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Seven Steps to Redskins Renewal
There have been a lot of posts about the Redskins sucking. I came up with seven simple steps that if followed, will help Redskin fans to deal our current situation. [SIZE=2]Follow these simple steps and the remainder of the season won't seem that bad.
[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]Seven Steps to Redskin Renewal[/B] [I]1. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskins will not make the playoffs.[/I] [I]2. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskins are not that good.[/I] [I]3. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskin organization has not put the team in the best position to win football games.[/I] [I]4. Accept that for the remainder of the season, the 2006 Washington Redskins are in a rebuilding mode.[/I] [I]5. Accept that for the remainder of the season, the fans should expect improvement, not necessarily wins.[/I] [I]6. Accept that for the remainder of the season, Jason Campbell at times will look like a rookie.[/I] [I]7. Trust that Joe Gibbs and his staff will access the team's strengths and weaknesses and adjust in the offseason accordingly.[/I] [/SIZE] |
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Am I the only one thinking "huh?"
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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;258928][SIZE=2][I]6. Accept that for the remainder of the season, Jason Campbell at times will look like a rookie.[/I][/SIZE][/quote]
This is a big one. Not as much for this particular forum, since I think about 90% of Warpath members realize this, but a lot of the general Redskins fanbase(at least the vocal fans that call in to Redskins radio shows) are talking about drafting Quinn because Campbell hasn't shown anything. That kind of thinking is just plain stupid... |
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A couple of weeks too late with this no?
By the way, we were officially eliminated from the playoffs yesterday and we also locked up the basement of the East. Props to us! |
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7 Steps for a good season in 2007:
1. Healthy Portis 2. Healthy Moss 3. Healthy secondary 4. Healthy D-line 5. Healthy O-line 6. Get a kicker 7. Keep Campbell in |
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[quote=Buster;258936]7 Steps for a good season in 2007:
1. Healthy Portis 2. Healthy Moss 3. Healthy secondary 4. Healthy D-line 5. Healthy O-line 6. Get a kicker 7. Keep Campbell in[/quote] 8. Play McIntosh instead of Holdman |
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[quote=gabe1984;258938]8. Play McIntosh instead of Holdman[/quote]
9. Draft an impact defensive end. |
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[quote=Buster;258936]7 Steps for a good season in 2007:
1. Healthy Portis 2. Healthy Moss 3. Healthy secondary 4. Healthy D-line 5. Healthy O-line 6. Get a kicker 7. Keep Campbell in[/quote] #7: Most qb's take a couple of years to develop, we might be expecting too much too quick. |
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[quote=Mattyk72;258935]A couple of weeks too late with this no?
By the way, we were officially eliminated from the playoffs yesterday and we also locked up the basement of the East. Props to us![/quote] You are right Matty, this post is a little late, but it seems as though some of the posters are still expecting wins. |
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8. Make the players spend Christmas together.
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[QUOTE=Buster;258936]7 Steps for a good season in 2007:
1. Healthy Portis 2. Healthy Moss 3. Healthy secondary 4. Healthy D-line 5. Healthy O-line 6. Get a kicker 7. Keep Campbell in[/QUOTE] I was impressed by Susssss...uh.....our kicker who kicked for us this past weekend. If we can continue to hit field goals from 40+, then I think we will have a kicker, but it will take the rest of the season to evaluate him. |
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[quote=skinsguy;258970]I was impressed by Susssss...uh.....our kicker who kicked for us this past weekend. If we can continue to hit field goals from 40+, then I think we will have a kicker, but it will take the rest of the season to evaluate him.[/quote]
Sushi or whatever-the-hell-his-name-is has looked pretty good so far. His accuracy is good and his kickoff depth is very good. |
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[quote=Southpaw;258933]This is a big one. Not as much for this particular forum, since I think about 90% of Warpath members realize this, but a lot of the general Redskins fanbase(at least the vocal fans that call in to Redskins radio shows) are talking about drafting Quinn because Campbell hasn't shown anything. That kind of thinking is just plain stupid...[/quote]
You are so right here, and I posted to this effect earlier, but take a look at Peyton Manning's first season: [FONT=Fixedsys]+----------+--------------------------+----------------+[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]+----------+--------------------------+----------------+[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 1 mia | 21 37 302 1 3 | 0 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 2 nwe | 21 33 188 1 3 | 0 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 3 nyj | 20 44 193 0 2 | 3 26 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 4 nor | 19 32 309 1 3 | 1 7 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 5 sdg | 12 23 137 1 1 | 2 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 6 buf | 20 41 235 2 2 | 0 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 7 sfo | 18 30 231 3 0 | 0 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 9 nwe | 30 52 278 2 2 | 0 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 10 mia | 22 42 140 1 2 | 0 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 11 nyj | 26 44 276 3 2 | 4 21 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 12 buf | 14 29 164 1 2 | 2 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 13 bal | 27 42 357 3 1 | 1 2 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 14 atl | 19 27 159 2 2 | 1 7 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 15 cin | 17 26 210 3 0 | 1 -1 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 16 sea | 23 39 335 1 1 | 0 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| 17 car | 17 34 225 1 2 | 0 0 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]+----------+--------------------------+----------------+[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]| TOTAL | 326 575 3739 26 28 | 15 62 0 |[/FONT] [FONT=Fixedsys]+----------+--------------------------+----------------+[/FONT] And he came in as the starter! Look at some of the truly awful games there, and note that the Colts went 3-13 that year. |
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[quote=Buster;258936]7 Steps for a good season in 2007:
1. Healthy Portis 2. Healthy Moss 3. Healthy secondary 4. Healthy D-line 5. Healthy O-line 6. Get a kicker 7. Keep Campbell in[/quote] this all assumes that we change our training camp ways and improve our depth dramatically, or else the injuries could be worse next year. |
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Note that in Manning's first season he completed only 56% of his passes (Campbell currently completing 52%) and threw more INT's than TD's (Campbell currently 6 TD's / 5 INT's).
Campbell has attempted 122 passes in 4 games, Manning attempted 575 in 17 games. Based on Jason's current rate of atts/cmps/TD's/INT's, if he played a full 17 game season at the current pace, his line would be: 268 comp / 519 att / 3010yd/ 25 TD / 21 INT Now ask yourself if you could live with those numbers from a first year QB? |
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[quote=dgack;259001]Note that in Manning's first season he completed only 56% of his passes (Campbell currently completing 52%) and threw more INT's than TD's (Campbell currently 6 TD's / 5 INT's).
Campbell has attempted 122 passes in 4 games, Manning attempted 575 in 17 games. Based on Jason's current rate of atts/cmps/TD's/INT's, if he played a full 17 game season at the current pace, his line would be: 268 comp / 519 att / 25 TD / 21 INT[/quote] :Smoker: |
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Hey, believe it or not, that's the projection based on the way he's played over 4 games. And one would expect him to get better as time goes on, which isn't even accounted for.
Am I saying Campbell is going to be the next Peyton Manning? Uhh, no. (Although I wouldn't mind.) But what I am saying is anyone who is already up in arms that Campbell hasn't made an impact are the ones who are really smoking something. Very few 1st year QB's ever have that kind of success right away. |
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I agree that Campbell is going to be good, eventually. Knowing the Skins luck, we'll trade him before that....
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[quote=Buster;258936]7 Steps for a good season in 2007:
1. Healthy Portis 2. Healthy Moss 3. Healthy secondary 4. Healthy D-line 5. Healthy O-line 6. Get a kicker 7. Keep Campbell in[/quote] I like this one because I think staying healthy is the key. Staying healthy builds a bond between players and helps consistency. |
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[quote=dgack;259001]Note that in Manning's first season he completed only 56% of his passes (Campbell currently completing 52%) and threw more INT's than TD's (Campbell currently 6 TD's / 5 INT's).
Campbell has attempted 122 passes in 4 games, Manning attempted 575 in 17 games. Based on Jason's current rate of atts/cmps/TD's/INT's, if he played a full 17 game season at the current pace, his line would be: 268 comp / 519 att / 3010yd/ 25 TD / 21 INT Now ask yourself if you could live with those numbers from a first year QB?[/quote] i just hope snyder and gibbs remain patient with him |
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I think Synder and Gibbs will. We did trade up to get him and Gibbs knows rookies need time. I think next year he will be good, Brunell just needs to guide him in the right direction.
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[quote=dgack;259001]Note that in Manning's first season he completed only 56% of his passes (Campbell currently completing 52%) and threw more INT's than TD's (Campbell currently 6 TD's / 5 INT's).
Campbell has attempted 122 passes in 4 games, Manning attempted 575 in 17 games. Based on Jason's current rate of atts/cmps/TD's/INT's, if he played a full 17 game season at the current pace, his line would be: 268 comp / 519 att / 3010yd/ 25 TD / 21 INT Now ask yourself if you could live with those numbers from a first year QB?[/quote]Really, he just needs to get his completion % up. If he does that, the yards/attempt will come up with it. Know when it's smart to take the shot downfield, but just because it's 1 v 1 doesn't mean you have to make the low percentage pass. It may be the best throw, but JC should still be reading the field. |
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Is this like AA? (Not our worthless used-to be safety, now punt block guy, but Alcholics Anonymous? (sp))
Do we have to apologize or hug anyone? My name is JWSleep, and I've been depressed about the skins for months now... ;) |
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Everybody: "Hi JWsleep"
:grouphug: |
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I have a hard time with #7 as Gibbs et al have done nothing to gain my trust that they can evaluate personell and make correct decision in that area.
I agree with teh other 6. |
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[quote=irish;259248]I have a hard time with #7 as Gibbs et al have done nothing to gain my trust that they can evaluate personell and make correct decision in that area.
I agree with teh other 6.[/quote] Too bad you missed the Superbowl years. You would have more faith if you could remember them. |
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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;258928]There have been a lot of posts about the Redskins sucking. I came up with seven simple steps that if followed, will help Redskin fans to deal our current situation. [SIZE=2]Follow these simple steps and the remainder of the season won't seem that bad.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][B]Seven Steps to Redskin Renewal[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][I]1. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskins will not make the playoffs.[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][I]2. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskins are not that good.[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][I]3. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskin organization has not put the team in the best position to win football games.[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][I]4. Accept that for the remainder of the season, the 2006 Washington Redskins are in a rebuilding mode.[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][I]5. Accept that for the remainder of the season, the fans should expect improvement, not necessarily wins.[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][I]6. Accept that for the remainder of the season, Jason Campbell at times will look like a rookie.[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][I]7. Trust that Joe Gibbs and his staff will access the team's strengths and weaknesses and adjust in the offseason accordingly.[/I][/SIZE] [/quote] I simpy don't trust Gibbs anymore. |
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[quote=hesscl34;259249]Too bad you missed the Superbowl years. You would have more faith if you could remember them.[/quote]
I remember those years very well. But back then he wasn't making the personel moves. You can also give Ritchie Petibone some credit too. W/out Ritchie does Gibbs wins 3 SB's ??? |
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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;259262]I simpy don't trust Gibbs anymore.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's hard to trust him when he's contradicted himself so many times since he's been back. They made a guy like AA the highest paid player in league history at his position but he can't even crack the 3rd string and we're supposed to have faith that they can accurately evaluate anyone? That might be too big a leap of faith for me at this point. |
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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;259266]Yeah, it's hard to trust him when he's contradicted himself so many times since he's been back. They made a guy like AA the highest paid player in league history at his position but he can't even crack the 3rd string and we're supposed to have faith that they can accurately evaluate anyone?
That might be too big a leap of faith for me at this point.[/quote] If this was anyone else he would be run out of town. |
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Hey, What's up guys! I'm new to the site and just signed up today. I've been a die hard skins fan for quite some time. Tough dealing with all these Giants fans in New York.
I have watched every game this year. Reason why we are losing: 1) Gibbs is a Hall of Fame Coach who decided to not call plays for the fist time in his NFL career?? (not a good move in my mind) 2) Defense looks completely soft. Carlos Rogers has been awful. Springs injury put CB depth or lack of under the radar. Why cut Walt Harris?? Why let safety go to Steelers. That guy was Sean Taylor's best friend on the team. I love Taylor but he's not where he should be after 3 years. 3) Play Calling. We beat Atlanta if we run the ball after we stop them on 4th down. We beat Philly if we run 4 straight time on the 3 yard line. We beat Tampa Bay if Williams does not call an all out blitz where Rogers gets smoked. Hey AL!!! When in doubt, run the ball and run some more. Our offensive line has started every game this year and are by far our bright spot. I love Gibbs but he needs to do some soul searching and get this thing right! GO SKINS!!!!! |
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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;259266]Yeah, it's hard to trust him when he's contradicted himself so many times since he's been back. They made a guy like AA the highest paid player in league history at his position but he can't even crack the 3rd string and we're supposed to have faith that they can accurately evaluate anyone?
That might be too big a leap of faith for me at this point.[/QUOTE] Is Archuleta the only move he made? Did you mistrust him when we got Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Washington, Moss and jetissoned guys like McCants, Bowen, Gardner? I mean yeah he's made mistakes. And chances are he will again. But it's not as if it's one bad move after another and I don't know anyone can say he can't be trusted or can't evaluate anyone |
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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;258928]There have been a lot of posts about the Redskins sucking. I came up with seven simple steps that if followed, will help Redskin fans to deal our current situation. [SIZE=2]Follow these simple steps and the remainder of the season won't seem that bad.
[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][B]Seven Steps to Redskin Renewal[/B] [I]1. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskins will not make the playoffs.[/I] [I]2. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskins are not that good.[/I] [I]3. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskin organization has not put the team in the best position to win football games.[/I] [I]4. Accept that for the remainder of the season, the 2006 Washington Redskins are in a rebuilding mode.[/I] [I]5. Accept that for the remainder of the season, the fans should expect improvement, not necessarily wins.[/I] [I]6. Accept that for the remainder of the season, Jason Campbell at times will look like a rookie.[/I] [I]7. Trust that Joe Gibbs and his staff will access the team's strengths and weaknesses and adjust in the offseason accordingly.[/I] [/SIZE][/quote] Seems to me you have some contradictions in here...more specifically, [SIZE=2][I]3. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskin organization has not put the team in the best position to win football games. and [/I][/SIZE][SIZE=2][I]7. Trust that Joe Gibbs and his staff will access the team's strengths and weaknesses and adjust in the offseason accordingly. [/I]While we must trust them for the sake of continuity, i am VERY skeptical of their ability to work together- well, at this point. seems to me that this is the case study for the too many chiefs argument. [/SIZE] |
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[quote=JDALY27;259270]Hey, What's up guys! I'm new to the site and just signed up today. I've been a die hard skins fan for quite some time. Tough dealing with all these Giants fans in New York.
I have watched every game this year. Reason why we are losing: 1) Gibbs is a Hall of Fame Coach who decided to not call plays for the fist time in his NFL career?? (not a good move in my mind) 2) Defense looks completely soft. Carlos Rogers has been awful. Springs injury put CB depth or lack of under the radar. Why cut Walt Harris?? Why let safety go to Steelers. That guy was Sean Taylor's best friend on the team. I love Taylor but he's not where he should be after 3 years. 3) Play Calling. We beat Atlanta if we run the ball after we stop them on 4th down. We beat Philly if we run 4 straight time on the 3 yard line. We beat Tampa Bay if Williams does not call an all out blitz where Rogers gets smoked. Hey AL!!! When in doubt, run the ball and run some more. Our offensive line has started every game this year and are by far our bright spot. I love Gibbs but he needs to do some soul searching and get this thing right! GO SKINS!!!!![/quote] Welcome! Where are you located in NY? |
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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;259266]Yeah, it's hard to trust him when he's contradicted himself so many times since he's been back. They made a guy like AA the highest paid player in league history at his position but he can't even crack the 3rd string and we're supposed to have faith that they can accurately evaluate anyone?
That might be too big a leap of faith for me at this point.[/quote] I wanted to say something about this -- which is, one of the problems with blaming (or praising) Gibbs for every decision, is that, like it or not, it's very probable that a lot of those decisions were made fairly independently by guys who he has delegated a lot of authority to. When Grilliamss decided he wanted Arch Deluxe and wanted to drop a ton of cash on him, Joe ultimately had to sign off on the deal, but what it likely came down to was him saying, "do I trust and believe in this guy (Grilliamss)?" and "Does what he's saying seem so wrong that I can't allow it to happen?" When you're a leader in a management organization like the Skins, you learn pretty quick that micromanagement and looking over the shoulders of your subordinates is a huge mistake (and a waste of time). It sabotages them, they resent it, and ultimately it just kills any leadership development. What you do is bring in good, smart people you believe in, and you let them do their thing. If they need help, you give it, and if they screw up, you gotta let them know. But you also know you can't go countermanding their instructions or you essentially undermine their leadership entirely. I firmly believe Joe is going to have a lot to say to both Saunders and Grilliamss in the offseason, and he may very well be less willing to sign off on things they ask for, sight unseen. They probably lost a little bit of his trust, and should have to earn it back. But I also know that as a leader who wants his people to succeed, Joe is not necessarily the cause of all of this mess. He's accountable for it, but I'm not so sure he's responsible for it. There's a big difference. |
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[quote=Mattyk72;259308]Welcome! Where are you located in NY?[/quote]
Work in Manhattan. |
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[quote=dgack;259315]I wanted to say something about this -- which is, one of the problems with blaming (or praising) Gibbs for every decision, is that, like it or not, it's very probable that a lot of those decisions were made fairly independently by guys who he has delegated a lot of authority to. When Grilliamss decided he wanted Arch Deluxe and wanted to drop a ton of cash on him, Joe ultimately had to sign off on the deal, but what it likely came down to was him saying, "do I trust and believe in this guy (Grilliamss)?" and "Does what he's saying seem so wrong that I can't allow it to happen?"
When you're a leader in a management organization like the Skins, you learn pretty quick that micromanagement and looking over the shoulders of your subordinates is a huge mistake (and a waste of time). It sabotages them, they resent it, and ultimately it just kills any leadership development. What you do is bring in good, smart people you believe in, and you let them do their thing. If they need help, you give it, and if they screw up, you gotta let them know. But you also know you can't go countermanding their instructions or you essentially undermine their leadership entirely. I firmly believe Joe is going to have a lot to say to both Saunders and Grilliamss in the offseason, and he may very well be less willing to sign off on things they ask for, sight unseen. They probably lost a little bit of his trust, and should have to earn it back. But I also know that as a leader who wants his people to succeed, Joe is not necessarily the cause of all of this mess. He's accountable for it, but I'm not so sure he's responsible for it. There's a big difference.[/quote] Good points but you're just guessing. Noone knows how it goes down on the inside. Drafting Sean Taylor over Winslow lead me to beleive you're right about personel moves by G. Williams over Gibbs. That was year 1 though. Interesting to see where they go in this draft coming up..... |
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[quote=BrunellMVP?;259284]Seems to me you have some contradictions in here...more specifically,
[SIZE=2][I]3. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskin organization has not put the team in the best position to win football games. and [/I][/SIZE][SIZE=2][I]7. Trust that Joe Gibbs and his staff will access the team's strengths and weaknesses and adjust in the offseason accordingly.[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]While we must trust them for the sake of continuity, i am VERY skeptical of their ability to work together- well, at this point. seems to me that this is the case study for the too many chiefs argument. [/SIZE] [/quote] I wouldn't say that these two are contradictory. I think we can say that the organization made mistakes this year and did not put the team in a good position to win games but at year's end, they can access where the team stands and adjust accordingly. As fans, we have to trust that they know what they are doing. |
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[quote=TAFKAS;259272]Is Archuleta the only move he made? Did you mistrust him when we got Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Washington, Moss and jetissoned guys like McCants, Bowen, Gardner?
I mean yeah he's made mistakes. And chances are he will again. But it's not as if it's one bad move after another and I don't know anyone can say he can't be trusted or can't evaluate anyone[/quote] Those were good moves. Especially Cooley. But anyone can go get a bunch of FA's if you have an owner that will spend for bonuses. It doesn't take a brillant FO person to get FA's. And if you ask me the jury is still out on Taylor. He really must improve on coverage and being a more disiplined player. But the bad moves are so bad that it's not even funny. They are just horrible moves. The Duckett move was the last straw for me. How does someone who is away from it for 11 years all of a sudden come in off the street and have complete control over personel? Makes no sense. Just coach the team. He's having a hard enough time doing that. Dick Vermeil didn't get full control when he came back. And he was at least doing broadcasting. But where are the 3rd and 4th round gems? Where are Marcus Colston's? Where are the Demarcus Ware's? This is what Bobby B. was so good at. Bottom line is hire a GM and make that person have complete control over personel and leave Gibbs to coaching. |
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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;259413]I wouldn't say that these two are contradictory. I think we can say that the organization made mistakes this year and did not put the team in a good position to win games but at year's end, they can access where the team stands and adjust accordingly. As fans, we have to trust that they know what they are doing.[/quote]
I won't trust them until a legit proven GM comes in here. I'm not forking over anymore $for season tickets until I see something done. I'm not coming out to the stadium anymore and watch them loose to Tenn. at home. Under Snyder we have made the playoffs once. 99 does not count cause Casserly set that team up. So if he really wants to win he is going to have to bring in someone who really knows how to do it. |
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