If I were G.M.
 

I must say guys I think this offseason other that bringing Gibbs in and our great coaching staff, was a major disappointment in terms of our personal moves. Again we craped away our draft picks and over payed big time for players. Thats gonna break the team up in two years.

First move, get rid of Champs ass. They were right to trade champ away, but denver def. got the better deal out of it. And we really gave Portis to much money. Here's what I would have done. One of the trade offers I believe we we got from the Jets was Shaun Ellis and the 12th pick. I would have taken that deal for sure. That would give us a great up and coming d-linemen that is coming off of a 12.5 sack year and is great against the run.

Second move, not trading for brunnel. We again could have gotten this guy for much cheaper by just waiting for the jaguars to release him and outbidding people. Plus look at the other list of vetern quaterbacks we could have had for half the price: Jeff Garcia, Tim Couch, Kurt Warner. Ramsey is clearly our future we didn't need to do this.

Free agency: I love the signing of Marcus Washington. I would have signed Robaire Smith over Corn. Griffen, who we again gave way to much money for. Just look at the numbers Smith: sacks 4.5, tackles 35 Griffen: 1 sack
I also would have signed Ahmed Plummer over shuan Springs. He is younger and would have cost a lot less. This way we would actually have the money to resign Smoot.

Draft.
1. Sean Tayler Love this pick, guy is gonna change the game
12. Stephan Jackson Gives a young star running back, who can pound it inside
51. Antwan Odom Gives us a young pass rusher with great potential
3 rd. pick Randy Starks Gives us a great steal at DT. The thing scouts forgot about this guy is that he was the youngest player in the draft, and is really gonna improve.
5. Chris Cooley.

As you can see my moves actually solve our biggest problem from last year, the d-line. Our strong draft gives us some young talent which were gonna be able to keep together. Plus is much more fincially beneficial to build through the draft.

Every move is not going to please everyone. I trust JG & Co's moves this offseason. Some I don't necessarily agree with (going after Brunell so early and then giving him a huge contract) but others I love - the Portis deal. A strong playoff run will make things all better, I promise.

how do you know than we didnt try and get plummer and smith? We cant get everyone we want, sometimes they want to go to other teams, which in this case they did.

I'd rather have Springs, he played in a Pro Bowl and just seems kind of snake bitten by injuries. He's a local product and maybe the homecooking will do him some good. Plus he's bigger than Plummer and I'd rather not have two smallish cornerbacks, especially with Keyshawn and TO in the division.

the jets strongly denied offering ellis. I think they were offering lamant jordan and a couple other crappy guys plus their 1st rounder if memory serves me right. the only 3 big downsides I've seen this summer have been: 1.) overpaying for brunnel when he was gonna become a freeagent and we wouldn't have had to give up our 3rd rounder in a relatively deep draft. but I do like bring him in, cuz we need the depth and if ramsey can't handle competion for the job and starts to complain again, I like the guy, but I don't want our QB being someone like that. 2.) I honestly think we had more leverage in the bailey-portis deal and snyder blew it by adding in the 2nd round pick when it should have been a straight up trade if not us getting a pick in return with portis. 3.) I hope daniels can perform like he did a couple of years ago and I like the addition of griffin, but I would have liked to have seen us go after Winstrom as our 1st player to aquire and then cut wynn after june 1st.

of course the return of Gibbs, the addition of Williams, and the aquisitions of fore mentioned players as well as washington, barrows, springs, raymer, thrash and the drafting of taylor and cooley far out weigh the negatives.

[QUOTE=Big C]how do you know than we didnt try and get plummer and smith? We cant get everyone we want, sometimes they want to go to other teams, which in this case they did.[/QUOTE]
I know because they ended up with deals of less of equal value.

[QUOTE=memphisskin]I'd rather have Springs, he played in a Pro Bowl and just seems kind of snake bitten by injuries. He's a local product and maybe the homecooking will do him some good. Plus he's bigger than Plummer and I'd rather not have two smallish cornerbacks, especially with Keyshawn and TO in the division.[/QUOTE]
That is a very good point.

some players actually want to play in certain places, and money isnt always everything, you dont know that for sure, just as i dont. You cant jump to conclusions like that unless u know

009, I think you understimate the importance of Brunnell to Gibbs. He wanted a veteran guy from the get go, and this is the guy he targeted. I think it has as much to do with character issues as anything, though I don't think those other QBs you listed are as good a fit as Brunell, or as good, period. That was the first thing Gibbs said he was going to do, and then, suprise, the first thing he did. You would have started your tenure as GM fighting with Washington's HOF football legend coach. You would have been lambasted on the number one fan website, THE WARPATH. ;)

remember, they are looking at a two to three year window, Im sure Gibbs prefers the experience of Springs to Plummer. Plus he is local, and Snyder is always going to prefer someone who can make him more $$$

Is camp here yet? I think we need something else to talk about!

LOL

I have no problem againt gibbs desire for Brunnel, i just think he doesn't understand how to do business with the salary cap. I have heard Gibbs say before many times he wants to be able to keep the same group of guys together for a long time. By the results of this offseason Gibbs basically has two years to win the superbowl, before they have to disasseble the team. And thats not fair to Gibbs. Just look at the numbers, 102 mill in two years. And thats not even counting our dead money charge, which is gonna be significant.

You know what's going to be significant? The boost of revenue that shoots the cap out of the roof. I think Brunell will be gone sooner than most think (1-2 years and he's on his ass) and we'll fire some guys, but we'll keep guys that restructure.

i agree that we shouldn't have given the 2nd rounder, and brunell got paid a lot, but there's no gaurantees cooley would be around in the 5th or that those d-linemen would work out... potential usually means "nothing doing this year" and gibbs would like a good first season i'm sure ;)

And beyond the coaching staff, they have added depth EVERYWHERE, and all the big names they brought in are dedicated team players of good character that want to win.

btw, i kinda think that springs really wasn't the best CB we could have gotten. Hopefully he stays healthy and can turn in a good year.

Good thing your not Gm, Portis will make you eat your words!

if you're talking to me, i'm just saying we probably could have gotten him without throwing a 2nd rounder away ;) if not, then disregard this post entirely, thank you :)

Sorry That Guy, I was just trying to comment on skin009 comment, fix everything with draft picks, I just like that Protis is PROVEN. I think that Gibbs will make him the corner stone of the off. and win ,hopefully, multi superbowls. As far as the 2nd rounder i think that was throw in to make the salaries work, could be wrong.

From all that was said the Broncos deal was not going to happen without the 2nd round pick and I still say it is in the air who got the best deal untill the season starts. Without the broncos deal we were looking at trading for maybe a first round pick if lucky or the best deal was the jets who offered three moderate/poor players in thie final contract years. The skins wanted Ellis but it was the Jets who turned them down .

Brunnell probably did overpay BUT compared with the other QB's out there available including Garcia and Waner Brunnell was the one with the fewest question marks. A number of other teams were waiting for him including Miami who ended trading a 2 or 3rd pick for AJ Freely from the Eagles.

The other aquisitions on the defence maybe will pan out or maybe wont but there are alot of things ther than just raw talent which contributes to performance on the field. There have been a number of players who step up in new systems and flourish and as for Springs over the likes of Plumber Springs give vetern leadership out there its all swings and roundabouts.

well, as far as who's ahead in the broncos trade, i think both teams are. if you saw the colts game, they need good DBs desperately, and they got one... they've always been a good training ground for 1000 yd RBs, so that wasn't seen as a huge loss. Meanwhile, champ was probably gone no matter what, it kind of hit the point of no return, and RB was one of our major holes (and a good RB is a cornerstone for gibbs), so we got what we wanted too.

People argue that good CBs are harder to find and last longer, and they're right, but which player will help gibbs win more games? I can't really find an arguement against portis there... the step down from champ to springs isn't nearly as big and between portis and betts/canidate/whoever else was running last year. Both teams made out, and while i'd think champ was good enough to go straight up, if I had to throw the pick, i would... I don't see another way to get a top RB outside drafting and praying (not a very surefire way to get a team cornerstone).

Of course, if davis were still around, I believe his contract would cost less and he'd produce enough yards to make everyone happy. That's probably one of worst recent personal decisions here, but I digress...

I loved the trade with Champ for Portis.We needed a runing game now we got one we got one of the best.I would take portis over anybody the jets have.

I am not sure that Davis would be making everyone hapy round here. In Carolina he is being exposed a litte as a good power back with good stamina in games but not exceptional. He can wear defences out simply by playing longer but he always wears down at the season end. I would not be supprised if DeShawn Foster is the Panters best runner this year...

The other thing you have to rember about the Davis contract, it was a mistake to pay him so much so soon meaning he would have to restructure or be cut down the line but it was in around the same time as 2000/1 spending spree which saw alot of money spent and wasted.

Personally I think even if Davis was here he would push the likes of Betts to be better and may be on the way to being replaced by Betts as he because he did show some promise in 2002 but I guess we will never know

I agree that portis is clearly a better RB, but at the time davis was cut, we had no replacement, and the 5-11 result isn't just because we didn't have an RB, but that's part of it.

Davis was a bit of a teacher too, hopefully portis wants to help the other RBs learn as well.

plus as someone mentioned a while back, without going 5-11 we wouldn't have taylor and more importantly gibbs would probably be coaching atlanta instead of the only team he should be allowed to coach.

As far as the Portis/Champ trade I would not of gave a 2nd round pick. A true corner only comes once in a bluemoon so, Denver should of been the one chalking up the picks. Secondly I would of gave portis a blockbuster contract with a lot of loopholes in order to have a bailout plan if he messes up.

I think the Brunnel trade is Justified because I don't know if we would had been able to get him in Free Agency. I remember he wanted to stay in florida with the buccs and also it is best to get a new QB ASAP in order to learn the system so, it would not have been beneficial for us to wait until June 1st to get a guy to lead a team. the extra practices that a new coach gets would have been a waste without a new QB.

I would have took Griffin not as much money, jumped on winstrom and cut Wynn. I would have offered a restructure to trotter and still got barrow. I also would have taken Ted Washington.

I would have also traded the two second round picks that would have had (ours, broncos) to the Raider with Trotter & Russel for their 2nd round and Teyo Johnson for our H-back position. then I would have drafted with their 2nd round Jake Grove. he would have been our center of the future. Then I would have followed through to the end with my picks same as the skins.

Drafted:
1Sean Taylor

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I think the Brunnel trade is Justified because I don't know if we would had been able to get him in Free Agency. I remember he wanted to stay in florida with the buccs and also it is best to get a new QB ASAP in order to learn the system so, it would not have been beneficial for us to wait until June 1st to get a guy to lead a team. the extra practices that a new coach gets would have been a waste without a new QB.[/QUOTE]

i understand your point but I think he was gonna be a march cap cut.

I'm getting in on this thread late, but I heartily agree with its originator that we've botched a lot of decisions in the offseason. I have a tremendous amount of belief in Gibbs as a coach, but not as a GM. If they had followed through and got Bobby Beathard to fill that position, he probably would have stepped in at some point and said, "You know what, Joe, I'm sorry, maybe twelve tight ends is enough. Let's find some defensive linemen."

How many Tight Ends can we possibly use? How many wide receivers? How many running backs? Unless we're plannnig on fielding the offenses for both teams this year, I think we've invested a little too heavily in those positions. (Meanwhile, we're reportedly going after yet another tight end right now. It's like that Fillipino first lady and shoes.) Some of this money could have gone to a big, beefy run-stopper, or resigning Smoot.

Also, wasn't Portis locked into a very inexpensive contract for like, three more seasons? What's the rush in forking over our biggest contract ever to him? I think our coaching will be terrific, and the franchise is definitely on the way up, but having a smart football personnel person in the front office is key, and we don't have that.

[QUOTE]Also, wasn't Portis locked into a very inexpensive contract for like, three more seasons? What's the rush in forking over our biggest contract ever to him? I think our coaching will be terrific, and the franchise is definitely on the way up, but having a smart football personnel person in the front office is key, and we don't have that.[/QUOTE]

It had to be redone, that is why denver traded him, he wanted a new contract.

I think it was 2 seasons at minimum, but you DON'T want to trade champ + a pick for a star RB, and then piss on that RB... we traded a lot to get him, and I think the staff figured, it'd be better to make sure he's happy with the team etc... and try to keep him here for a long time. (rightfully so)

[QUOTE=Daseal]You know what's going to be significant? The boost of revenue that shoots the cap out of the roof. I think Brunell will be gone sooner than most think (1-2 years and he's on his ass) and we'll fire some guys, but we'll keep guys that restructure.[/QUOTE]
I think that a cap boost will only make Peyton-esque signing bonuses more commonplace and not make it easier on ole Danny Boy to sign and keep players.

I would much rather see them pay too much than to be mad because our FO wouldn't cough up a 2nd round pick for our guy. If you want to know how that feels, simply look down at Big D where they refused to give up the 2nd round pick for Corey Dillon and drafted a young, smallish RB in the 2nd round.

I don't have a problem with acquiring Portis, and he was only on the block because he was unhappy with his contract, which paid him well below market value for a top 5 running back. And he is top 5. He'll get plenty of carries, I can't wait to see him running the ball for us.

I also think we could have waited for Brunell to get cut, but I see it as being a positive to go out and aggressively trade for your guy. Look, Brunell is only 34 and he's had success in the league before. He may not be as mobile as he once was, but he's always made plays with his arm anyway. PLus he's still not a statue in the pocket, he'll be able to move around in the pocket if necessary. I think he'll be properly motivated to prove Gibbs right.

I don't care what anyone says, Stephen Davis is the guy in Carolina. DeShaun Foster is a good change of pace and made some plays in the playoffs, but Davis is the guy for them. He's the one that people said was the best free agent pickup. And if he didn't sprain his ankle late in the season he would have been even more effective in the playoffs. That said, I like Betts chances in this offense. He's big and was scoring in the red zone until he got hurt. I can't wait to see how Gibbs uses the backs, I bet Betts will get a lot of action to keep Portis fresh. But no doubt, Portis is the man in our backfield and I look for him to be as effective as always.

[QUOTE=DAVE]I'm getting in on this thread late, but I heartily agree with its originator that we've botched a lot of decisions in the offseason. I have a tremendous amount of belief in Gibbs as a coach, but not as a GM. If they had followed through and got Bobby Beathard to fill that position, he probably would have stepped in at some point and said, "You know what, Joe, I'm sorry, maybe twelve tight ends is enough. Let's find some defensive linemen."

How many Tight Ends can we possibly use? How many wide receivers? How many running backs? Unless we're plannnig on fielding the offenses for both teams this year, I think we've invested a little too heavily in those positions. (Meanwhile, we're reportedly going after yet another tight end right now. It's like that Fillipino first lady and shoes.) Some of this money could have gone to a big, beefy run-stopper, or resigning Smoot.[/QUOTE]

It's called the offseason roster. EVERY team overstocks on some positions, just to see who breaks out from the crowd. Just because we are overloaded at TE (or any other position) now doesn't mean we will be when the season starts.
Also, there is virtually no fullback in Gibbs' offense. The H-back fills that void, and players who will play that position can be listed as a TE or FB. It just happens that most of the ones we have are TE's.

[QUOTE=DAVE]I'm getting in on this thread late, but I heartily agree with its originator that we've botched a lot of decisions in the offseason. I have a tremendous amount of belief in Gibbs as a coach, but not as a GM. If they had followed through and got Bobby Beathard to fill that position, he probably would have stepped in at some point and said, "You know what, Joe, I'm sorry, maybe twelve tight ends is enough. Let's find some defensive linemen."

How many Tight Ends can we possibly use? How many wide receivers? How many running backs? Unless we're plannnig on fielding the offenses for both teams this year, I think we've invested a little too heavily in those positions. (Meanwhile, we're reportedly going after yet another tight end right now. It's like that Fillipino first lady and shoes.) Some of this money could have gone to a big, beefy run-stopper, or resigning Smoot.[/QUOTE]

In Defense of Joe Gibbs - we have seven TE's on the roster now, and will likely run a lot of multiple TE sets. By the way, those TE's include some likely cuts. I sincerely doubt more than five will make the roster of 53 - and as SkinsRock said, the H-back is an offshoot of the TE anyway.

It should also be noted that the highest paid TE on the roster makes league minimum, so we aren't killing ourselves here.