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Santana clearly had his hand UNDER the ball...AND...on the 'Aints only TD drive, they clearly did not get the ball snapped before the play clock ran out but no call and they gained good yardage down to the 2 and scored in the next 2 plays. A loss would have compounded the frustration, but still very glaring no calls. Yeah... and last year, Plummer didn't fumble on the goal line and Allstot got in.

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i agree with those 2 missed calls, but i thought the refs overall did a good job

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i thought the refs were crap, lots of missed calls. was embarassing how long it took to realize that brees was past the line of scrimmage when he threw it. also, may seem small but refs messed up big when saints stretched for a first down but wasnt tackled while stretching, and was actually tackled short of the first. the delay of game they missed was huge like u said, and they missed a clear hold on carter on a drive the saints eventually got a first

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They were crap, they missed couple of holding calls and one that was clearly a push in the back when Carter was rushing the QB. They were shit and I hope they don't get to ref in the playoffs.

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That no call on the delay of game was extremely too obvious. The pass to Moss was close, but I certainly felt Moss had caught that ball.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;261159]i agree with those 2 missed calls, but i thought the refs overall did a good job[/QUOTE]

They missed quite a bit of calls today. I don't know if they were just "letting them play" or what, but I wouldn't say they did a good job.

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They made a huge mistake with less than 1 min to go and the Saints were driving. Reggie Bush caught a pass, he was tackled in bounds, but the official stopped the clock thinking he had gotten out of bounds.

Several seconds should have been ticked off and NO would have had to blow a time out.

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The worst non-call by far was when Carter broke free after Brees and he basically got tackled from behind. Horrible non-call.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;261202]The worst non-call by far was when Carter broke free after Brees and he basically got tackled from behind. Horrible non-call.[/QUOTE]

And what about that pass (think it was in the first half.) Brees was pressed and threw the ball away. It should've been intentional grounding. The ball never made it back to the line of scrimmage.

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I didnt think it was horrible, but certainly not good, what really got to me was Carter was being held from behind on sevreal occasions, and not one call.

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How do you MISS a delay of game?!

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i can understand missing it by like a fraction of a second but that was nearing 2 seconds... pathetic

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[quote=dblanch66;261157]Santana clearly had his hand UNDER the ball...AND...on the 'Aints only TD drive, they clearly did not get the ball snapped before the play clock ran out but no call and they gained good yardage down to the 2 and scored in the next 2 plays. A loss would have compounded the frustration, but still very glaring no calls. Yeah... and last year, Plummer didn't fumble on the goal line and Allstot got in.[/quote]
And don't forget about the sorry, no-account line judge who didn't have the balls to throw a flag when Brees threw an illegal pass AFTER scrambling past the line of scrimmage. When Gibbs threw the red challenge flag, here's how the official's huddle probably sounded:

Ref: So did the QB still have posession of the ball after crossing the line of scrimmage?

Line Judge: Duh, yeah, I think so.

Ref: So WTF didn't you throw your flag?

Line Judge: Duh, I was waiting for you to throw yours first.

Ref: That's your call as the Line Judge. Pull your head out of your ass and wake up!!!

At least the Ref did the right thing by giving back the Skins challenge and calling the penalty after the fact.

Baldinger the idiot totally missed commenting on what should have been the delay of game you mentioned. I believe that was on a key 3rd down play that set up the Saints only TD. I believe the Umpire is responsible for spotting delay of game calls, and again, the crew had their thumbs up their asses on that one.

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Not to be apologetic for refs, but they don't matter one way or another 90% of the time how a game turns out. They can make horrendous calls at times (looking at you, officiating crew from Super Bowl 40), but it's really up to the teams to decide the outcome of the game. The Skins have gotten both good calls and bad calls this season, we won today, and that's all that matters!

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[quote=dblanch66;261157]Santana clearly had his hand UNDER the ball...AND...on the 'Aints only TD drive, they clearly did not get the ball snapped before the play clock ran out but no call and they gained good yardage down to the 2 and scored in the next 2 plays. A loss would have compounded the frustration, but still very glaring no calls. Yeah... and last year, Plummer didn't fumble on the goal line and Allstot got in.[/quote]

That wasn't exactly an obvious call. I didn't see the game in HD today but I couldn't tell that he definitively got his hand under the ball.

Maybe you need 6 beers to see it...

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It did look like Moss had his hand under the ball, but there was no way it was conclusive enough to overturn it. Good challenge though.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;261402]It did look like Moss had his hand under the ball, but there was no way it was conclusive enough to overturn it. Good challenge though.[/QUOTE]
I'm too late...Matty took the words I was going to say and posted them under his name. Bastard.

The non-call on the delay of game was horrendous. The non-call on Carter, who got tackled, near the Saints end zone was pretty bad. Wife had to tell me to lower my voice because she didn't want the neighbors to think I was beating her.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;261323]That wasn't exactly an obvious call. I didn't see the game in HD today but I couldn't tell that he definitively got his hand under the ball.

Maybe you need 6 beers to see it...[/quote]

I thought he caught it when they replayed it but I also said to myself that it's too close to reverse. Also, I could have sworn it was Randle El not Moss on that play.

Delay of game should have been called as well as at least two holds. Funny, I rarely pay attention to our offensive linemen as far as holding goes but you can be damn sure I'll notice when the other team does.

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On the Saints' very first play from scrimmage I swear Andre Carter was held and it looked down right obvious. I could be wrong but he tried to turn and get to Brees but the OT held him back. On the Santana catch it looked like he caught it to me but I can understand them not overturning it I guess. The Delay of game, I almost spilled my beer on that shit ! Overall, I'm happy the Skins won but I tell you when the league wants someone to win they do what they can don't they ? That's just my opinion

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I thought Carter was held all day--the tackle from behind was the most obvious. He's really stepped up his game.

But it's hard to complain when we get so few calls against us--we are one of the most penalzied teams. I think we probably benefit from non-calls more than most, given our history this season.

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[quote=VTSkins897;261284]i can understand missing it by like a fraction of a second but that was nearing 2 seconds... pathetic[/quote]

Yeah, it was VERY obvious. I was yelling at the TV on that one. It's really bad because they got a big gain and first down. It would've ended their drive with simple enforcement of the rules.

There WERE lots of bad calls, but I'm glad we overcame them.

It's great to see that we've stopped getting penalties in the last couple of weeks after letting stupid things kill us all season. We've really become more diciplined. I heard the commentator say that Gibbs brought in refs to throw flags in practices and makes films of all penalties in games AND practices so the guys have to watch every one of their goof-ups.

More evidence he's the best coach in the NFL...even if he doesn't have a lot to work with (from injuries).

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In their defense the official time is kept on the field so there could have been a discrepancy between what we saw on TV and what the official time actually was on the apparent missed delay of game call.

It's a non-call that you do see now and then.

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Rarely against the Skins Matty. When that clock goes 0 it goes 0, no excuses. As a matter of fact they got Washington on one yesterday ! I just remembered. It is missed from time to time but that's one that I hardly ever see missed.

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When it goes to zero it doesn't mean it's actually zero though, that's not the official time.

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Yeah I understand it's not official, I'm just saying how often have you watched a game and you see that clock go to zero and the flag isn't thrown? I feel like it was a blown call but I understand things do happen.

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[quote=Mattyk72;261488]In their defense the official time is kept on the field so there could have been a discrepancy between what we saw on TV and what the official time actually was on the apparent missed delay of game call.

It's a non-call that you do see now and then.[/quote]
Last year in the Chicago-Carolina playoff game, Rex Grossman threw an INT when the snap clearly came after the play clock expired. Chicago fans were crying afterward that their team wasn't flagged for delay of game. That brings up a point - might a team be able to challenge non-calls for delay of game if one of the end zone cameras can catch both the play clock and the snap of the ball? Between that non-call, the line judge missing Brees's illegal forward pass (initially), and the umpire eating his flag when Andre Carter got tackled from behind by a Saints O-lineman, I was wondering about this crew giving the Saints more than their share of a home-field advantage.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;261587]That brings up a point - might a team be able to challenge non-calls for delay of game if one of the end zone cameras can catch both the play clock and the snap of the ball? [/QUOTE]
I swear I've seen something like that before, but maybe I'm thinking of a basketball game or something.

Matty- if the refs have the offical time on the play clock, can't you also run into situations where the clock in the stadium reads :01, or more, but the refs blow the play dead for delay of game? I would think that would also happen quite frequently, especially considering the fact that I feel like the clock hits :00 at least once a game, which I remember happening at least twice in our game against Jax.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;261588]I swear I've seen something like that before, but maybe I'm thinking of a basketball game or something.

Matty- if the refs have the offical time on the play clock, can't you also run into situations where the clock in the stadium reads :01, or more, but the refs blow the play dead for delay of game? I would think that would also happen quite frequently, especially considering the fact that I feel like the clock hits :00 at least once a game, which I remember happening at least twice in our game against Jax.[/quote]

Good point, I'm really not sure. I guess only the stadium clock runs fast. ;)

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we won, and we cry if the refs call this crap on us. i would rather they let us play. good teams win regardless of the reffing