Brunell is all class and tough as nails...but now we have to say goodbye
 

I watch him on interviews all the time, this guy is a great speaker and believes in everything the redskins are doing. Hes layed it all out for this team, and does not stop believing. I almost hate seeing this criticism of a guy whos had a great career, and no ring. But at the same time we got to do whats best for this great franchise. I was and still am a Brunell supporter. Hate me all you want to, this guy is all class, a true team player, never complains and theres no controversy with him. He just tries to win week in and week out. Unfortunately he's not getting it done, and yep im in total agreement that it is time for a switch. I just pray that JC is the answer. Sorry if this thread is similar to the others. Lets go SKINS

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[quote=tdSKINS1;244261]I watch him on interviews all the time, this guy is a great speaker and believes in everything the redskins are doing. Hes layed it all out for this team, and does not stop believing. I almost hate seeing this criticism of a guy whos had a great career, and no ring. But at the same time we got to do whats best for this great franchise. I was and still am a Brunell supporter. Hate me all you want to, this guy is all class, a true team player, never complains and theres no controversy with him. He just tries to win week in and week out. Unfortunately he's not getting it done, and yep im in total agreement that it is time for a switch. I just pray that JC is the answer. Sorry if this thread is similar to the others. Lets go SKINS[/quote]


You are a solid #2.

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quite eloquently put!

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[QUOTE=70Chip;244263]You are a solid #2.[/QUOTE]

yeah tdSkins, you're the SHIT! jk. good post.

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very well stated...i like him too i just think now that the season is officially done JG really should get jason campbell his time we'll need him next yr....i luv the skins but we really do suck baDLY THIS YEAR it takes a lot for me to state that here but true well see what ahppens next week

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Dont forget he's also super smart.

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lol

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Brunell has had an incredible career. I would not be surprised to see him playing for another team and doing great. He has lost our faith and it's time to turn it over to Campbell. Otherwise we risk turning Campbell into a "Spurrier/Ramsey" head case. If Doug Williams has the faith to say "go" to Campbell wearing his #17 well then I do too. Sorry Brunell has to go, but he's a rollercoaster and he will either give me, you or Gibbs a heart attack real soon.

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I didn't hear this but a friend of mine said Collins was warming up in the 4th quarter and would have come in if we had gotten the ball back. He heard this on Redskins Radio. Did anyone else hear this?

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I heard it...made me sick to my stomach, if he plays next week...I just don't know is all I can say

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[quote=gibbsisgod;244332]I didn't hear this but a friend of mine said Collins was warming up in the 4th quarter and would have come in if we had gotten the ball back. He heard this on Redskins Radio. Did anyone else hear this?[/quote]


I was elk hunting so I did not watch the game. But yeah if you watch the Gibbs post game, he answers a question(I believe) about Collins warming up.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;244332]I didn't hear this but a friend of mine said Collins was warming up in the 4th quarter and would have come in if we had gotten the ball back. He heard this on Redskins Radio. Did anyone else hear this?[/quote]

Gibbs said that in his postgame presser

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[QUOTE=PhxRedSkin;244336]I was elk hunting so I did not watch the game. But yeah if you watch the Gibbs post game, he answers a question(I believe) about Collins warming up.[/QUOTE]

If Collins starts then Lord help us. There would just be absolutely no good reason to start the guy UNLESS the coaches think that Campbell isn't up to it. This is the absolutely worst case scenario.

btw, good call on the elk hunting instead of watching the pitiful skins effort...

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[quote=gibbsisgod;244332]I didn't hear this but a friend of mine said Collins was warming up in the 4th quarter and would have come in if we had gotten the ball back. He heard this on Redskins Radio. Did anyone else hear this?[/quote]

And what the fuck is up with that? Is that to make sure BRUNELL didn't get hurt?!

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[QUOTE=tdSKINS1;244261]I watch him on interviews all the time, this guy is a great speaker and believes in everything the redskins are doing. Hes layed it all out for this team, and does not stop believing. I almost hate seeing this criticism of a guy whos had a great career, and no ring. But at the same time we got to do whats best for this great franchise. I was and still am a Brunell supporter. Hate me all you want to, this guy is all class, a true team player, never complains and theres no controversy with him. He just tries to win week in and week out. Unfortunately he's not getting it done, and yep im in total agreement that it is time for a switch. I just pray that JC is the answer. Sorry if this thread is similar to the others. Lets go SKINS[/QUOTE]

I for one will question this statement. But I don't hate you!:food-smil

Has Brunell layed it all out for this team? Has he hung in the pocket and taken the hit to complete a big pass? does he not throw the ball away, or complete it short of first downs constantly because defenders may or may not be closing in on him?

No your right he doesn't complain after all who is going to complain about HIMSELF?

No he doesn't run his mouth and create controvery, he is the controversy!

Does Brunell try to win? Yes, but he tries to win like a boxer who tries to win a fight without getting punched in the face, you will usually lose if you take that approach because you will never be close enough to hit your opponent yourself. And that is Brunell in a nutshell!

I want a QB who win's, not a QB who gives a good interview!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;244352]And what the fuck is up with that? Is that to make sure BRUNELL didn't get hurt?![/QUOTE]

:laughing2 :headbange :laughing- :towel: :biggthump :D :rofl: :lol:

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the game was over, and there is santana moss still trotting out on the field, when the skins got the ball. what the hell was the purpose of that? to see if he could re injure his hamstring on the wet field? and, mark brunell, you are a good team mate, a class act, but you have lost it. its time to say good bye. good bye

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[QUOTE=dmek25;244365]the game was over, and there is santana moss still trotting out on the field, when the skins got the ball. what the hell was the purpose of that? to see if he could re injure his hamstring on the wet field? and, mark brunell, you are a good team mate, a class act, but you have lost it. its time to say good bye. good bye[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing when I saw Moss catch that little crossing pattern, as they say in the commercial, BRILLIANT!

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And Brunell was HANGING his receivers out to dry. We're lucky some of the passes Lloyd stretched out for were so bad he didn't get a chance to get hit.

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Yeah, I don't really care at all that Brunell is a nice guy. Patrick Ramsey was a nice guy and people on this board hated on him constantly. Brunell says "all the right things"...okay. Now all he has to do is win football games and he'll be the quarterback I want leading the team. I agree with Offiss, who cares what he says? Win f*ckin games!

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Like it or not, Joe Gibbs' blind allegiance to Mark Brunell is the single-biggest reason he has a losing record during his second stint as head coach. After Gibbs leaves the game for good (a sad day all around), it will be written that tying his fate to Brunell doomed the great coach's return.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;244261]I watch him on interviews all the time, this guy is a great speaker and believes in everything the redskins are doing. Hes layed it all out for this team, and does not stop believing. I almost hate seeing this criticism of a guy whos had a great career, and no ring. But at the same time we got to do whats best for this great franchise. I was and still am a Brunell supporter. Hate me all you want to, this guy is all class, a true team player, never complains and theres no controversy with him. He just tries to win week in and week out. Unfortunately he's not getting it done, and yep im in total agreement that it is time for a switch. I just pray that JC is the answer. Sorry if this thread is similar to the others. Lets go SKINS[/quote]

No doubt he is a class guy, but i can think of 40 million reasons why he wouldn't complain...he's had backup talent for years, i just hope Gibbs isn't too stuborn to make the change...

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Brunell was brought in because Gibbs wanted a good veteran QB who could win for us now. Gibbs knew that Mark wasn't the long term answer - hence the reason for drafting Jason Campbell.

But just remember, even if Campbell comes in against TB, this doesn't mean we have a QB in there who will win us games...but at least we need to find out now.

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[quote=jdlea;244426]Yeah, I don't really care at all that Brunell is a nice guy. Patrick Ramsey was a nice guy and people on this board hated on him constantly. Brunell says "all the right things"...okay. Now all he has to do is win football games and he'll be the quarterback I want leading the team. I agree with Offiss, who cares what he says? Win f*ckin games![/quote]

I don't see what's so difficult for the homers and haters????? you add to the quality of the team or you don't. Ramsey never had it, Brunell has ceased to.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07;244429]Like it or not, Joe Gibbs' blind allegiance to Mark Brunell is the single-biggest reason he has a losing record during his second stint as head coach. After Gibbs leaves the game for good (a sad day all around), it will be written that tying his fate to Brunell doomed the great coach's return.[/QUOTE]

So our shotty pass protection, inconsistent running game, shotty secondary coverage, and poor tackling on defense has nothing to do with why we're losing?

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[quote=skinsguy;244442]So our shotty pass protection, inconsistent running game, shotty secondary coverage, and poor tackling on defense has nothing to do with why we're losing?[/quote]

Yes, all those things contribute to the problem. If, however, we had a playmaker at QB, we would have been better off.

If you're satisfied with Brunell's play, that's fine. I'm not.

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25 out of 30 teams in the NFL don't have a playmaker. they manage to win

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Brunell was great against Houston and his presence was great (IMO) against Dallas. He no longer has the ability to be consistent enough to be a starter in the NFL. I think that Doc Walker has identified the problem. Brunell is hurt. This is not the same guy from the beginning of '05 but it sure as hell looks like the guy from '04. That would explain why he can't make the throws.

Time to close the door and either cut ties or let him be another 7 million dollar backup.

I was embarrassed to wear the colors yesterday. That was a disgusting effort.

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[quote=Hog1;244448]25 out of 30 teams in the NFL don't have a playmaker. they manage to win[/quote]

Umm... If there are 32 teams wouldn't 16 win and 16 lose every week???

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07;244445]Yes, all those things contribute to the problem. If, however, we had a playmaker at QB, we would have been better off.

If you're satisfied with Brunell's play, that's fine. I'm not.[/QUOTE]

Never said I was satisfied and I'm NOT satisfied with Mark Brunell, unless we were 6-3 right now. Having a playmaker at QB would certainly give us a chance to score some more points, but we're not exactly losing by a point or two this season.

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[quote=skinsguy;244442]So our shotty pass protection, inconsistent running game, shotty secondary coverage, and poor tackling on defense has nothing to do with why we're losing?[/quote]

The defense is weak this year. The defense was incredible in 2004 (6-10) and solid last year (10-6). So Joe was .500 with two very good defenses. What is the variable? His handpicked QB.

Now that the defense is shit, we are a losing team. I think it would be a major accomplishment if we win 5 games this year.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;244451]Umm... If there are 32 teams wouldn't 16 win and 16 lose every week???[/quote]

While that is true, you are making the assumption that they do so on the arm of a................playmaker? I can't name more than a handful of QB's I consider playmakers, can you? Point is they have other assets

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;244455]The defense is weak this year. The defense was incredible in 2004 (6-10) and solid last year (10-6). So Joe was .500 with two very good defenses. What is the variable? His handpicked QB.

Now that the defense is shit, we are a losing team. I think it would be a major accomplishment if we win 5 games this year.[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily so. His first year here, there were new players on the offense having to learn a new system. First year for Portis and Brunell...and our best OL at the time, Jansen out for the entire season! Last year Santana Moss comes in and was basically the only goto guy who was a deep threat for us toward the end of the season. Brunell played hurt that first season and Ramsey played scared. It's not black and white.

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[quote=skinsguy;244453]Never said I was satisfied and I'm NOT satisfied with Mark Brunell, unless we were 6-3 right now. Having a playmaker at QB would certainly give us a chance to score some more points, but we're not exactly losing by a point or two this season.[/quote]

You're right, sadly. We are getting blown out by .500 teams like the Eagles and worse. It's a very,very bad situation. The fix is going to take a couple years I'd imagine. As far as QB, let's see what we have in Campbell over the last seven games. If he's not the QB of the future, let's draft one. Lord knows we'll have a great draft position.

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[quote=skinsguy;244462]Not necessarily so. His first year here, there were new players on the offense having to learn a new system. First year for Portis and Brunell...and our best OL at the time, Jansen out for the entire season! Last year Santana Moss comes in and was basically the only goto guy who was a deep threat for us toward the end of the season. Brunell played hurt that first season and Ramsey played scared. It's not black and white.[/quote]

It is that black and white. Look at the Bears. They were a playoff team with Kyle Orton. The 2004 defense was as good as the Bears the last two years.

2004 Brunell was worse than Kyle Orton. 2005 hurt Brunell was worse than Kyle Orton. 2006 hurt Brunell is the worst QB in the league. I said it. He is the WORST starting QB in the league. I challenge someone to come up with somebody who is worse.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;244469]It is that black and white. Look at the Bears. They were a playoff team with Kyle Orton. The 2004 defense was as good as the Bears the last two years.

2004 Brunell was worse than Kyle Orton. 2005 hurt Brunell was worse than Kyle Orton. 2006 hurt Brunell is the worst QB in the league. I said it. He is the WORST starting QB in the league. I challenge someone to come up with somebody who is worse.[/QUOTE]

Joey Harrington, Andrew Walter, and Brad Johnson (he's been pretty bad lately).

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244495]Joey Harrington, Andrew Walter, and Brad Johnson (he's been pretty bad lately).[/quote]

Wrong by a mile on all 3 counts.

Harrington had a 400 yard game recently. Brad used us and is much better than #8. Walter makes throws even with a college quality line.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;244469]It is that black and white. Look at the Bears. They were a playoff team with Kyle Orton. The 2004 defense was as good as the Bears the last two years.

2004 Brunell was worse than Kyle Orton. 2005 hurt Brunell was worse than Kyle Orton. 2006 hurt Brunell is the worst QB in the league. I said it. He is the WORST starting QB in the league. I challenge someone to come up with somebody who is worse.[/QUOTE]

You are comparing apples to oranges.

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[quote=skinsguy;244518]You are comparing apples to oranges.[/quote]

[COLOR=black]Meaningless clichés don't do it for me. How so?[/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;244525][COLOR=black]Meaningless clichés don't do it for me. How so?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

The Bears defense has not taken a nose dive like ours has obviously done this year. The Bears were winning with Kyle because they had the #1 defense in the league which takes off tons of pressure on the offense. Couple that with a good solid running game and it's obvious why they're winning.

Our running game has not been consistent this year. We've brought in a new offensive system and there are obvious problems with pass protection. Even if Campbell comes in and lights it up, we still have problems with pass protection (which is why I don't feel Campbell would be that successful this year anyway,) Portis is still injured, and our defense still hasn't learned to tackle and to NOT give up the big play.

It is irresponsible to assume that bringing in a new QB fixes it all. It is NOT a black and white situation.