Gregg Williams has to go
 

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Jason LaCanfora points out some of the serious mistakes that Gregg Williams has made in terms of personnel, and it seems that the defense is no longer playing hard under his leadership.

I think that Joe Gibbs is going to ask Williams to leave after the season. There isn't any way we can go forward with him at the helm. The players don't seem to respond to him, he has made some very poor personnel decisions, his fairness is in question, and the field tactics he uses may no longer be adequate.

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I think it would be a big mistake to let Coach Williams go. He may leave anyways, he could have other opprotunities, but I don't think he should be forced.

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Wow. Talk about jumping the gun here. Think of the past two seasons under GW. The defense has been lights out. We were all so happy when we inked him for an extension in the offseason. If anyone made mistakes it was Snyder going out and attempting to upgrade the defense when it either wasn't needed and basically didn't work. The problem this season seems to be basically just a lack of skill on defense. I don't think this is GW's fault. Letting him go could be the worst move the team could make at this point.

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LOL...I just can't get over this. I think your just trying to start rumors or something. Such BS.

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[quote=70Chip;249213]I think it would be a big mistake to let Coach Williams go. He may leave anyways, he could have other opprotunities, but I don't think he should be forced.[/quote]


You may be right, but what about the substance of Jason LaCanfora's article and the points he makes?

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i dont know how much say he has when it comes to the players brought in or let go. i still feel he's a great defensive coach. i also feel gibbs is very loyal to him and would not ask him to leave, especially considering it was williams defense that gave the skins any chance at winning in 04 and it was williams defense that,for the most part, carried the team in 05. the defense is bad this year but they should be much better next season.

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i really truly believe that we are having an off year on defense, much like the ravens last year

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big mistake if you let him go

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[quote=wolfeskins;249219]i dont know how much say he has when it comes to the players brought in or let go. i still feel he's a great defensive coach. i also feel gibbs is very loyal to him and would not ask him to leave, especially considering it was williams defense that gave the skins any chance at winning in 04 and it was williams defense that,for the most part, carried the team in 05. the defense is bad this year but they should be much better next season.[/quote]


The defense performed well the past couple of years, that is true. Will these players respond to Williams now and in the future? I doubt it personally. I think that the problems we have on offense are correctable, but I think that on the defensive side we need new management, as in Greg Blache, if we are going to make progress. I might be mistaken. But I know I would feel better if we had a fresh start with Blache.

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This is the problem with society now, everyone wants a quick fix. To claim that G. Williams has completely lost his ability to put a top defense on the field is ridiculous. I am tired of people who say blow the team up and fire everybody. It is plain stupid. O.k. so we fire everybody and cut all of the overpriced free agents then what are we left with? An expansion team. Yeah, that is a great idea...

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[quote=Oakland Red;249229]The defense performed well the past couple of years, that is true. Will these players respond to Williams now and in the future? I doubt it personally. I think that the problems we have on offense are correctable, but I think that on the defensive side we need new management, as in Greg Blache, if we are going to make progress. I might be mistaken. But I know I would feel better if we had a fresh start with Blache.[/quote]

well you are definately entitled to your own opinion but i have to respectfuly disagree. i don't see how 1 bad defensive season constitutes the fireing of one of the best d-cor. in the nfl.

i also feel that the players should be more upset with themselves than with greg williams. i don't think his schemes have changed as much as the performance of the players.

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I dont think the issue with our defense is the coaching. I think that Greg Williams, over the last three years, has brought more out of the defense then other coachs would. Our defense outperformed their expectations. We have NO defenseive line outside of c griff. We have no corner backs (springs is great but hasnt played this year). and mashall is adequte but not a star.

really we have washington, and taylor, and c griff. He tried to address our needs and carter and AA havent performed. if they did, hed look like a gneious, but they didnt.

We need get a dline, hell we need two dlines and rotate them like in philly. Lots of draft picks on defense.

Williams has proven that he can do it.

Though I do think Rocky should be playing

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Williams is one of the top 5 defensive coaches in the league, while I am sure he has made some mistakes, it would be incredibly reactionary and stupid to get rid of him after one bad season.

The media loves to stir things up, and they don't mind stretching the truth and injecting their own opinions to do it.

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[QUOTE=Oakland Red;249218]You may be right, but what about the substance of Jason LaCanfora's article and the points he makes?[/QUOTE]

It's a blog, not an article. Granted, internet news articles have declined greatly in quality, but blogs have virtually no credibility. Any dumbass can say anything and everything he wants with no strings attached.

Ironic, then, that I have a link to my blog in my sig, is it not?

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I don't believe you fire Gregg Williams after this season. He's been nothing but successful since he came here in '04......this has just been an off year for everbody. I do believe we need better personel on the 'D' though.....

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;249238]This is the problem with society now, everyone wants a quick fix. To claim that G. Williams has completely lost his ability to put a top defense on the field is ridiculous. I am tired of people who say blow the team up and fire everybody. It is plain stupid. O.k. so we fire everybody and cut all of the overpriced free agents then what are we left with? An expansion team. Yeah, that is a great idea...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the irony is people want to make all these widespread wholesale changes yet at the same time complain that the organization has no stability and patience

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GW isn't missing assignments, tackles or blowing coverage as far as I've seen. Anyone who thinks GW should go just isn't paying attention and trying to place blame somewhere. As far as playing Rocky, we don't see practice and neither does the media. If he were a Derrick Brooks type guy, don't you think he'd be playing now? Do you really think the coaches would sit the player because they DON't want to win? "Yeah...we have the 2nd coming of LT but we're gonna keep him down". Come on. Things are much clearer with your head out of your ass.

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Wow, what happened to all the people who wanted Gregg Williams as a successor to Joe Gibbs? Gregg Williams, along with many of defensive starters are having a bad year. I'm certain they will rebound. I think Gregg Williams is a very competitive person, he will make necessary changes to his defensive scheme so he can dominate once again.

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You all may be right as far as it being premature to think about letting GW go, but I think that the issues raised by Jason LaCanfora are indicative of real problems at the coaching level on defense. Hopefully, it's not as bad as his reporting suggests, and things will rectify themselves.

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Keep GW, fire those sorry ass players! Last time I checked, GW does not tackle or cover!

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The defense and GW have been dissapointments this year.

If ever the word "fluke" we're to be used, I think this year is the best context. One bad season, out of many, many elite ones.

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While were at it why dont we get rid of the whole coaching staff, the team, and dan snider becuase hell no one really know who to blame so i guess it lies on all their shoulders

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[quote=TAFKAS;249260]Yeah, the irony is people want to make all these widespread wholesale changes yet at the same time complain that the organization has no stability and patience[/quote]


Exactly, check out that sports illustrated article saying gibbs should step down and Adam Archuleta is prime example of the need for stability

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One bad season shouldn't mean we get rid of him. The guy has had sucessful defense every where he has been. I think we have vastly over rated our talent and may be a little over confident in the ability of the scheme to make average players great. With a little talent infusion I think our D is big time changed. I certainly am willing to give him another season to right the ship.

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He stays as D coordinator but the next head coach??? NOOOOOOOOOOO

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Williams shouldn't be fired. You need players that can tackle. Marshall is not Pierce and Holdman is not Arrington Archuletta is not Clark, Rogers plays too soft and is nowhere near the shut down corner. You need to make Carter a linebacker get a good defensive end. Let's see what McIntosh and Posey can do.

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[quote=Oakland Red;249207][URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL]

Jason LaCanfora points out some of the serious mistakes that Gregg Williams has made in terms of personnel, and it seems that the defense is no longer playing hard under his leadership.

I think that Joe Gibbs is going to ask Williams to leave after the season. There isn't any way we can go forward with him at the helm. The players don't seem to respond to him, he has made some very poor personnel decisions, his fairness is in question, and the field tactics he uses may no longer be adequate.[/quote]

This is such a stupid post. GW is not the problem and anyone with 1/2 a football IQ knows this. The players are not getting the job done.

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Williams will be the fall guy for all the stupid player acquisitions, mishandled training camp, and bungled season. He is partly to blame but the true blame lies with the man at the helm, Joe Gibbs.

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I dont think Gibbs will make anyone his scape goat. I think the bad player aquisitions are GW's fault. Carter and Archuletta were his hand picked guys. Those were the mistakes, made in free agency..

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Fine - yank his quasi-GM privileges, but GW has shown time and again that he can put a D on the field. Is it the D's fault they were on the field for 30 out 45 minutes to start the game on Sunday? There is far too much blame to go around to starting picking out GW.

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When you watch our D on the field waiting for the opposing Offense to come to the line. There is NO sense of urgency. The only one with any apparent energy is ST. They look like they are just hanging out. I really don't think they are all that concerned about there performance (most of them).

Anyone remember Dexter Manley??? He could get the D pumped. That is the kind of intensity I would like to see

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[QUOTE=chris36;249356]I dont think Gibbs will make anyone his scape goat. I think the bad player aquisitions are GW's fault. Carter and Archuletta were his hand picked guys. Those were the mistakes, made in free agency..[/QUOTE]

Gibbs as Pres has to have final say over any coaches recommensdations. Gibbs and the rest of the front office is as much to blame as GW.

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Williams should not be making the personnel decisions, he should just be coaching, so it is Gibb's and Snyder's faults for letting him pick his players. I'd say just let him coach, and give him REAL talent, we know what he can do when he has talent. Now he has absolutely none.

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GW has been around this league long enough where he should be involved in evaluating and selecting his own players, I really don't see where that's a problem at all.

Seems like some people want to let him off the hook a little bit.

Don't get me wrong I'm not throwing him under the bus, but he's definitely not an innocent bystander this season.

Would I fire him? Definitely not.

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As long as he doesn't get fired I don't care who throws him under the bus, but he and saunders are great football minds, and with good D and O-lines there would be no problems at all this season...............BUT

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I can think of only one instance in history of the NFL where the guy coaching the player was also picking the players successfully (i.e. sustained playoff appearances and SB titles) and that is Shannahan in Denver. Mind you he hasn't won a title since Elway left, but Denver is consistently good year to year with Shannahan at the helm.

I can't think of another instance were the GM/Coach position hasn't failed, and I consider it to be the single biggest problem facing our skins. Gibbs has repeatedly shown that his talents lie in coaching and only coaching. No self respecting GM would ever allow the kind of FA spending and talent emigration that we have seen in Washington.

The solution is simple, but Danny will never do it because it means reducing his own roll as owner, but you need to get a sharp and strong-willed General manager to make ALL of the personnel decisions. Vinny gets demoted to 2nd Associate District Assistant Ball Washer, and Gibbs and crew stay as COACHES only. It all makes sense to me...wonder how much Scott Pioli wants after his contract expires this year?

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[QUOTE=Mc2guy;249412]I can think of only one instance in history of the NFL where the guy coaching the player was also picking the players successfully (i.e. sustained playoff appearances and SB titles) and that is Shannahan in Denver. Mind you he hasn't won a title since Elway left, but Denver is consistently good year to year with Shannahan at the helm.

I can't think of another instance were the GM/Coach position hasn't failed, and I consider it to be the single biggest problem facing our skins. Gibbs has repeatedly shown that his talents lie in coaching and only coaching. No self respecting GM would ever allow the kind of FA spending and talent emigration that we have seen in Washington.

The solution is simple, but Danny will never do it because it means reducing his own roll as owner, but you need to get a sharp and strong-willed General manager to make ALL of the personnel decisions. Vinny gets demoted to 2nd Associate District Assistant Ball Washer, and Gibbs and crew stay as COACHES only. It all makes sense to me...wonder how much Scott Pioli wants after his contract expires this year?[/QUOTE]

Excellent point about the GM/coach combo, it does not work. Both are 80 hour per week jobs and 1 man cant handle that load.

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[quote=irish;249418]Excellent point about the GM/coach combo, it does not work. Both are 80 hour per week jobs and 1 man cant handle that load.[/quote]

Another good point to follow up that point. With all these different coaches choosing who they want, there is a complete mixup in team chemistry and identity. Saunders needs more mobile linemen to run that offense, while gibbs needs big bruisers to run his style offense. williams wants proven veterans that respect him, while all the defensive talent lies in the draft. And some of those players will have egos. One GM for both sides of the ball will help solve that problem and reestablish team identity.

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[quote=chris36;249356]I dont think Gibbs will make anyone his scape goat. I think the bad player aquisitions are GW's fault. Carter and Archuletta were his hand picked guys. Those were the mistakes, made in free agency..[/quote]

yeah, if he really recruited AA & AC he needs to be held accountable for that, but he's still a great strategist.

Don't forget that GW signed a contract which pays him big $ if he's NOT hired as head coach after Gibbs' leaves. Let's look on the bright side. If and when that day comes, GW will have hopefully learned his lesson on evaluating talent & leave the job to someone else. I mean evaluating college talent is really hard, but guys already in the nfl? There is plenty of tape & networking info available. There's no excuse for not knowing another nfl player's abilities.

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I love when guys write a blog and quote people but fail to say who made the statement. Its like they make things up to back up their opinions and do they really let theses guys on the field as they warm up for pratice. Do we really think that this talented coaching staff cannot see their mistakes and are too dumb to know how and fix them. I still go back to the short and easy training camp which started our problems and I believe Gibbs has said that won't happen again. We have a team that has lost their confidence and they are all second guessing what they are doing on the field which is a big problem.