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[QUOTE]An obvious question this week has been how much the offense will
change now that it's being run by a younger, more mobile
quarterback with a stronger arm. Assistant coach Saunders, who
calls the plays, said he'll "go in a different direction" with
parts of the game plan. But the coach also said he has yet to fully
implement the schemes that worked so well for him in Kansas City.
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[QUOTE]"We've not tapped into a lot of things," Saunders said. "It's
not the quarterback; it's the other 10 players. It's the whole
system that has to be developed at a higher level before we can go
to the next step."
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He has yet to fully implement the schemes that worked so well in K.C.?? What is going on here? Joe Gibbs was quoted earlier in the season as saying that he was surprised that players were taking so long to learn and adapt to the offense. If this was supposed to be a superbowl run this year, and all indications suggest that is the case, how can this have happened? Was there a fundamental communication breakdown between Gibbs and Saunders and their expectations going into this year? Is there something else happening with some of our offensive players that we don't know?

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I think it was the players and the fans who said that, not the coaches.

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It seems like it all come down the the O-line with this offense, once they come around, everything should work itself out

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Collins said this offense would take an [B]entire year [/B]to fully master. Looks like he was telling the truth.

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You've just got to hope that with the rest of this season and then the whole of the offseason Saunders can work with Campbell and the rest of the offense and get his system fully in place. We've got to give the guy at two years in my view before we can make a judgement on his offense.

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And since the season is basically in the shitter right now, any progress is just gravy from here on out.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;247395]I think it was the players and the fans who said that, not the coaches.[/QUOTE]
At the beginning of training camp Mark Brunell said anything short of a Super Bowl berth would be a disappointment for this season.
So, screw the FO for bringing in a new offensive coordinator to completely overhaul the entire offense. Thanks for wasting yet another season guys.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;247402]And since the season is basically in the shitter right now, any progress is just gravy from here on out.[/QUOTE]

Too right. All I want to see is some progress (downfield passes, TDs, TOP, spreading the ball around) this season, even if it is small, baby steps. Then, hopefully that can be built on in the off season.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;247407]At the beginning of training camp Mark Brunell said anything short of a Super Bowl berth would be a disappointment for this season.
So, screw the FO for bringing in a new offensive coordinator to completely overhaul the entire offense. Thanks for wasting yet another season guys.[/quote]


the front office?? this was Gibbs decision to bring Saunders in. He felt it would be better for the offense. I guess 11th in the NFL last season, 6 straight wins playing Redskin football wasn't good enough

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That's typical (of late) redskins football. They make the playoff for the 1st time since 2000 and have an offense that is finally starting to click and what do they do for the 2006 season, scrap it all and start from scratch. This organization never builds on anything.

It seems like we all should have realized that super bowl contender and installing a new 700 page playbook were just not compatable.

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[quote=B.F. SKINner;247393]He has yet to fully implement the schemes that worked so well in K.C.?? What is going on here? Joe Gibbs was quoted earlier in the season as saying that he was surprised that players were taking so long to learn and adapt to the offense. If this was supposed to be a superbowl run this year, and all indications suggest that is the case, how can this have happened? Was there a fundamental communication breakdown between Gibbs and Saunders and their expectations going into this year? Is there something else happening with some of our offensive players that we don't know?[/quote]

Gibbs once again ( see the tj duckett trade) freaked out becasue the offense stunk in the playoffs. They just should have added on from last year.

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[quote=irish;247420]That's typical (of late) redskins football. They make the playoff for the 1st time since 2000 and have an offense that is finally starting to click and what do they do for the 2006 season, scrap it all and start from scratch. This organization never builds on anything.

It seems like we all should have realized that super bowl contender and installing a new 700 page playbook were just not compatable.[/quote]

For the short run they are clearly not compatible but what about over the course of 4 or 5 years. If it takes this long for the offense to learn it then it's going to take the rest of the NFL a whole lot longer to defend against it.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;247427]For the short run they are clearly not compatible but what about over the course of 4 or 5 years. If it takes this long for the offense to learn it then it's going to take the rest of the NFL a whole lot longer to defend against it.[/QUOTE]

So now the fans have to put up with another 4 or 5 year plan that has no guarantees of success? Thats asking an awful lot from fans that are spending lots of $ on tickets to sit through another rebuild.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;247407]At the beginning of training camp Mark Brunell said anything short of a Super Bowl berth would be a disappointment for this season.
So, screw the FO for bringing in a new offensive coordinator to completely overhaul the entire offense. Thanks for wasting yet another season guys.[/quote]

Do you truly believe that it is outrageous to still be struggling to resurrect a francise that was allowed to degenerate into complete disarray for the past dozen years or so? To complete a task that 6 or so other head coaches have failed to do in that time frame with this team?

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It's certainly a long-term situation, setting everything up so when Gibbs steps asides, he knows he's got quality guys taking over. Same growing pains happened 2 years ago when Gibbs came back. It takes time for an offense to be implemented and click. I don't think the coaching staff thought it would take this long, and thought they had a playoff run in hand.

I wouldn't call this season a waste. It looks like Brunell could be led out to pasture after this season if Campbell does well. Saunders will get all gears going on this juggernaut. While it sucks now, long term is looking good.

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nice post BD, agreed. I want the team playing better as well. That apparently is not realistic.............IMO

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[quote=irish;247434]So now the fans have to put up with another 4 or 5 year plan that has no guarantees of success? Thats asking an awful lot from fans that are spending lots of $ on tickets to sit through another rebuild.[/quote]

No, not at all. I'm saying the first year in this offense is a "sacrifice" so that the team can enjoy long term success over the next 4-5 years, hopefully longer but the chances of Saunders staying that long or longer are slim in my opinion.

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[COLOR=black]Here’s a positive...mathematically we are not out[/COLOR]

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;247407]At the beginning of training camp Mark Brunell said anything short of a Super Bowl berth would be a disappointment for this season.
So, screw the FO for bringing in a new offensive coordinator to completely overhaul the entire offense. Thanks for wasting yet another season guys.[/quote]
What else would MB say? As a player that should be your mind set every year and as a team who made it to the second level in the post season that should be the expectations.

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[quote=irish;247434]So now the fans have to put up with another 4 or 5 year plan that has no guarantees of success? Thats asking an awful lot from fans that are spending lots of $ on tickets to sit through another rebuild.[/quote]


Guaranty success? Are we talking about the NFL?

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[QUOTE=61cad;247481]Guaranty success? Are we talking about the NFL?[/QUOTE]

Thats my point, there is no gaurantee of success so the fans have to put up with another rebuild that may or may not work. I think thats a lot to ask for again.

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Where was all this opposition when he was hired? All I heard was how his O has been ranked so high and how he would open up the O. Now that the year has gone bad it was just another Redskin mistake. Remember our D kept us in alot of games that our O would have lost last year but our D won with holding the other team to few points.

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How about these quotes from former Skins, on Joe Gibbs. (Source USA Today column, 11/17)

Gibbs' management has been skewered by some former Redskins. Many of them area sports-talk radio barkers. This week, they had plenty to say on-air:

John Riggins: "This is not a good football team. They have the ability to turn into a bad football team."

Brian Mitchell: "The coach should start answering questions. The atmosphere (is) a country club; guys think they are rock stars."

Doc Walker: "Joe gets a get-out-of-jail-free card. (Adding '05), he has 20 weeks of inept production on offense. Call it the way it is: Take the blinders off. The evaluators must be evaluated."

Gibbs, who once worked 100-hour weeks, said upon his return that he was going to need a lot of help. Wow, was he right. Dan Snyder, for all his meddlesome ways, has given Gibbs all the tools any coach could possibly ask for — team presidency, de facto GM powers, an open checkbook and the highest-paid staff of assistants in history.
The meticulous coach with the nervous giggle has produced 19 victories in 41 regular-season games. For $5-million-plus a year, the president of this Washington institution is quite fortunate that it is he who is not up for re-election.

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Anyone consider that maybe JG told DS he'd take the job if he could hire whoever? And that JG wanted to hire AS in 04, but he wasn't available till now?

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;247499]Anyone consider that maybe JG told DS he'd take the job if he could hire whoever? And that JG wanted to hire AS in 04, but he wasn't available till now?[/QUOTE]

If that was the case it would be more of the same rock solid mentality that kept Brunell in for so long.
You've got to be fluid to succeed. Just because Gibbs wanted Saunders a few years ago when the team was just starting to rebuild doesn't mean that he needed to go out and get him after he already had something decent established.

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I get so annoyed with how people connect the price of something with how good it is. These coaches may not be any good even though we pay them a lot, just like our free agents. High-Priced means absolutely nothing to me, especially with snyder being our owner. If gibbs told him to sign jeff george for $10 miillion he would. If i were other teams i would try to bait the redskins into free agents by placing bids on them knowing the redskins would beat out with higher bids.....i think other teams have actually started to do that. Then, since the redskins can't evaluate talent for some reason, they start to rely on other teams' interests in free agents and draft picks, and make their personell decisions based on how interested other teams are in those specified players, especially if these players are jersey sellers.

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie;247455]It's certainly a long-term situation, setting everything up so when Gibbs steps asides, he knows he's got quality guys taking over. Same growing pains happened 2 years ago when Gibbs came back. It takes time for an offense to be implemented and click. I don't think the coaching staff thought it would take this long, and thought they had a playoff run in hand.

I wouldn't call this season a waste. It looks like Brunell could be led out to pasture after this season if Campbell does well. Saunders will get all gears going on this juggernaut. While it sucks now, long term is looking good.[/QUOTE]

I think that's the bigger plan of bringing in Saunders. For next year and beyond, more so than this year.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;247502]If that was the case it would be more of the same rock solid mentality that kept Brunell in for so long.
You've got to be fluid to succeed. Just because Gibbs wanted Saunders a few years ago when the team was just starting to rebuild doesn't mean that he needed to go out and get him after he already had something decent established.[/quote]

Good point. My point is that Gibbs may have come back w/the expectation that he wouldn't have to work late hrs. That considered, he saw Al was free & figured he's the best O-coordinator out there (not just best available).
My main problem w/AS's hiring has been the timing, just as you said the team was doing well last year. However, Gibbs is team prez & he's got 2 more yrs. here. He was thinking as much as a GM than a head coach when he hired al. Plus, he's more patient than we are. I'll wait till his time is up to call this one. If we start scoring points, we'll love the hiring of Al Saunders. Let's see what happens this week for starters, feels like a season opener!
On a more cynical note, he could be taking advantage of the Danny just the way players do - hire a coach w/DS's $ so he doesn't have to work as much. I hate to say that, but the thought has crossed my mind!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;247400]Collins said this offense would take an [B]entire year [/B]to fully master. Looks like he was telling the truth.[/quote]

And with a QB change, it might be even longer.

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[quote=hooskins;247536]And with a QB change, it might be even longer.[/quote]

which is why the change should have been made earlier

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Regardless, it won't be any different for Campbell. It's not like the backups are running a different system than Brunell was. He'll just have better playmakers to get the ball to.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;247536]And with a QB change, it might be even longer.[/QUOTE]

Well I mean I'm pretty excited about the change....but not [I]that[/I] excited

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[quote=TAFKAS;247544]Well I mean I'm pretty excited about the change....but not [I]that[/I] excited[/quote]

Damn, TAFKAS! Wutsamattawichoo?

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[quote=724Skinsfan;247551]Damn, TAFKAS! Wutsamattawichoo?[/quote]

he's lookig at the BIG picture....if campbell could play THAT well, he woulda been playing already, right? logical concern but, with Gibbs' affinity for verterans it may prove otherwise....

HTTR!

:httr: :httr: :point:

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;247554]he's lookig at the BIG picture....if campbell could play THAT well, he woulda been playing already, right? logical concern but, with Gibbs' affinity for verterans it may prove otherwise....

HTTR!

:httr: :httr: :point:[/QUOTE]

Actually, it was a limp attempt at some lowbrow bathroom humor. Next time I'll try harder

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[quote=TAFKAS;247544]Well I mean I'm pretty excited about the change....but not [I]that[/I] excited[/quote]
yeah I got the joke lol....

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[quote=TAFKAS;247561]Actually, it was a limp attempt at some lowbrow bathroom humor. Next time I'll try harder[/quote]

Yeah, my attempt to acknowledge the humor was met with some stiff resistance.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;247569]Yeah, my attempt to acknowledge the humor was met with some stiff resistance.[/quote]

hah stiff...loll

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More like flacid resistance.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;247569]Yeah, my attempt to acknowledge the humor was met with some stiff resistance.[/QUOTE]

If someone still didn't get the joke after 4 hours I was going to talk to an admin