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I'm sorry to everybody that this is not addressed to. With that said, the rest of you quit grilling OUR Redskins for everything that is not going well in your own life. Especially Gibbs. If you want to start grilling, lets get Arch on the fire , and how about Carlos and Springs for weak upper body tackles. Oh, and yeah how about Brunell being confused as to what play to call because Sauders #437 page play call was not perfectly remembered.
This is my point and I'm done: we are 3-6, like it or leave it, we are much less than we expected, if this is the worst you've seen from the Redskins(historically) then go elsewhere. I'm here to stay FOREVER. Anybody right now who is second guessing Danny, Joe, Al, Gregg, Vinny or the all of the rest of us should pick and root for another team.
See there was this guy once playing for the AZ Wranglers in the USFL and a few years later he won a SB. There are a few SB records he broke in a stomping of the Broncos. He wore #17, NOW WE WEAR #17.

Hail 3 SB's

Braves are on the WarPath

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TY for saying that

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its going to take much than someone showing up to play qb with 17 on their jersey. Lets hope JC lives up to putting the 17 on.

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[QUOTE=PhxRedSkin;247725]I'm sorry to everybody that this is not addressed to. With that said, the rest of you quit grilling OUR Redskins for everything that is not going well in your own life. Especially Gibbs. If you want to start grilling, lets get Arch on the fire , and how about Carlos and Springs for weak upper body tackles. Oh, and yeah how about Brunell being confused as to what play to call because Sauders #437 page play call was not perfectly remembered.
This is my point and I'm done: we are 3-6, like it or leave it, we are much less than we expected, if this is the worst you've seen from the Redskins(historically) then go elsewhere. I'm here to stay FOREVER. Anybody right now who is second guessing Danny, Joe, Al, Gregg, Vinny or the all of the rest of us should pick and root for another team.
See there was this guy once playing for the AZ Wranglers in the USFL and a few years later he won a SB. There are a few SB records he broke in a stomping of the Broncos. He wore #17, NOW WE WEAR #17.

Hail 3 SB's

Braves are on the WarPath

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I blame them all for the burning sensation when I urinate.

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

[QUOTE=PhxRedSkin;247725]I'm sorry to everybody that this is not addressed to. With that said, the rest of you quit grilling OUR Redskins for everything that is not going well in your own life. Especially Gibbs. If you want to start grilling, lets get Arch on the fire , and how about Carlos and Springs for weak upper body tackles. Oh, and yeah how about Brunell being confused as to what play to call because Sauders #437 page play call was not perfectly remembered.
This is my point and I'm done: we are 3-6, like it or leave it, we are much less than we expected, if this is the worst you've seen from the Redskins(historically) then go elsewhere. I'm here to stay FOREVER. Anybody right now who is second guessing Danny, Joe, Al, Gregg, Vinny or the all of the rest of us should pick and root for another team.
See there was this guy once playing for the AZ Wranglers in the USFL and a few years later he won a SB. There are a few SB records he broke in a stomping of the Broncos. He wore #17, NOW WE WEAR #17.

Hail 3 SB's

Braves are on the WarPath

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So, in your opinion, we should all be satisfied or just shut up? Wow, that will make for an awesome board...

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

No kidding. I made this argument the other day. It shouldn't be considered offensive to speak our minds and voice displeasure with the team. It is possible to be a faithful fan and a critic. Actually, it is probably the responsibility of a fan to be critical sometimes.

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I think he makes a good point. The Warpath can be just a bit pessimistic. There is constant arguing even when we are winning. You guys can be brutal.

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"Not going well in our own lives" WTF. Maybe it's not really the REST of US that are internalizing this.

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Yeah, people can be critical, but that's because the wins they've had this year got them to 1-2, 2-2 and 3-5...not exactly the best of records. It looked like they had it turned around against Jacksonville, but this team then proceded to collapse. I think that's probably why people have been critical of the team. They're 3-6 and Brunell, the defense, and the majority of the O Line have been garbage this season. If it bothers everyone that I'm saying that, then I'm sorry for telling the truth.

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phxredskins you must not realize that as fans we can do what we wanna do every action has a reaction just because someone questions or complains it does not make them less of a fan and that is what what thewarpath.net is for if everyone was like you then this website would be a boring ass site so deal with it or find somewhere else to go!

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

You're only less of a fan if you hate Gibbs!!!!

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I'm a Redskins fan for life. I'm also a critic of our teams decision making for life. It's just part of being a fan. In a twisted sort of way, it's part of what makes being a fan fun.

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I think the only thing we haven't bitched about is the band. That being said, I would like send out a big BOOOO to Snyder for not buying them new uniforms. He also makes them practice in the parking lot. BOOO HISSS...

Ok, I think that covers the whole organization now.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;247744]I think he makes a good point. The Warpath can be just a bit pessimistic. There is constant arguing even when we are winning. You guys can be brutal.[/QUOTE]

Weren't you the one being pessimistic about the QB change?

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I vote to ban anyone who comes on this board with this ridiculous, cockamamey, bullshit argument that we should all stop being fans of the team if we're going to be the least bit critical.

I'm so tired of hearing it; part of the fun of being a fan is analyzing it and deciding for yourself how you'd handle things if you were in charge of the 'Skins.

RETARDED THREAD

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

YEAH!! And....Dallas Sucks.

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This is a retarded thread, I really feel some of you fans think that once someone is a redskins, or was a skin, you cannot be critical towards them. That is silly, is a Redskins player a god???? Jeez I love what Green did on the field, but that doesnt mean I am gonna have blind man love for him off the field. My accounts about him have showed he can be an asshole. Why is that soo hard to grasp. Sorry to burst you bubble guys, but this is common in sports, not just with Green.

Tons of players can be assholes off the field, and I am not surprised that they are.

Get over it and grow up.

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

now there you go calling Mr Redskin an asshole.. just because he has a different attitude off the field than he did on the field and it's not to your liking makes him an asshole? he might be different than what you would expect but does that constitute calling him an asshole??? so get over it and stop calling someone who didnt run up to you offering his first born , an asshole.

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[quote=hesscl34;247753]You're only less of a fan if you hate Gibbs!!!![/quote]
and call one of the greatest , if not the greatest, cornerbacks an asshole

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Let me make this point. I realize that we have Redskins fans who want to win and want to win now. Heck, all of us should be wanting to see our team win and be champions. In the end, I don't believe any of us really care who leads us to these victories, whether it be this coaching staff or another one, Jason Campbell or Mark Brunell or even Todd Collins. We just want to see "W's" put up on the board and not "L's".

But at the sametime, it shouldn't be hard to figure out why we hold such an allegiance to Joe Gibbs. Him and his coaching staff is what brought this team our last true glory years of this franchise. Gibbs is probably one of the main reasons that we're Redskins fans today. At least it's him and those great players from the 80's and early 90's that made me such a big fan of this team. I understand that some fans here became fans because the team is in your hometown, but I don't care if this team played in Seattle, Washington instead of D.C., I would still pull for them.

Like it or not, Joe Gibbs should be given some type of amnesty for his accomplishments. What would it profit us to fire him and put someone else in to coach, just because they would be younger? Just might give us more years to be a losing team. I say give Gibbs as long as he needs for the simple fact that while people argue it was all Bobby Beathard in the 80's and that football has changed dramatically nowadays, football comes down to X's and O's. Gibbs knows how to coach. He knows how to motivate and he knows the X's and O's. You forget that alot is on his shoulders. He's trying to make all the right moves to rebuild this entire franchise. It's going to take time. Alot of us agreed when Gibbs first come here that it might take him all 5 years on his contract to get this team back to good standings. At least half of those people now are wanting him fired because they're too impatient. Hey, I wanna win just like the next guy, but I'm willing to allow someone who HAS been success in this league to build the team right than to put someone else in who will mess around for a year or two and dig this team deeper in a hole.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;247791] My accounts about him have showed he can be an asshole. Why is that soo hard to grasp. Sorry to burst you bubble guys, but this is common in sports, not just with Green.
[/QUOTE]

How so?

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

I completely agree with Schneed10, as I mentioned in a previous post. Being a critic is an important part of being a fan, and there is a difference between a critic and a whinner, as most of us can recognize.

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Some of you have taken me wrong here. There is nothing objectionable to being critical about our Redskins. Yes, it would be boring if we didn't have things to remark about. That is football and I would never take the element of chance out of the game. It would not be worth watching(any football game, even pop warner.) The point of this thread was that 28 has in my mind always been a stand up guy and role model. "Hi I'm Darrell Green of the Washington Redskins and The United Way." Be critical, be hardnosed and foul if you may when we do not play well. What this thread was about is please do not trash or excrete on your family when we are not living up to the expected. Criticize all that you would like to, but please do not shit on our family. Shitting on should be left for the rest of the nfc east. On a different note, protect Campbell(line) and I forsee good things for the next 7 games.
As always Hail

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I think it's normal for fans to be critical when the team is 3 and 6. Also, I have heard enough stories of Green's prickly behaviour from enough different sources to conclude that he can be... well, ...prickly. It wouldn't be that much of a shock if he didn't have a reputation that was very nearly saint-like. Of course, none of that diminishes his accomplishments as a football player.

I will say that if someone is going to be critical of Gibbs, they can expect to be criticized in return. The man has done more than earn the respect and regard of those of us who have followed this team for a while. I think that may explain some of the disconnect. I have to remind myself that there are many fans who simply aren't old enough to remember how magical Gibbs 1 was. But, no reasonable and civil argument should be out of bounds. We have to be honest and realistic. Coach Joe has told us as much himself.

But, when I see someone slam Gibbs and then express dismay at the lack of ensuing applause, it reminds me of certain celebrities. Specifically, the country music singer whom I refer to simply as "The Fat One in the Middle".

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I love Gibbs as much as anyone. I also think a CERTAIN amount of amnesty is warranted. However, no one is immune from criticism after a point. Should we never question his decision making forever based on past success? Do we all get a lifelong pass at our jobs because we were productive in the past? Like it or not, we are judged on how we produce today with more or less of a break based on past performance. Gibbs certainly gets a major break, however his stubborness does, at times, get under my skin

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

I think people are getting being critical and being impatient mixed up. I don't believe nobody here has ever said not to question anything Gibbs does, but I think most of us are saying to pack in and start all over again now is being waay out of line.

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

I do not think we should "pack it in". I do think that the organization needs a lesson in strategic planning. Everyone, including Snyder, Gibbs, Cerrato, Williams and Saunders need to look how successful teams in the recent past have become successful long term, then start heading in this direction. I do think if management is unwilling to do this, then we need to start over. Putting in Campbell looks to be a first step of positive change, but certainly more needs to be done without stubbornness and ego getting in the way.

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

[quote=skinsguy;247799]Let me make this point. I realize that we have Redskins fans who want to win and want to win now. Heck, all of us should be wanting to see our team win and be champions. In the end, I don't believe any of us really care who leads us to these victories, whether it be this coaching staff or another one, Jason Campbell or Mark Brunell or even Todd Collins. We just want to see "W's" put up on the board and not "L's".

But at the sametime, it shouldn't be hard to figure out why we hold such an allegiance to Joe Gibbs. Him and his coaching staff is what brought this team our last true glory years of this franchise. Gibbs is probably one of the main reasons that we're Redskins fans today. At least it's him and those great players from the 80's and early 90's that made me such a big fan of this team. I understand that some fans here became fans because the team is in your hometown, but I don't care if this team played in Seattle, Washington instead of D.C., I would still pull for them.

Like it or not, Joe Gibbs should be given some type of amnesty for his accomplishments. What would it profit us to fire him and put someone else in to coach, just because they would be younger? Just might give us more years to be a losing team. I say give Gibbs as long as he needs for the simple fact that while people argue it was all Bobby Beathard in the 80's and that football has changed dramatically nowadays, football comes down to X's and O's. Gibbs knows how to coach. He knows how to motivate and he knows the X's and O's. You forget that alot is on his shoulders. He's trying to make all the right moves to rebuild this entire franchise. It's going to take time. Alot of us agreed when Gibbs first come here that it might take him all 5 years on his contract to get this team back to good standings. At least half of those people now are wanting him fired because they're too impatient. Hey, I wanna win just like the next guy, but I'm willing to allow someone who HAS been success in this league to build the team right than to put someone else in who will mess around for a year or two and dig this team deeper in a hole.[/quote]

Well spoken!

Hail
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it's ok to question certain decissions made by gibbs and co. but to say things like "gibbs should be fired" or "greg williams has lost it" is kinda silly too me. as to the bad decissions made by gibbs and co. i think there were only two mistakes 1- letting antonio peirce go. 2- letting ryan clark go.

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

[quote=skinsguy;247808]I think people are getting being critical and being impatient mixed up. I don't believe nobody here has ever said not to question anything Gibbs does, but I think most of us are saying to pack in and start all over again now is being waay out of line.[/quote]

Clarify your post please. Call me dumb, fine, but please clarify.

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[quote=PhxRedSkin;247826]Clarify your post please. Call me dumb, fine, but please clarify.[/quote]


he is saying that there is a difference between being critical and being impatient. he is also saying that being critical is fine (questioning some of gibbs moves) but being impatient is not fine (calling for gibbs to be fired)


i think thats what he is saying.

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[quote=skinsguy;247801]How so?[/quote]

See D.Green thread, which has just been locked.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;247841]See D.Green thread, which has just been locked.[/QUOTE]

I read it. I dunno, I mean I have never met him personally, but I don't believe one meeting for 5 minutes would be enough to consider a guy an a-hole. Maybe he had a bad day, maybe he had alot on his mind or wasn't feeling good. But, even so, I'd probably not trash the guy on a public forum board over something like that.

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[quote=PhxRedSkin;247725]I'm sorry to everybody that this is not addressed to. With that said, the rest of you quit grilling OUR Redskins for everything that is not going well in your own life. Especially Gibbs. If you want to start grilling, lets get Arch on the fire , and how about Carlos and Springs for weak upper body tackles. Oh, and yeah how about Brunell being confused as to what play to call because Sauders #437 page play call was not perfectly remembered.
This is my point and I'm done: we are 3-6, like it or leave it, we are much less than we expected, if this is the worst you've seen from the Redskins(historically) then go elsewhere. I'm here to stay FOREVER. Anybody right now who is second guessing Danny, Joe, Al, Gregg, Vinny or the all of the rest of us should pick and root for another team.
See there was this guy once playing for the AZ Wranglers in the USFL and a few years later he won a SB. There are a few SB records he broke in a stomping of the Broncos. He wore #17, NOW WE WEAR #17.

Hail 3 SB's

Braves are on the WarPath

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I dont get it, Im not allowed to be upset with the way things are going, and if I am, then Im not a real fan. And trust me I have doubted Vinny C since he got here, ask the fans in San Francisco if they want him back and you just might get punched. There have been people around the league who have mocked us for having Vinny running a very important part of this team, hes considered a joke around the rest of the NFL. I cant remember the last time I missed a Skins game, whether there playing terrible or there playing Great, I have and always will be a Redskins fan, but to say that "if your disappointed in the way things have gone, then your not a true fan" is rediculous
And as for Arch,Springs,Rogers and Taylor, whom you forgot to mention, yes they have had a very subpar year, but maybe it has something to do with Jerry Gray, are defensive backs were great until he took over as Dbacks coach, until this season we could plug in anyone back there and they would play great, thats not the case this season.

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Forgive me not, but all I meant was do not bag on our past greats. We have a tradition that needs us to walk tall and with our heads up no matter what. The good years are the best, the bad years make us tougher and bring us us closer together. It is my priviledge to be a Redskin fan.

Hail
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[quote=3rd ID SOLDIER;247749]phxredskins you must not realize that as fans we can do what we wanna do every action has a reaction just because someone questions or complains it does not make them less of a fan and that is what what thewarpath.net is for if everyone was like you then this website would be a boring ass site so deal with it or find somewhere else to go![/quote]your post was a much bigger bore. :oink:

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;247796]and call one of the greatest , if not the greatest, cornerbacks an asshole[/quote]the greatest :point: ,and i've met mr. green and he's not:nono: an asshole .:oink:

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

lets change our damn logo!

Re: Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?
 

being a good corner and being mean-spirited towards people are not mutually exclusive traits. i'm sorry so many people insist on black and white classifications of things (if he's a good corner, then he must be good at everything he's ever done and never ever done anything wrong). and it's not like one 5 minute meeting, it's literally hundreds of encounters over a long period of time. you're welcome to ignore the facts if you wish, but that's pretty much the definition of being delusional.

[quote=PhxRedSkin]What this thread was about is please do not trash or excrete on your family when we are not living up to the expected.[/quote]

and please stop with the "we are family" bit, we've already have that discussion twice and you're the only person who seems to believe that. If someone here stole or assaulted someone, I wouldn't try to cover that up or start talking about how cool it is to ignore things just because i find them personally unpleasant.


DG was a great football player, he does a lot for charity, and sometimes he's even nice to people. that doesn't mean that he didn't prevent others from promoting their charities (even when they had NOTHING to do with him) or that a majority of meetings left fans unhappy. It's not either/or.

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Hey That Guy,

I'm trying to put on blinders and put a happy face on everything. Please stop shooting "facts" in my face.