Skins Victim of Tough Division?
 

1-4 in the division. The division appears likely to send 2 wildcard teams and the division leader. If the Skins are in another division, they are 7-7 or 6-8 like every other team in the NFC that's not the Bears?

Could be a positive harbinger for next year, that the team isn't as bad as it seems.

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No, we were supposed to be able to compete with the NFC East this year.

Losses to Tampa Bay (easily the worst of the year), Minnesota, and Tennessee really set the tone for the season.

Winning those would put us at 8-6 and right in the thick of the playoff race.

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Minnesota, Tennessee, Tampa aren't in our division and we couldn't beat them.

The sad thing is with a couple more wins we could be right in there. The NFC sucks. I thought maybe Dallas or the Saints were good, but looks like they're not. The Bears are the only semi-decent team in the NFC.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;261640]Minnesota, Tennessee, Tampa aren't in our division and we couldn't beat them.[/QUOTE]

Right. That backs up my contention that it wasn't the NFC East that "victimized" us this year.

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MAYBE if we were in the NFC West, we'd have another win or two. MAYBE.


I can't blame the schedule on this one. Even looking at the Falcons/Eagles games, we clearly outplayed those teams and lost the past two weeks. It is what it is.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;261649]MAYBE if we were in the NFC West, we'd have another win or two. MAYBE.


I can't blame the schedule on this one. Even looking at the Falcons/Eagles games, we clearly outplayed those teams and lost the past two weeks. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]

I don't know that we "outplayed" the Falcons. For the first quarter maybe, but they outplayed us for the following three.

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All I can say is that the schedule will be a bit more favorable next season. We'll be playing the NFC North and AFC East next year. We'll be playing some dogs like the Lions and Packers as well as dogs at the bottom of the NFC South and NFC West from this season. [url=http://www.redskins.com/news/0309schedules.jsp]Washington Redskins[/url]

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There is a bright side to finishing last int the division, Easy Schedule next year!

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[quote=brent;261627]1-4 in the division. The division appears likely to send 2 wildcard teams and the division leader. If the Skins are in another division, they are 7-7 or 6-8 like every other team in the NFC that's not the Bears?

Could be a positive harbinger for next year, that the team isn't as bad as it seems.[/quote]


Just an excuse. We lost to Tampa Bay, Minnesota at home, Tennessee at home, and Philly without McNabb at home.

They have no one to blame but themselves.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;261744]Just an excuse. We lost to Tampa Bay, Minnesota at home, Tennessee at home, and Philly without McNabb at home.

They have no one to blame but themselves.[/quote]

I think saying without McNabb is unfair becuase although Garcia is their number 2 he has won 3 straight. Also forgot ATlanta tho we should have beat them off easily witha 14 point lead

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[quote=Redskin;261746]I think saying without McNabb is unfair becuase although Garcia is their number 2 he has won 3 straight. Also forgot ATlanta tho we should have beat them off easily witha 14 point lead[/quote]

Shoulda coulda woulda. If they handle their business at home against mediocre teams, they are in the post season.

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We've struggled in the division since our two patsie games took flight when the Cardinals were moved to the west. Those were two games we could just about count on every year. No patsie's left in the east now, we have to earn it.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;261652]I don't know that we "outplayed" the Falcons. For the first quarter maybe, but they outplayed us for the following three.[/QUOTE]

You're probably right. I was thinking more along the lines of "running at will" on those teams. You dont see teams lose too many football games where they rush the ball as well as we did against Atlanta/Philly. Philly I thought we outplayed, but I do agree w/ you on Atlanta.

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You have to look within before you look without. Other teams have nothing to do with the problems the Skins are having this season. The blame lies with player injuries and execution, and coaching. It's quite evident that the coaching staff and the players are not on the same page. I imagine it has to do something with the new playbook. I hope next season is a different story.

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tough divison i think not...the brain trust choose to play games on offense instead of playing redskin football.

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I cannot remember a time when the division was more ripe for the taking..............we didn't have it

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We need to do two things more this year before I will feel we are ready for next year.
1. Score TDs when we get in the red zone.
2. Win the turnover battle the next two games.

Our defense has come on, our running game is working, we are getting solid pass protection, and we are taking shots downfield. We are real close to being exactly where we thought we could be this year at this time. With two more wins, we may have been ready for a playoff run.

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The skins are a victim of bad coaching and Sunday's game vs the Saints proves it in spades. They won on Sunday in spite of the coaching and had they been better coached throughout the season may actually be in the playoff race.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;261744]Just an excuse.
They have no one to blame but themselves.[/quote]
this about sums it all up. excuses are for losers

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The division is a lame excuse.

We lost more than our share of winnable games this year and that's why we're 5-9.

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The division isn't any tougher than it usually is. The Skins just have to man up and win the games they are supposed to.

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None of the other teams in the division is especially impressive. Dallas looks to be the best of the bunch at the moment and they have major holes- I don't see them getting past the first round.

Good teams win no matter what division they are in- that's what makes them good teams.

I think the NFC as a whole is the weak sister conference anyway. The Bears are pretty formidable (at least defensively) but the AFC probably has 4-5 teams that are as good or better.

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This seems almost like it's been a down year for the NFC East and if we were playing like the end of last season we should have taken it pretty easily.

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The Philadelphia Eagles are the only team in our division that we have a lifetime winning percentage against. We have consistently struggled against both the Giants and Cowboys through the years. As I said before, the now Arizona Cardinals (since removed from our division) are the only other team we have a winning percentage against. I'm viewing us being victims of a tough division over a period of time, not just the last few years.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;261817]The division is a lame excuse.[/QUOTE]

Too right. We have played like crap for most of the season and I doubt we'd be in contention in any division. It's not as the the rest of the NFC East is even that strong either. Our record is a fair reflection of how good we are, not how tough the division is.

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Hey, at least we beat the Cowboys this season. That always counts for something!

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[quote=brent;261627]1-4 in the division. The division appears likely to send 2 wildcard teams and the division leader. If the Skins are in another division, they are 7-7 or 6-8 like every other team in the NFC that's not the Bears?

Could be a positive harbinger for next year, that the team isn't as bad as it seems.[/quote]

the NFC east is not a tough division. giants have derailed, cowboys are erratic, the eagles are coming on strong (but have jeff garcia), and the skins are and should be bringing up there rear...

we do seem to get up for bigger games (Jax, Carolina- who is bad right now, and the Saints- who probably overlooked us a little bit). while the NFC east has a storied past, it is by no means a "killer" division.

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[QUOTE=marius;261897]Too right. We have played like crap for most of the season and I doubt we'd be in contention in any division. It's not as the the rest of the NFC East is even that strong either. Our record is a fair reflection of how good we are, not how tough the division is.[/QUOTE]


This year is just one of the many, the history does not lie.

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;261899]Hey, at least we beat the Cowboys this season. That always counts for something![/QUOTE]

3 out of last 4 against the Cowboys as a matter of fact!

Bottom line is we lost winnable games (Minnesota, Tennessee, Atlanta, Philly) because we weren't good enough.. Forget the excuse about a tough division, Dallas, Philly and the Giants had to play in the same division but their only exception is they got to play US and get 4 wins so far among them.

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the division or schedule or anything of that sort.

The team did not play well this year. Plain and simple.

Sadly, we played so poorly, we couldn't get in the playoffs in a down year for the NFC.

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The fact that we arent in the most pathetic playoff chase in recent nfc history after all the high hopes that began this season is soooo depressing. The teams we have beaten compared to the teams we have lost to eliminates the argument that we were screwed by scheduling. We have played with no consistency this year and on many Sundays it wouldnt have mattered who we were playing. The NFC East should have been ours for the taking this year. I refuse to believe that it was a tough division regardless of how many teams we send to the playoffs.

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[quote=saden1;261787]You have to look within before you look without. Other teams have nothing to do with the problems the Skins are having this season. The blame lies with player injuries and execution, and coaching. It's quite evident that the coaching staff and the players are not on the same page. I imagine it has to do something with the new playbook. I hope next season is a different story.[/quote]


You forgot to add player personelle decisions to the list....

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skins lost all the games they should have won,the vikings,the titans,the eagles,the falcons.hopefully,they can learn to play every game like they did at new orleans last week.all i want for xmas is to beat the rams,and just beat the ever loving piss out of the giants and mr ed last game!

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Skins Victim of Tough Division?

Victim no way . It is tough but because of that I thought everyone would end up 3-3. There are only Losers and Winners in pro football.