Our Problem: Rushing
 

Rushing. In thinking about the team, that's basically what I keep coming back to. On defense, we couldn't stop Carnell Williams and we couldn't run ourselves (save for a long run by Duckett) worth beans. Talk all you want about the QB, but if you can't control the ball with the run, even temporarily or in spurts, I don't think you have a good chance of winning.

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The defense can't stop the run anymore. That's for sure.

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We had no rushing O today. The little time we saw Duckett, he did very well. Why not keep him in??? Very weird... it's a mystery.

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Of course we can't stop the run. We have a former safety at MIDDLE linebacker, Holdman is garbage, salavea daniels and wynn couldn't make it as backups on any other team, and if that's not enough we have an overrated end that can't even get to qb or stop the run. Our defense needs a facelift.

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I don't agree at all about salvavea, daniles and wynn or HOldman. I think they all do well. I just think everyone has given up on this year. Except for Marcus Washington.

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The entire defense is a total disaster, both pass and rush D stink.

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Salavea'a hasn't been better than a backup...ever! He just eats up blocks and will get the occasional push. Him and Griffin are shells of their former selves. Daniels has never been very good and Carter has been disappointing thus far. I think Carter can play, but he can't be the only guy. The Skins look like a different team when Griffin is healthy, whenever the hell that is...Salave'a though, I've never really been impressed.

As for Marshall...he looks too slow to play outside and too bad to play inside.

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I think the basis for our lack of running is a vastly over-rated OL. I do think that these guys could have been great but if you look at the age and condition of our line as unbiasedly as possible it is clear we are hurting.

I hate to admint it but Parcells is right. Jansen isn't the player he was. Thomas has regressed a bit, Rabach is only ok, and Dockery is simply serviceable. Not a one of them can doinate. That is what hurts us.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;248346]I hate to admint it but Parcells is right. Jansen isn't the player he was. Thomas has regressed a bit, Rabach is only ok, and Dockery is simply serviceable. Not a one of them can doinate. That is what hurts us.[/QUOTE]

Jansen keeps getting smoked around the edges.

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You can see how much Portis does on his own--he makes the first player miss. Ladell cannot. Plus, that fumble killed us. I'd like to see much more of Duckett, like everyone else. Plus, as said a few weeks ago, we should let some younger guys on the o-line get some time, to see what we've got. And if Jansen is hurt (he certainly has not looked the same...), he should sit. But at least we have a pass game for the first time in a while--that will help the run.

I think Thomas is good, Samuels is also good (maybe not great, but I disagree that he sucks, etc). Dock is in`consistent--he takes plays off mentally. Rabach isn't that good--he's better than what we had. Jansen is the real disappointment this year.

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[quote=JWsleep;248349]You can see how much Portis does on his own--he makes the first player miss. Ladell cannot. Plus, that fumble killed us. I'd like to see much more of Duckett, like everyone else. Plus, as said a few weeks ago, we should let some younger guys on the o-line get some time, to see what we've got. And if Jansen is hurt (he certainly has not looked the same...), he should sit. But at least we have a pass game for the first time in a while--that will help the run.

I think Thomas is good, Samuels is also good (maybe not great, but I disagree that he sucks, etc). Dock is in`consistent--he takes plays off mentally. Rabach isn't that good--he's better than what we had. Jansen is the real disappointment this year.[/quote]
BINGO!!! Portis is probably 10-15 pounds lighter than Betts, yet runs much harder. Betts is a fine backup, and adds a lot to the offense as a receiver out of the backfield, but I wouldn't break the bank to keep him after this season. Frankly, I'd like to see more of Duckett the rest of the season. At least he seems to fall forward after knocking the initial tackler backward. The Skins need to find an identity for their rushing attack. If they want to play smashmouth, Duckett should be the man. If they want diversity and a little more finesse, then Betts is your man. Bottom line, neither are anywhere near the caliber of Portis.

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Our run D is pathetic. Just pathetic.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;248402]Our run D is pathetic. Just pathetic.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about? The Redskins D held them to barely 180 yards. Lol.

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Well, our rushing on offense is terrible. I hope this proves how much Portis meant to this team (a healthy one). I know he played bad this year, and was hurt all year long, but I think this should settle anything of him NOT being our RB in the future.

Our rush D, well I just dont know what to say. I think Griff has been alright, Salave'a, as much as I love him, hasent been good. I'm excited what the rookies we have bring to the table, however.

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Let's not even worry about our rushing. Portis is out, Betts has never been on to juke, and TJ Duckett played his first "full" game. Let's not even turn away the real problem of this team: THE DEFENSE!

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I would like to see Duckett get the load and Betts as the 3rd down back.

BTW, does anyone know how good Duckett is in pass protection? Maybe that's why he's not getting more carries.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;248356]BINGO!!! Portis is probably 10-15 pounds lighter than Betts, yet runs much harder. Betts is a fine backup, and adds a lot to the offense as a receiver out of the backfield, but I wouldn't break the bank to keep him after this season. Frankly, I'd like to see more of Duckett the rest of the season. At least he seems to fall forward after knocking the initial tackler backward. The Skins need to find an identity for their rushing attack. If they want to play smashmouth, Duckett should be the man. If they want diversity and a little more finesse, then Betts is your man. Bottom line, neither are anywhere near the caliber of Portis.[/QUOTE]

This is what I've been saying since early last year! Betts can't use whatever supposed power he has. Clinton runs harder and faster. For all his size, Betts doesn't even block as well as Portis. Betts isn't a good back. If anyone pays him to be a starter in the NFL, they're outta their mind. He can't be a #1. He consistently gets hurt and pretty much the only thing he can do is run to daylight. He's a slashing style back who occasionally shows a little power, but not much...ever.

I hope everyone who thinks that "Clinton doesn't fit the system" and somehow that Betts does gets to see over the course of the season just how little he can actually contribute as a #1 back.

And, oh yeah, nice fumble, too...

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Our D has been mailing it in for weeks now. Biggest culprits are on the D-line. The supposed "4 man front" is really a one-man front. If we had a one man D-line with just Griffin, we wouldn't notice much of a drop off in our defensive play (or lack thereof). SalaveA, Carter, and especially Daniels and Wynn have been a joke. Look forward to the defensive purge (along with Greg Blache) this offseason. Hell, I wish Wynn would be cut on the planeride back from Tampa.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;248432]This is what I've been saying since early last year! Betts can't use whatever supposed power he has. Clinton runs harder and faster. For all his size, Betts doesn't even block as well as Portis. Betts isn't a good back. If anyone pays him to be a starter in the NFL, they're outta their mind. He can't be a #1. He consistently gets hurt and pretty much the only thing he can do is run to daylight. He's a slashing style back who occasionally shows a little power, but not much...ever.

I hope everyone who thinks that "Clinton doesn't fit the system" and somehow that Betts does gets to see over the course of the season just how little he can actually contribute as a #1 back.

And, oh yeah, nice fumble, too...[/QUOTE]

Right on. I'm sick of hearing this or that "fits the system". Portis is the only one who has run well for us the last 3 years, he is our man, no questions about it. He is WITHOUT QUESTION our back, so can we just drop anything that has to do with us not having him as our number one guy next year.

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Gibbs seems to be kinda ticked in his postgame presser, I'm almost getting the vibe he's calling out Saunders and GW. He keeps saying they got away from the principles of running the ball and stopping the run today... and they got away from Redskins football.

Can someone explain to me why Duckett and Betts combined for just 44 yards on 12 carries?? That's a piss poor effort at trying to establish the run.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;248537]Can someone explain to me why Duckett and Betts combined for just 44 yards on 12 carries?? That's a piss poor effort at trying to establish the run.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but Betts wasn't getting anything on the ground and with a lot of 3 and outs and the defense unable to stop anything, you just don't get a lot of snaps to be able to run the ball. Gibbs mentioned our lack of snaps on offense as a real source of frustration in his presser.

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Why does Betts only seem to play well if Portis is playing also? For a guy who wants to be "the man" that's no way to get there.

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My gripe is with the playcalling and the scheme. This outside the tackles running game just isn't working. Hasn't all year. It just doesn't suit our strengths.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;248541]Why does Betts only seem to play well if Portis is playing also? For a guy who wants to be "the man" that's no way to get there.[/QUOTE]

He seems like an excellent third-down back, but not an every-down back.

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The line I'm tired of is the "locker room leader" thing. We keep hearing that about guys like Wynn and Philip Daniels, Jansen and many, many others.

Their "leadership" has gotten us nowhere. At some point these 'leaders' have to start making plays. Not only that, what happens when you've got a room full of 'leaders' ? That means most everyone goes in different directions.

There's supposed to be one leader, and 53 followers. That's Gibbs and his team.

This organization is f'ed up from top to bottom.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;248545]My gripe is with the playcalling and the scheme. This outside the tackles running game just isn't working. Hasn't all year. It just doesn't suit our strengths.[/QUOTE]



I agree....and I said the same thing in an earlier post about the O-line. Plus I'd like to see us be a little more committed to the run. Far too few rushing atempts today. I've always felt our line is better suited for the inside runs, it's what carried us the last part of last season.

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running outside the tackles can work, but it has to be complimented with something.

betts is an awesome reciever out of the backfield, but he couldn't hit a hole if there was hair around it and it was dripping full of KY.

Cartwright has the best burst of the backups, and Duckett is looking decent when he gets touches...

Hell Sellers could get the call more often if it were up to me... betts hits a line and falls down too quickly....

I don't know if its entirely his fault, but portis is a better runner hands down.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;248674]betts is an awesome reciever out of the backfield, but he couldn't hit a hole if there was hair around it and it was dripping full of KY.[/QUOTE]

Snot just flew out of my nose. Thanks.

First the "D.O.R.K. stats," then "money and boobs" and now this? You're on a roll tonight my friend.

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of course rushing is a problem when our backs get to carry 15 times the whole game combined. u gotta run the ball even if u arent getting yards, definitely more than 15 total times. feed it to them consistently and more yards will come, and that comes down to the playcalling

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There was one particular play that I thought was interesting when we got to the endzone yesterday .

We had run from the 5 got stuffed, run picked up a couple and looked like it was another run when Gibbs was running down the sideline trying to call a time out .

When the offence came back they lined up looking to run then called the play action getting the score . i am wondering how much of an input Gibbs actually has on these goal line plays?

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I'm not sure it matters where on the line you run the ball. Our O-line is not blocking worth SH... They get blown off the ball by the opposing D. Maybe it's just a matter of "they just don't know this should not be happening". Yea, that's it, they just don't know they suck and they have a choice to..........not suck. Maybe we could explain that they have to be EVERYBODY'S BITCH. Yo' O-line, time to put your hand between your legs and see what's there????? Tough to watch

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saunders is calling all the outside stuff cause he seems to still think he has two HoF O linemen on his left side that'll take out 5 defensive players every single snap. randy thomas is the only guy that pulls well, but it's hard for him when jansen can't block anyone.

and yeah, it's obvious portis creates yards where betts simply can't. it's vision and footwork. portis and moss are the best players on our team, and it sucks that they're out.

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Bett's is not a starting back, I've said it all along, he always fumbles when he gets 20+ carries, which he didnt even get sunday. I'd rather see cartwright then betts since he's got more speed which compliments duckett, however carwright fumbles as well. People don't realize how good portis is until we lose him. Without a solid RB, we can't be a running team, which I'm ok with since the season is lost, which will give campbell more looks, good experience for the kid.

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I think we need to start Duckett and feed him the ball about 20 times per game. What do we have to lose? He's looked very effective in the limited carries he's had.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;248274]Talk all you want about the QB, but if you can't control the ball with the run, even temporarily or in spurts, I don't think you have a good chance of winning.[/QUOTE]

The Dolphins did pretty well without a running game (minus 3 yards!!). Still, that is the exception and we aren't going to win squat with that pitiful running effort against the Bucs. As has been mentioned, it is only now that we can really appreciate what a great back Portis is. Behind a distinctly average o-line, average backs like Betts perform poorly and great backs like Portis perform well.

With a bit of luck, Betts will have a few 100 yard games and build himself some trade value - perhaps we can get a first day pick for him?

I'd like to see more of Duckett - we could go back to old skool smash mouth football with him and take some pressure off Campbell.

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[quote=marius;248823]
With a bit of luck, Betts will have a few 100 yard games and build himself some trade value - perhaps we can get a first day pick for him?
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no one's going to give you a first day pick for a guy with 3 days left on his contract... except for maybe the redskins.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;248888]no one's going to give you a first day pick for a guy with 3 days left on his contract.[/QUOTE]

Ah, I stand corrected!

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we aint gonna get poop for betts