Andre Carter: has he shed his bust status?
 

He's looked pretty good lately and Gandy sure had his hands full with him today. What do you think, could Carter actually end up panning out for us?

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I do think he could end up panning out. We will know for sure by this time next year. Until then, I recommend we keep him at RDE and approach the situation with cautious enthusiasm.

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11 tackles today and a sack. 11 tackles from dlineman is pretty amazing. he is really coming into his own now

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[quote=Big C;255173]11 tackles today and a sack. 11 tackles from dlineman is pretty amazing. he is really coming into his own now[/quote]Those are linebacker stats...which is just great coming from Carter the ex linebacker.

I really think we need an anchoring beast on the other side, just a good all around player to make him all he can be, since he's an undersized guy at DE.

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He could have easily had 2 or 3 sacks if it weren't for Gandy holding him.

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He's been getting better. He has been getting better for the past 3-4 weeks or so. He hasent had a great season, but he's playing better and I think it still remains to be seen how good he can be.

The only person I want to label a bust on this team right now is AA.

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He played well today. We are stuck with him for a while so hopefully he will keep it up.

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i think so, before we werent letting him go on a full out rush. now that they see he can get there i bet we will hear his name more often.

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[quote=Gmanc711;255182]The only person I want to label a bust on this team right now is AA.[/quote]Does anyone else notice how GW allowed Carter to work through his struggles, while he pulls AA for sucking? I don't get it. You sign him to the richest contract for a S in history, he struggles in the first 8 games and he never sees the field again.

Talk about poor scouting. Apparently, they didn't even want the guy.

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tom friend said that GW begged to get AA, promised he would blitz all the time, and rarely blitzed him once he got here. that just doesnt make sense

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I think Golston has played a role in Carter's success recently.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;255212]Does anyone else notice how GW allowed Carter to work through his struggles, while he pulls AA for sucking? I don't get it. You sign him to the richest contract for a S in history, he struggles in the first 8 games and he never sees the field again.

Talk about poor scouting. Apparently, they didn't even want the guy.[/QUOTE]

I think you could see signs of progress with AC, if anything AA was actually regressing I thought

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AA was a disaster from the start and reportedly wasn't even supposed to be starting week 1.

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Yeah. Carter showed something from time to time, and looked beast in camp (But christ, I didn't realize HOW BAD Jansen was. I might have looked solid in camp...)

The lack of blitzing was a byproduct of our secondary being destroyed.

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[quote=GTripp0012;255212]Does anyone else notice how GW allowed Carter to work through his struggles, while he pulls AA for sucking? I don't get it. You sign him to the richest contract for a S in history, he struggles in the first 8 games and he never sees the field again.

Talk about poor scouting. Apparently, they didn't even want the guy.[/quote]

I feel like there is a huge difference between letting Carter stay in and taking Archuletta out. Carter had a slow start, but he was still making plays here and there, until recently when he started playing like he was a freakin horse. Carter may have struggled to get to the QB initially, but you really couldn't blaim him specifically for giving up a huge play on defense. However, you could blame Archuletta because everytime he was in they'd throw in his direction because they knew he couldn't cover. Let's not forget who let Fasano, or whoever the other tight-end on Dallas is, catch that all to put them into field goal range. Can we specifically blame carter for not getting more pressure on Romo, maybe, but can we blame Archuletta for being a freakin bum and not staying with a rookie tight end, against our most bitter rival, on the most important drive of the game? Yes!
I think we should just blame GW. Every team we've face has chosen to run mostly to the weak side of our defense with Carter and Holdman. Carter is a pass rusher, and we let probably the worst line backer in the league stand behind him and try to make plays while McIntosh sits on the bench.

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I must say I feel optimistic that Carter is turning into a strong player for us and possibly justifying the signing.

To me, this could be a real blessing because it means we have one less hole in our front seven. I think the key to fixing the rest of our front seven would involve the following:

1. Figure out a way to get some solid play from the ROLB spot. This is almost as confusing as when Holdman was starting over Arrington. Our season is over so why not let some of our younger players (read: McIntosh) get some playing time here.

2. Find someone who can platoon with Marshall in the middle. Maybe the person is already in our system, maybe not. We really need someone who is a run-stopper back there though because I feel like Washington is being forced to do more than cover his own assignment due to the lack of explosion from Marshall. Maybe McCune can contribute here.

3. We still need a solid, young DE. Daniels and Wynn are really in the eves' of their careers. I believe Evans is a solid back-up, but we really need to find a way to bring in a guy who can play the run and be a pass-rusher. I'm not saying I want a Julius Peppers here, but a solid young DE would be nice. Maybe this is a potential area we need to think about using the draft to address.

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while i was listening on the radio, larry michaels said andre carter was playing different then in past weeks. i think that is b/c of the tom friend article where a player said that andre carter wasn't being used properly.

maybe GW is letting him play his game?

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The D lately seems more vanilla, less exotic blitzing and more straight ahead rushing the QB. That's what we turned to last season when we got hot and it seems to have made a difference for Carter too. Just let them get after the QB.

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I agree that Carter has looked a LOT better, but I'm still a bit worried about his run defense. They run to his side a lot, and he has trouble holding the point of attack. But he's looked good in pass rush, which is clearly why we got him.

(Yeah, I know, 11 tackles means he's doing his job in the run game. Maybe that's right. But 250 yards given up IS A PROBLEM!)

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[quote=JWsleep;255477]I agree that Carter has looked a LOT better, but I'm still a bit worried about his run defense. They run to his side a lot, and he has trouble holding the point of attack. But he's looked good in pass rush, which is clearly why we got him.

(Yeah, I know, 11 tackles means he's doing his job in the run game. Maybe that's right. But 250 yards given up IS A PROBLEM!)[/quote]Like pretty much any speed rusher, he's going to struggle when you run right at him. So you get DTs who are good against the run to force the opposition to bounce it outside where the LBs clean up.

GW tried to get a every down pass-rushing specialist, not realizing I think that his scheme already created a pass rush, but now our run D has a hole in it (our run D on the whole this year has actually been above average, but 3 different teams have had huge games vs us).

Carter is bad for THIS scheme, but that doesn't mean we can't gut the D and create a scheme where he can be successful.

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I guess the question depends on what we all expected with the signing of Andre Carter. He averaged only 4.5 sacks per year in San Fransisco. I remember reading that if anything, his presence alone would open things up for Philip Daniels.

After 12 games, they each have 3 sacks. Right now, it looks as if we can count on these two guys to give us a big play every 4 games or so. Judging by the current state of the defense, I don’t think anyone could rationally argue that their production has been nearly enough.

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I've already given Archuleta the label of bust. I wasn't ready to give Carter this label yet because I still believed that he had something left in him. Now he looks like he's finally getting back to being a good pass rusher.

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I've been saying it for weeks that carter is getting better with each start. He's one of the only speed guys we have on defense. We were too slow to catch vick, without carter it would have been worse

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[quote=Gmanc711;255182]He's been getting better. He has been getting better for the past 3-4 weeks or so. He hasent had a great season, but he's playing better and I think it still remains to be seen how good he can be.

The only person I want to label a bust on this team right now is AA.[/quote]

You have to label Brandon Llyod a bust as well. For the amount of money we gave Llyod he has given the Redskins this: 20 catches for 295 yards, 0 TD's - how can you not lable Llyod a bust as well?

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[quote=Bill B;255645]You have to label Brandon Llyod a bust as well. For the amount of money we gave Llyod he has given the Redskins this: 20 catches for 295 yards, 0 TD's - how can you not lable Llyod a bust as well?[/quote]
A lot of that has been bad QB and o-line play

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I only saw half the game so I cant say this for sure, but it seems that Carter has stopped doing that gay spin move that never worked, I think that has a large contribution to his improvement. I think he is not a bust, but he hasnt proven to be a star in my eyes either, Gandy is a shit tackle, once Carter does this consistantly against good o lines, Ill acknowledge his greatness.

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As an early-season critic of Carter, I have to give him his due. He was extremely active against both the run and the pass yesterday. I'd still like to see how inserting Rocky McIntosh would impact our run defense on that side of the field.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;255642]I've been saying it for weeks that carter is getting better with each start. He's one of the only speed guys we have on defense. We were too slow to catch vick, without carter it would have been worse[/QUOTE]


Worse than 256 yards rushing? Yeah, thank heavens for Andre Carter.

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i think AC may be getting more comfortable here personally. It's a big transition to move to the east coast after living in CA most of your life. My guess is that now that the pressure is off he's focusing on football more, which is good since he gets paid big $ to do so!

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carters play has steadily improved, from week to week. i think the skins would love to move marshall back outside. does anyone know if mcintosh can play inside? he is only about 240lbs, and thatguy, are there any mlb's available, via free agency, or the draft, for next season?

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[quote=dmek25;256073]carters play has steadily improved, from week to week. i think the skins would love to move marshall back outside. does anyone know if mcintosh can play inside? he is only about 240lbs, and thatguy, are there any mlb's available, via free agency, or the draft, for next season?[/quote]

McIntosh is not very stout for a MLB but he's certainly versatile. Here is some pre draft info on him.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/mcintosh_roger]NFL.com - Prospect Profiles[/url]

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thanks citizen, for the info

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[quote=Citizens for 81;256080]McIntosh is not very stout for a MLB but he's certainly versatile. Here is some pre draft info on him.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/mcintosh_roger"]NFL.com - Prospect Profiles[/URL][/quote]


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Re: Andre Carter: has he shed his bust status?
 

His play is beginning to improve, and it typical of why we shouldn't always be so ready to critisize when players don't always perform (initially) the way we think they should. I have always felt players should at least have the opportunity to grow acustomed, espically when a player (like Carter) changed both teams, and positions, all in one season.

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I am not sold on Andre Carter. I do not think it is coincidence that we now have a 260-265 pound DE and we now suck against the run. How many running yards did we give up?

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[quote=Defensewins;256331]I am not sold on Andre Carter. I do not think it is coincidence that we now have a 260-265 pound DE and we now suck against the run. How many running yards did we give up?[/quote] He will need some help on the DL to be highly effective . I agree with you , but believe if we found a 320 + DT to rotate and another DE to work in the line up , we could have a very good line . I think we gave up 246 yds ,,,

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I've still got faith in Carter. I've seen enough out of him to think that he'll be fine, no Dwight Freeney but fine.

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Yeppp

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[QUOTE=budw38;256396]He will need some help on the DL to be highly effective . I agree with you , but believe if we found a 320 + DT to rotate and another DE to work in the line up , we could have a very good line . I think we gave up 246 yds ,,,[/QUOTE]

I agree putting a stout DT and LB next to and behind A. Carter will help but it will not solve the problem. There are certain instances when the defense is playing gap responsiblity and that exposes Carter to Offenses running right at him. PLus the DE's have the biggest gap of all to cover which is between the Offensive Tackle and the sideline. Part of the problem is Carter is so fast when he runs upfield quickly anticipating pass he leaves his gap responsibilty unprotected. That is the only problem with having a quick/light DE. Dexter Manley had the same problem early in his career until they coached it of him. However it did not take long for Dexter to over come this problem plus dexter was bigger and stronger than A. Carter.
A. Carter is smart and dedicated guy, hopefully he will learn.

I still say A. Carter currently is best suited to be a situational DE on obvious pass plays. He does not do well against the run. If that remains the same in the next couple of years, then we over paid for him.

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carter was a beast today... he just abused whoever he lined up against... i think he's finding his motor again.