense. I'm a huge fan of GW its the players. He's a awesome defensive coach, we have to just hope we can get some better players. Honestly the offense does look like shit, and so does the D. But these guys are professionals and by next year hopefully are act can get together. This goes straight to the players but play calling on offense could get little better. We have the talent on the Offense, and really we have some on defense except Archuleta he sucks ass. Lets hope it gets better... Go skins lets never give up, u know JG won't let it

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I don't think anybody should be fired, but there's nothing wrong with blaming anyone right now. When you're 3-6 there's plenty of blame to go around.

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Al Saunders, we need 5 you throw for 3 , we need 8 you throw for 6. what gives?

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Greg Williams was the hottest canidate for head coaching jobs last year. The skins are lucky to still have him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;243955]I don't think anybody should be fired, but there's nothing wrong with blaming anyone right now. When you're 3-6 there's plenty of blame to go around.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. We need consistency on the coaching staff - there shouldn't be any talk of firing them. However, they share in the blame.

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[QUOTE=Olddeadskin;243957]Al Saunders, we need 5 you throw for 3 , we need 8 you throw for 6. what gives?[/QUOTE]

Those aren't all Saunders' calls. Gibbs is heavily involved in the playcalling as well. This offense still reeks of Gibbs v2.0.

Zero TDs in division roadgames this year is inexcusable. All the division losses are on the offense. Gibbs needs to stay away from offensive playcalling, period. Let the old man just manage the players (clearly his strength), and leave the offense to Saunders.

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I think the team need to seriously bring in a GM that is really adept at evaluating talent in players, I don't mean the established talent, but new or underrated talent. The Skin's have had alot of talent come and go over the last few years, some of it past their prime and not worth what they where paid, some where worth the money and where under appreciated for their talent such as Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark for instance, oh remember Trent Green?

I do not like free agency because too many players come and go and teams can't build a solid team for more than a couple of years, except for the Patriots

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The coaches are to blame. No other organization has coaches that have more control than the Redskins. I have never liked GW's style of defense, because it has always been vulnerable to the big play. The coaches for other teams dont hire the players like they do in Washington. On top of the players playing like s**t, they are undisciplined and kill themselves with penalties.

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[QUOTE=chris36;243973]The coaches are to blame. No other organization has coaches that have more control than the Redskins. I have never liked GW's style of defense, because it has always been vulnerable to the big play. The coaches for other teams dont hire the players like they do in Washington. On top of the players playing like s**t, they are undisciplined and kill themselves with penalties.[/QUOTE]

Williams' defense is a proven one. Until this year, Williams has fielded great defenses for numerous teams for numerous seasons. For some reason, it isn't working this year.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244041]Williams' defense is a proven one. Until this year, Williams has fielded great defenses for numerous teams for numerous seasons. For some reason, it isn't working this year.[/quote]

Perfectly stated, thank you.

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I will tell you one thing, we cant blame Archuleta, because I dont think he ever played.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244041]Williams' defense is a proven one. Until this year, Williams has fielded great defenses for numerous teams for numerous seasons. For some reason, it isn't working this year.[/QUOTE]

Having the 30th-ranked defense only proves that Gregg has lost his touch.

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Sometimes when things are going wrong, you tend to lose sight of the things you know you can do right. I think that is what has happened to this defense. Everybody on the D is trying to scramble to make THE PLAY that turns things around instead of playing as a team...swarming around the ball, and helping each other out in the secondary on coverage. They need to go back to basics.

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Hey, what defenses, other than ours, has he coached, that was realy good?

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;244093]Sometimes when things are going wrong, you tend to lose sight of the things you know you can do right. I think that is what has happened to this defense. Everybody on the D is trying to scramble to make THE PLAY that turns things around instead of playing as a team...swarming around the ball, and helping each other out in the secondary on coverage. They need to go back to basics.[/QUOTE]

Yes, we need to defensive coaches to teach Sean Taylor to tackle (in bounds, preferably) and cover. He's exciting when he has the ball; maybe we should switch him to wide receiver. Wait, who would throw him the ball deep? ARE?

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[quote=chris36;244095]Hey, what defenses, other than ours, has he coached, that was realy good?[/quote]
wow, you're an idiot

He was the defensive coordinator in Tennessee when they went to the super bowl. They always had a top defense when he was there. Then he built a good defense when he was the head coach in buffalo too.

edit: Here are all his defenses since he first became the defensive coordinator in Tennessee in 1997

......................................[B]Yards Points[/B]
1997 Tennessee Oilers........ 22nd. 12th
1998 Tennessee Oilers........ 14th.. 12th
1999 Tennessee Titans....... 18th.. 15th
2000 Tennessee Titans....... 2nd... 2nd
2001 Buffalo Bills................ 21st.. 29th
2002 Buffalo Bills................ 15th.. 27th
2003 Buffalo Bills................ 2nd... 5th
2004 Washington Redskins... 3rd.... 5th
2005 Washington Redskins... 9th.... 9th

He has improved the defenses a lot every place he has gone to.

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[quote=Twilbert07;244090]Having the 30th-ranked defense only proves that Gregg has lost his touch.[/quote]

WTF? Without Williams, the skins miss the playoffs last year and are lucky to win any games the year before that.

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[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;244102]WTF? Without Williams, the skins miss the playoffs last year and are lucky to win any games the year before that.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying he's lost his touch this year. C'mon man, we're nearly last in the league in yards/game and pass defense. You think he should win accolades for that? Last year is long gone; it means nothing today.

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Come on fellas! This is the third season of Gibb II! This is HIS team. As head coach, he has assembled this staff and this roster! It just ain't working! Gibbs II is now 19-22! Don't hate the players, if anything hate their employer or the coach who wanted them. A good GM might have made a difference.

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[quote=Twilbert07;244103]I'm saying he's lost his touch this year. C'mon man, we're nearly last in the league in yards/game and pass defense. You think he should win accolades for that? Last year is long gone; it means nothing today.[/quote]

Last time I saw them play Williams wasn't wearing a jersey. The players on the field have to nut-up.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07;244090]Having the 30th-ranked defense only proves that Gregg has lost his touch.[/QUOTE]

It's a mighty big leap to say we are now ranked 30th on defense and therefore Williams has lost his touch. How do we know it's not the injury-bug and personnel issues that have caused the defense to suffer? Archuleta and Wright are total busts. Prioleou (our nickel) went down before playing a single snap on defense. Griffin, Salave'a, Springs, Rogers, and Marshall have all been bitten by the injury bug.

If we suck next year on defense, then I'll be prepared to guess that Williams has lost his touch. Until then, I'm not willing to say a guy with Williams' resume has lost his touch based on 9 games in one season.

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[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;244106]Last time I saw them play Williams wasn't wearing a jersey. The players on the field have to nut-up.[/QUOTE]

But you just gave Williams credit for us making the playoffs last year. I know he's a solid coach, but he's having a lousy season. I say when coaching changes come, maybe the year after next, bring in a new, young set of coaches and build for the future.

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[QUOTE=chris36;244095]Hey, what defenses, other than ours, has he coached, that was realy good?[/QUOTE]

Are you serious? You aren't that guy that was on CNN who had total memory loss?

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OK, those are the defenses I thought we were speaking of. The 2000 Titans defense was ranked 15th. The buffalo Defenses were fairly good, but they lost alot of games. I think calling me an idiot for asking a question, is pretty immature. I am not an encyclopedia. I just wanted a little clarification on what defenses we were speaking of. I am not a tremendous fan of GW's style of defense. We were vulnerable to the big play last year to. I like old fashion defenses that put pressure on the quarter back with the front four. Blitzing is cool, but you cant live on it.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244108]It's a mighty big leap to say we are now ranked 30th on defense and therefore Williams has lost his touch. How do we know it's not the injury-bug and personnel issues that have caused the defense to suffer? Archuleta and Wright are total busts. Prioleou (our nickel) went down before playing a single snap on defense. Griffin, Salave'a, Springs, Rogers, and Marshall have all been bitten by the injury bug.

If we suck next year on defense, then I'll be prepared to guess that Williams has lost his touch. Until then, I'm not willing to say a guy with Williams' resume has lost his touch based on 9 games in one season.[/QUOTE]

Every team's got injuries, so that's no excuse. But you're right: One year doesn't make a trend. If he sucks this bad next year, he's lost his touch. If he rebounds, forget I ever said he lost his touch.

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[quote=Twilbert07;244114]Every team's got injuries, so that's no excuse. But you're right: One year doesn't make a trend. If he sucks this bad next year, he's lost his touch. If he rebounds, forget I ever said he lost his touch.[/quote]

Fair enough.

Re: Stop blaming the coaches especially Greg Williams
 

[quote=Twilbert07;244103]I'm saying he's lost his touch this year. C'mon man, we're nearly last in the league in yards/game and pass defense. You think he should win accolades for that? Last year is long gone; it means nothing today.[/quote]
Not to gang-jump you... but seriously...

There is such a thing as a fluke season. If someone wins 100 superbowls, and then doesn't make the playoffs the next season... do you fire him? Has he "lost his touch".

Your same reasoning could apply to Andy Reid's inept team last year. There were alot of injuries, unfortunate cirumstances, etc... yet he still is a great coach, and in no way lost his touch. I think GW has a very similar situation with his defense.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;244116]Not to gang-jump you... but seriously...

There is such a thing as a fluke season. If someone wins 100 superbowls, and then doesn't make the playoffs the next season... do you fire him? Has he "lost his touch".

Your same reasoning could apply to Andy Reid's inept team last year. There were alot of injuries, unfortunate cirumstances, etc... yet he still is a great coach, and in no way lost his touch. I think GW has a very similar situation with his defense.[/QUOTE]

OK, then. Let's say - for argument's sake - that last year was a fluke season. Maybe we got totally lucky going 10-6 and making the playoffs. Maybe we are a 6-10 team like the 2004 squad. We're certainly headed down that road again.

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The Redskins were missing one player on defense today, Pierson Prioleau. Thats not an excuse. As for Greg Williams great defenses, the last game he coached in Buffalo was a loss(31-0).
[QUOTE]Gregg Williams paid the price for the Bills' flop this season, losing his job as head coach.

Team president Tom Donahoe, calling this season a regression, believed the only way for the Bills to move forward was with a new coach. So Williams will not be rehired after completing his three-year contract with a 17-31 record, 6-10 this season.

"We just didn't feel we had made enough progress this year," Donahoe said Monday. "We have regressed this year. And I just didn't have the confidence going forward that we could get that turned around."

The record was particularly disappointing for a revamped team Donahoe bolstered by spending about $20 million in bonus money this offseason. After an encouraging 2-0 start, the Bills unraveled, particularly on offense, and ended the season losing seven of the last nine, capped by Saturday's 31-0 loss at New England.
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[quote=chris36;244128]The Redskins were missing one player on defense today, Pierson Prioleau. Thats not an excuse. As for Greg Williams great defenses, the last game he coached in Buffalo was a loss(31-0).
[QUOTE]Gregg Williams paid the price for the Bills' flop this season, losing his job as head coach.

Team president Tom Donahoe, calling this season a regression, believed the only way for the Bills to move forward was with a new coach. So Williams will not be rehired after completing his three-year contract with a 17-31 record, 6-10 this season.

"We just didn't feel we had made enough progress this year," Donahoe said Monday. "We have regressed this year. And I just didn't have the confidence going forward that we could get that turned around."

The record was particularly disappointing for a revamped team Donahoe bolstered by spending about $20 million in bonus money this offseason. [B]After an encouraging 2-0 start, the Bills unraveled, particularly on offense, and ended the season losing seven of the last nine[/B], capped by Saturday's 31-0 loss at New England. [/QUOTE]
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Wow, one time he let up 31 points...he must be total crap....they only had the #2 defense that year. Your little random article without a source even says that their offense was what unraveled.

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Chris36, I suggest you abandon ship on your "Gregg Williams sucks" kick. It's sinking fast and you don't want to go down with it. You are not helping your credibility.

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The defense was ranked fith that year. His offense was ranked 31st. That means opposing teams had to score, very little.

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Let's put this into context.... What really is taken to consideration when talking about GW? The real issue is whether or not you want to keep him. As an owner... You've got to hold on to him. He is a proven NFL caliber coach, and one bad year plagued by injuries, does not require you abandon ship.

Whereas you can't use Pierson's injury as an excuse... don't exclude it as a non-factor.

The blame game can go to anyone... but if you ask me I think the problem is more likely the talent on the field, as opposed to the coaching. Does some of that burden go onto the coach, absolutley... but he by no mean has "lost his touch".

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Yeah, your probably right.
[QUOTE]Chris36, I suggest you abandon ship on your "Gregg Williams sucks" kick. It's sinking fast and you don't want to go down with it. You are not helping your credibility.
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I just want to thank Jason Witten for being an idiot tight-end and allowing Troy Vincent to block that idiot kicker's FG attempt. [/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=chris36;244133]The defense was ranked fith that year. His offense was ranked 31st. That means opposing teams had to score, very little.[/QUOTE]

I don't know how you can judge Williams' defense in Buffalo considering that a few minutes ago you didn't even know where else he coached. BTW, the Buffalo D was fierce.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but G. Williams coached in a Super Bowl and did a decent job in slowing down the "greatest show on turf" in that game.

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Guys were arguing over Greg Williams, hes brought our D to great heights his first year and the year after that, by no means has he "lost his touch" thats very ignorant statement, this guy knows what he's doing and if Joe gives up the ropes in the next few seasons i would dare say that Dan Snyder would put him at head coach. However with some offensive help, and Al Saunders offense with a QB and a descent O line could get some exictement back into this organization and fans. Lets not give up on these guys yet. GO SKINS

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[quote=chris36;243973]The coaches are to blame. No other organization has coaches that have more control than the Redskins. I have never liked GW's style of defense, because it has always been vulnerable to the big play. The coaches for other teams dont hire the players like they do in Washington. On top of the players playing like s**t, they are undisciplined and kill themselves with penalties.[/quote]

If you know anything about football you can see that Williams is not the problem. The playeres are playing horrible. And although we are giving up a lot of yardage we are not giving up a ton of points. I blame more of this season on the offense.

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i was at the game yesterday, and the redskins hardly blitzed at all. this was greg williams m.o. in the last two seasons defense. play hard, get to the ball,and be aggressive( i.e - bltz the hell out of the opponent) why all of a sudden did we stop blitzing?

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[quote=hurrykaine;243963]Those aren't all Saunders' calls. Gibbs is heavily involved in the playcalling as well. This offense still reeks of Gibbs v2.0.

Zero TDs in division roadgames this year is inexcusable. All the division losses are on the offense. Gibbs needs to stay away from offensive playcalling, period. Let the old man just manage the players (clearly his strength), and leave the offense to Saunders.[/quote]

This is where I totally agree.

The "O" looks exactly like last years.

No production during December.

Gibbs needs to let go!