Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising
 

I've noticed in the last few weeks that these two free agent acquisitions are starting to get comfortable in the system and have begun to make plays. Maybe Carter wasn't a bust, I just feel he needs to be put in a better position to make plays. These two players have a lot of talent, and they are here to stay in my mind. Your thoughts.

Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising
 

Im not to sure about Carter, he seems too small, and he gets pushed around. I haven't seen the speed we heard about in the offseason.

Now I have been sweating Lloyd since the preseason lol. This kid is a baller, and it is unfortunate because his number hasn't been called enough this year. I always see him laying it out on the line every play, if it is a pass to him or a run.

I remember the run Portis had for a TD agaisnt Dallas, that was all Lloyd blocking, and he was really excited. That is what I wanna see out of a deadbeat skins team, passion.

When we are losing, Lloyd seems to be in pain, if you look at him on the sideline, he looks like the kid playing football in the park. Fights really hard every game and wants to win. He has a pulse, and I am not to sure the rest of this team has that.

I hope he stays with us for many years.

Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising
 

I've been very impressed with Lloyd's downfield blocking on both runs and passes to other receivers. Likewise, I've been happy with some of the catches he's made, especially since he hardly ever see the ball. I'd like to see him run more after the catch, but we all knew that he isn't known for that coming into the season, so I can deal with it.

As for Carter, I'm not impressed but I don't think he's completely useless. One thing that I found really funny was during the dallas game my buddy turned to me and said, "[I]the problem with Carter is that he basically just runs up the field, so he's hardly ever near the ball."[/I] On the very next play dallas tried that reverse with glenn; since Carter was already 8 yards into the backfield (and 4 yards past the QB) he was in perfect position to make a nice tackle for a loss.

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One thing i heard about Lloyd and Randle El is they do not scramble around to get open when the pocket breaks down and Brunell was forced to run. I haven't seen that for myself but I'm hoping that's not the case.

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Andre Carter? ;-)

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[quote=mooby;247139]One thing i heard about Lloyd and Randle El is they do not scramble around to get open when the pocket breaks down and Brunell was forced to run. I haven't seen that for myself but I'm hoping that's not the case.[/quote]

You heard that from BMitch or the game annoucer i think lol. I think that might be true to an extent, but that is with Brunell. I think the recievers knew he couldnt get it to him. I doubt that will be an issue with Campbell.

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yeah, leave the YAC up to moss and randle el, that is their specialty, while I think lloyd could become more of a redzone threat with his jumping ability.

Carter just isnt being used correctly, I think he would thrive in the 3-4. He's better when he starts the play upright. We don't have many athletes on our defense, we lack speed, that is something he brings to the table. You have to admit he is making some plays.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;247144]yeah, leave the YAC up to moss and randle el, that is their specialty, while I think lloyd could become more of a redzone threat with his jumping ability.

Carter just isnt being used correctly, I think he would thrive in the 3-4. He's better when he starts the play upright. We don't have many athletes on our defense, we lack speed, that is something he brings to the table. You have to admit he is making some plays.[/quote]

I dont think changing into a 3-4 is the answer. And he did play 3-4 last year with SF, and he didnt put up great numbers.

I just say give him time, and let's see what happens. Let the D gel.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;247125]I remember the run Portis had for a TD agaisnt Dallas, that was all Lloyd blocking, and he was really excited. That is what I wanna see out of a deadbeat skins team, passion.[/QUOTE]

Word. That was great blocking, and he was SO pumped after that. He deserves most of the credit for that play ending in a TD. I can't say anything bad about Lloyd ... still waiting on Carter though :/

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[QUOTE=hooskins;247146]I dont think changing into a 3-4 is the answer. And he did play 3-4 last year with SF, and he didnt put up great numbers.

I just say give him time, and let's see what happens. Let the D gel.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he played 3-4 last year in SF, but he was a LB. Still, I think he'd do worse in a 3-4 ... he needs as much help on the line as he can get.

Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising
 

lloyd is quickly becoming one of my favorite redskins. I like his passion and his enthusiasm. I thought it was cool of him to post a blog during training camp and he seems to have amazing physical gifts for someone as freakin skinny as that guy is...lol...

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Lloyd=Tyrone Biggums anyone?

[IMG]http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/images/lloyd.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.geocities.com/hernandez3189@sbcglobal.net/DaveChappelle.jpg[/IMG]

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Oh yeah ... in an interview Lloyd was once quoted as saying he loves crack and peanut butter sandwiches ... hehe.

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[quote=hooskins;247146]I dont think changing into a 3-4 is the answer. And he did play 3-4 last year with SF, and he didnt put up great numbers.

I just say give him time, and let's see what happens. Let the D gel.[/quote]

If we're thinking 3-4, THAT'S where you could actually use Archuleta.

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lloyd isn't bad and he blocks well.... lloyd and el are still overpaid though (the next highest offer to el was 8mill SB, 18mill total - vs our 10mill SB, 31mill total).

carter' looked average at best :( he's shown some improvement though, but for what he's paid? :/

and yes, you need to judge performance according to contracts, because those huge overheads hurt the team's ability to improve.

Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;247188]lloyd isn't bad and he blocks well.... lloyd and el are still overpaid though (the next highest offer to el was 8mill SB, 18mill total - vs our 10mill SB, 31mill total).[/QUOTE]

If you had the power to go back and sign just one of the two, which one would you choose?

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[quote=TAFKAS;247189]If you had the power to go back and sign just one of the two, which one would you choose?[/quote]

Obviously ARE, because he returns punts, and throw.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;247211]Obviously ARE, because he returns punts, and throw.[/QUOTE]

He chose poooooor-leeeee.


j/k - haven't used an Indiana Jones reference in awhile.

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loyd has shown promise, though at times he either ran a route wrong or there was miscommunication w/MB. He can go deep, we know that.
I hope Carter has just not been feeling it, & is waiting to break out. No excuses, we'll take any progress we can get.

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[quote=TAFKAS;247189]If you had the power to go back and sign just one of the two, which one would you choose?[/quote]

el, i mean, neither one of the WRs looks that bad, but we've got patten sorta cheap and those contracts are killers if they're allowed to hit their 4th year for the current production.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;247188]lloyd isn't bad and he blocks well.... lloyd and el are still overpaid though (the next highest offer to el was 8mill SB, 18mill total - vs our 10mill SB, 31mill total).

carter' looked average at best :( he's shown some improvement though, but for what he's paid? :/

and yes, you need to judge performance according to contracts, because those huge overheads hurt the team's ability to improve.[/QUOTE]

Can't blame them for getting huge contracts - blame the FO. I have been pleasantly surprised by Lloyd, not in terms of numbers but in terms of commitment - the guy obviously burns to win. His numbers will go up when the passing game opens up.

Carter has been disappointing but has shown sparks and has the explosive speed the skins D needs. I feel that what he really needs is some more support from inside - a little more pressure coming from elsewhere on the line could help him tremendously.

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If anything, he needs to work inside. He ends up trying to work outside and gets pushed downfield.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;247358]If anything, he needs to work inside. He ends up trying to work outside and gets pushed downfield.[/QUOTE]

Good point! Despite being paid 'Main Man' money, I don't think that Carter is 'Main Man' material. However, if the Skins did have a genuine 'Main Man' on the other end, Carter could be a very good player - maybe 10-12 sacks a season.

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He needs to use those tree trugs for arms he has and throw somebody down!

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;247406]He needs to use those tree trugs for arms he has and throw somebody down![/QUOTE]

At the moment, I get the impression that he is more likely to use them for impressing girls on the beach.

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I predict 2 sacks from carter this week, and 80 yards recieving from Lloyd, especially of moss is out. But I'm retarted..................ly in love with the redskins.

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Hey, let's lay off on the criticism of Andre Carter.

Remember, it's the defensive tackles' fault -- not his -- that he's not getting to the quarterback.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;247428]Hey, let's lay off on the criticism of Andre Carter.

Remember, it's the defensive tackles' fault -- not his -- that he's not getting to the quarterback.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I blame those pesky offensive linemen for getting in his way. If they weren't there he'd get a couple of sacks.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;247142]You heard that from BMitch or the game annoucer i think lol. I think that might be true to an extent, but that is with Brunell. I think the recievers knew he couldnt get it to him. I doubt that will be an issue with Campbell.[/QUOTE]

I dont buy it, the running back had teh ball dumped off to him before the receivers finished their routes to begin with...

Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising
 

[quote=The Zimmermans;247412]I predict 2 sacks from carter this week, and 80 yards recieving from Lloyd, especially of moss is out. [COLOR=black][B]But I'm retarted..................ly in love with the redskins.[/quote][/B][/COLOR]

hahah god i feel the same way.....i do see Lloyd being way more involved this weel, possibly carter as well

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[QUOTE=marius;247479]Actually, I blame those pesky offensive linemen for getting in his way. If they weren't there he'd get a couple of sacks.[/QUOTE]

I wholeheartedly agree. I was sarcastically repeating one of the more mystifying excuses that some at this message board have actually used to defend Carter.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;247626]I wholeheartedly agree. I was sarcastically repeating one of the more mystifying excuses that some at this message board have actually used to defend Carter.[/QUOTE]

I think you're completely twisting the thread that SGG had started. I don't think he was absolving AC of blame entirely. He was just saying, correctly, that healthy DTs could help relieve pressure, draw double teams and free Carter up.

I agree that more is expected of Carter but strong play from the interior would go a long way toward helping him.

Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising
 

Carter has shown no real pass rushing skills to speak of, it looks as if he's a guy who would fly off the charts at a combine workout but really has no football savey.

Lloyd on the other hand has had only one problem so far and that is Brunell, I constantly see him beating his man deep, he runs real nice routes and sucks the defenders in with his fakes, unfortuantly that doesn't matter if the
QB can't get the ball to you. I to believe Lloyd will be a favorite of Campbell.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;247629]I think you're completely twisting the thread that SGG had started. I don't think he was absolving AC of blame entirely. He was just saying, correctly, that healthy DTs could help relieve pressure, draw double teams and free Carter up.

I agree that more is expected of Carter but strong play from the interior would go a long way toward helping him.[/QUOTE]

[B]B[/B]ravo [B]S[/B]ierra. It's not often that offensive tackles take part in a double team on a D-tackle while leaving the defensive end free in a passing situation. In the rare instances that it does happen, a tight end is usually left to block -- something that even adequate defensive ends are supposed to be able to exploit. In Carter's case, we've yet to see it.

In any case, defensive tackles are generally tied up with three interior lineman anyway (meaning someone's getting double-teamed on just about every play), leaving one-on-one battles between ends and tackles. As I said before, defensive tackles getting the kind of penetration you and SGG are talking about would result in THEM getting the sacks -- making Carter, and every other defensive end useless, or in our case blameless in not being able to get to the quarterback.

Sure, it'd be great if Griffin and Salave'a were blowing up the middle and getting in the QBs face before he has time to think. But that has [U]nothing[/U] to do with Carter's complete inability apply any sort of pressure to the passer.

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[quote=TAFKAS;247189]If you had the power to go back and sign just one of the two, which one would you choose?[/quote]Randle El. Although you lose the ability to make plays in 1 v 1 situations, you need the punt returning ability and the versatility to break the game wide open.

Since the new CBA was agreed upon, I think that the most important thing for roster building is no longer managing the salary cap (because over the next few years, the cap is going to increase at a ridiculous rate), its managing the active roster. Espicially at the WR position, with guys who don't touch the ball all that much, you are in today's game hurting your team by having a guy who can do nothing but play WR taking up a roster spot. Now if you are Santana Moss, and can do things on a football field others can only dream of, that's another thing.

There is really nothing versatile about Brandon Lloyd, per say. Over the last few games, he's been helping the offense by making catches in tight coverage. Of course, over his career, he really hasn't been good at getting seperation, so it's a good thing he can make those catches in traffic. I expect him to improve over the rest of the year.

But if we could only have had one, it should have been Randle El.

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As far as Carter, I'm really not sure what we saw in him that made us think he would be the next great pass rusher in this league. I mean, he is getting pressure on the QB. Mario Williams is also getting some pressure on the QB for Houston...and we have the two worst pass D's in the league.

They are similar situations. I think when he (Carter) came in, people were thinking we had brought in the next big thing in the NFL. 6 consecutive pro bowls or something. We FINALLY had that pass rush. But we really had nothing to base that on.

I remember in the over/under thread, Carter's over/under was 10 sacks...and a lot of people, maybe 75% took the OVER! (I was called out for taking the under) Carter hasn't got as many sacks as we would have liked, but we also aren't blitzing as much, and he's getting to (pressuring) the QB a few times a game, which is good for any player.

I think if we didn't have unrealistic expectations for the guy, we wouldn't be heaping the defensive troubles on him. He's not an elite player, will never be an elite player, but he's a solid pass rusher.

One thing he doesn't do as well was Wynn was anchor against the run. We still are an above average D vs the run...but when you line up Holdman behind him, you have big problems.

I think the LB core should shoulder much of the blame for the D's struggles? Marcus Washington?! Lemar Marshall?! How could they be so good last year and completely fall off the face of the earth now? Where are you guys???

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I'm happy with our FA wideout acquisitions... considering they're brand new to an offense that is also getting used to a new system, they've made the most of their opportunities with the ball... Lloyd hasn't really shown the tendency to drop easy passes (while catching the acrobatic ones in SF), knock on wood. ARE's punt returns have been excellent- something we haven't had in a long time.

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[quote=GTripp0012;247654]
I think if we didn't have unrealistic expectations for the guy, we wouldn't be heaping the defensive troubles on him.[/quote]


if he didn't have a 30mill contract, he wouldn't have 30mill expectations thrust upon him.

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someone please tell me that carter doesnt = mike mumala. a workout stud, that looks great at that combine, that really cant play in this league. carter is basically payed big money to get to the quarterback. hell, i havent seen him use the speed rush yet. always seems like he is locked up with some offensive lineman. and anyone making excuses for him better watch the next game, because it seems like every game is like groundhog day with him, the same old thing.

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[quote=That Guy;247697]if he didn't have a 30mill contract, he wouldn't have 30mill expectations thrust upon him.[/quote]Well, do we not dump 30 mil contracts on absoultely everyone?

It's hard to expect everyone to play up to their contract when their contracts are so blown up, so why do we as fans have such unrealistic expectations if everyone has a big deal?

Did anyone actually think we [I]didn't[/I] overpay for these guys? I mean, I don't think it matters, but none of our acquistions were worth that much money. Not even close.