Adam Archuletta
 

I cant remember if this is true or not, but I think lovie Smith really wanted Adam to become a Bear this year. Do you think that despite his situation this year, Adam could still be considered an impact player and traded for a good price to someone like the Bears?

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Traded with his current contract? Yeah right. He's got zero value, especially considering we're going to cut him in all likelihood.

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Not bad money for a year's worth of work.

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He has looked good blocking on punts today...

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It's funny when that's the best you can say about the highest paid S in the league. Or sad. I'm not sure which yet.

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I don't think he's that bad of a player, I think that if we didn't have ST, he would be the main safety, but you cant have two captains commanding one ship. I just thought that maybe someone else would see that and want him. I think that someone would be at least willing to give up a 4th rounder for him because they wouldnt pick up the signing bonus on his contract. But then again I havent been following football seriously for more than a year now, so I dont know how theses situations normally work out.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;258154]I don't think he's that bad of a player...[/QUOTE]


Too bad you don't work for the Bears personnel department.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;258121]Traded with his current contract? Yeah right. He's got zero value, especially considering we're going to cut him in all likelihood.[/QUOTE]

No shit. You couldnt trade his ass to me to clean my room for two weeks.


In all seriousness, I think our best option with Adam is to try to maneuver a position switch. I still think hes a good football player, hes just not a good saftey. I think if you can bring him up to maybe play some weak side LB or somthing like that, it could be a good chance.

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Adam (fart)chuletta......at linebacker WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA do u really think he could help the d anymore than he already has? :P Bench him...

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We should just ask him to redo his contract since im pretty sure he wants to play then we could trade him to the bears or we could give him like $4 million and tell him to leave us alone

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there was a reason that the skins brought him here. i say give him at least one more year to see if we can utilize him the right way

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i think he is a victum of the secondary not meeting together

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Archuletta has only been effective as a safety in the NFL when he's the 8th man in the box.

He's not the right match with Taylor.

The secondary and Taylor play better when the opposite safety is more of a coverage guy.

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There is no doubt in my mind that they are trying to make him so miserable that he begs to buy out of his contract just like they did with Lavar. It's not a bad strategy in the cap era when you don't have that many other options. He already got the nice signing bonus and he probably hates it here so he will try anything to get away.

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[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;258266]Archuletta has only been effective as a safety in the NFL when he's the 8th man in the box.

He's not the right match with Taylor.

The secondary and Taylor play better when the opposite safety is more of a coverage guy.[/QUOTE]

That's what I was saying when the Skins signed him. A lot of us on this site hate on Roy Williams. I said, when we signed him, that the Skins just gave huge money to a worse version of Roy Williams. He's only ever been marginally better than Matt Bowen. The Skins should have just hung on to him instead of signing Archuletta...or Clark...hmmmmm, what a novel thought.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;258154]I don't think he's that bad of a player[/QUOTE]

I agree.
I feel we are all down on Arch because he hasn't fit our mold and we've asked him to do waaaay too much in pass coverage. Adam has NEVER been a great pass defender, he's a run stopper. He'd be great in our system if we actually had CB's and a safty that liked to pass protect as well. Taylor and Arch together was not a good idea. Ronnie Lott was one of the best hitters in all the NFL, but he played pass defense. Both our safties don't do both.

I actually like the idea of moving him to LB. (someone brought that up) He loves to hit the hole and knock people senseless. He has good speed (not great) and his size is 6'0" 223 lbs, Zach Thomas is 5'11" 228. Not a big difference.
With our HORRIBLE lb's (minus Washington) we could use him!!!

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[quote=wilsowilso;258268]There is no doubt in my mind that they are trying to make him so miserable that he begs to buy out of his contract just like they did with Lavar. It's not a bad strategy in the cap era when you don't have that many other options. He already got the nice signing bonus and he probably hates it here so he will try anything to get away.[/quote]

Actually I heard on sports talk 980 that the NFL put in new restrictions after the Lavar fiasco that does not allow players to buy out of there contracts anymore/return money to the team. Since this new rule teams have to be more than careful about handing out huge sontracts/bonuses because of this.

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I think we should give him another shot back there. He has to be better than Vernon Fox and I'd like to see him in now, after the safeties' strategy appears to have been altered, i.e. not being as aggressive.

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[quote=Bill B;258391]Actually I heard on sports talk 980 that the NFL put in new restrictions after the Lavar fiasco that does not allow players to buy out of there contracts anymore/return money to the team. Since this new rule teams have to be more than careful about handing out huge sontracts/bonuses because of this.[/quote]

Yeah, the nflpa got that put into the new cba I believe. It guarantees "guaranteed" money as much as possible.
Maybe AA will retire & then un-retire, we wouldn't have to pay him all of his salary, but I'm sure some of it would still be dead cap $.
If the Lavar strategy is being used, I think it's really poor mgmt. Players talk to other players & they do have a union. It's not good for morale. In Lavar's case it seemed there was a lot he & his agents brought on himself, we haven't heard anything from AA (unless he's the mole in the Friend article) to indicate that he's a problem other than sucking in coverage. Ditto the Coles debacle. It can't be good for player-mgmt. relations to have threats looming over your player's heads!

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I don't think there's going to be any fancy workings to get AA off the team. I think they'll just cut him.

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the switch to linebacker isnt as crazy as some of u are making it out to be. he was a linebacker in college i believe

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[quote=Mattyk72;258809]I don't think there's going to be any fancy workings to get AA off the team. I think they'll just cut him.[/quote]

Man! What a heartbreaker, to pony up that kind of cash for nothing. If he's Gregs guy, he should have to answer for that. He really shouldn't have missed by that far

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i dont really know why we would cut him, i dont think he is really messing chemistry up or anything. it costs like 7 million more to cut him then to just keep him on the bench

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[quote=Bill B;258391]Actually I heard on sports talk 980 that the NFL put in new restrictions after the Lavar fiasco that does not allow players to buy out of there contracts anymore/return money to the team. Since this new rule teams have to be more than careful about handing out huge sontracts/bonuses because of this.[/quote]

Oh I didn't know they changed that. I guess like Matty said they will just cut him. That is going to be a huge cap hit.

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[quote=Big C;258813]i dont really know why we would cut him, i dont think he is really messing chemistry up or anything. it costs like 7 million more to cut him then to just keep him on the bench[/quote]

Why?

Why not?

He's been rotting on the bench for weeks now and reportedly some of the coaches aren't even talking to him anywhere. He's clearly been scapegoated, or LaVar'd as we know it around here.

Moving to LB isn't going to solve his coverage abilities which have always been a problem.

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It's incredibly stupid -- it all seems like he's being "LaVar'ed" out of spite, just to send a message, and does anyone think that Arch Deluxe would be worse out there than any of the other ringers we've got?

It really feels like there is something personal between he and Grilliams that has landed him in the doghouse. I can't believe this guy is just sitting for the amount of money he was paid and for how much PT he's seen in his career.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;258816]Why?

Why not?

He's been rotting on the bench for weeks now and reportedly some of the coaches aren't even talking to him anywhere. He's clearly been scapegoated, or LaVar'd as we know it around here.

Moving to LB isn't going to solve his coverage abilities which have always been a problem.[/QUOTE]

like i said, its about 7 million dollars cheaper to keep him and let him rot, according to the cap sheets i believe.

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Well, I do think he's been that bad. Pull up any game that he started this year and there's at least one instance of him getting completely toasted.

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I'm sorry guys but with his contract Adam will be a Redskin for at least 2 more years as I said when you got him, worst pickend and wayyy above market value.

The real question is if Archuletta is worth 30 mill how much money S.Taylors agent will ask when it's time to sit in the table

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[quote=Big C;258819]like i said, its about 7 million dollars cheaper to keep him and let him rot, according to the cap sheets i believe.[/quote]

Roster spots are so valuable we can't just hold on to him because of his cap cut figure.

We've never been afraid in the past to bite the bullet on other guys, Coles being the biggest single cut.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;258823]Roster spots are so valuable we can't just hold on to him because of his cap cut figure.

We've never been afraid in the past to bite the bullet on other guys, Coles being the biggest single cut.[/QUOTE]

the way i look at it, we cut him, we still will need to get a solid special teams guy and it would be cheaper in that regard to just keep him. i doubt we cut him, unless he somehow restructures his deal to be more cap friendly for a cut, if thats even possible, or if he does a buyout like lavar

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We'll see.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;258821]I'm sorry guys but with his contract Adam will be a Redskin for at least 2 more years as I said when you got him, worst pickend and wayyy above market value.

The real question is if Archuletta is worth 30 mill how much money S.Taylors agent will ask when it's time to sit in the table[/quote]

You sure say you're sorry a lot.

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[quote=Mattyk72;258820]Well, I do think he's been that bad. Pull up any game that he started this year and there's at least one instance of him getting completely toasted.[/quote]

As opposed to whom else in the secondary who's been solid?

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[quote=dgack;258830]As opposed to whom else in the secondary who's been solid?[/quote]

By toasted I mean being totally out of position and nowhere near making a play. The secondary has settled down a bit since earlier in the year, it's probably no coincidence that AA is riding the bench.

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he IS going to some team (if he leaves here)............to play. There must be a way to get something for him. He just hasn't worked in this scheme

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I also think he'll be gone.

The fact that we paid him so much and he doesn't even see the field with the 30th ranked D speaks volumes. I think we'll dump him after June 1, take a ($2M) deadcap hit in 2007 and a ($7M) deadcap hit in 2008.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;258883]I also think he'll be gone.

The fact that we paid him so much and he doesn't even see the field with the 30th ranked D speaks volumes. I think we'll dump him after June 1, take a ($2M) deadcap hit in 2007 and a ($7M) deadcap hit in 2008.[/QUOTE]

Man, if those are the actual cap figures, that will hurt. You live by free agency and this is an inevitable scenario.
Before we give up on him, I'd still like to see him try being an LB. I think he can't be much worse than what we have.

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It's a disaster all round. And I'm willing to bet those are the right cap figures--Canuck lives in an igloo or something and spends all his time working on cap charts and hunting moose. Or that is my vision of him. ;)

I wouldn't be surprised if we make some changes with our D coaches--maybe a new coach will figure out how to make something out of AA? Just a a dream...

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;258898]It's a disaster all round. And I'm willing to bet those are the right cap figures--Canuck lives in an igloo or something and spends all his time working on cap charts and hunting moose. Or that is my vision of him. ;) [/QUOTE]

The only igloo with Internet access! ;)