Casserly Keeping his options open
 

Interesting read on Charley Casserly and what he is up to. Doubt he will ever come back to Redskin Park but according to Shapiro he lives back in DC now and did not get the NFL position he was seeking....

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/19/AR2006121900495.html?nav=hcmodule]Casserly Keeping His Options Open - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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I just read this too, good post. I don't see him comin back, but this article shows how our front office lacks contacts & networking w/in the league, IMO, and CC at least did a good job of finding out about players. If he were here we wouldn't have signed AA.

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Didn't Casserly draft Heath Shuler?

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[quote=jsarno;261968]Didn't Casserly draft Heath Shuler?[/quote]

I'd blame that on Norv.

It was a lose/lose that year anyway, it was either Shuler or Dilfer.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;261970]I'd blame that on Norv.

It was a lose/lose that year anyway, it was either Shuler or Dilfer.[/QUOTE]

Shuler or a superbowl champion?????? :D

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[quote=jsarno;261968]Didn't Casserly draft Heath Shuler?[/quote]

You can't 2nd guess that one. Everyone had Dilfer and Shuler as can't misses at the time.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;261974]Shuler or a superbowl champion?????? :D[/QUOTE]

That's true, but it's also ture that Dilfer is the prime example used in the arguement that a team doesn't need a good QB to win a Superbowl.

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Take a look at this link of the 1994 draft...there were PLENTY of big players on that list, but that might have been the worst QB draft year of all time.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1994]NFL.com - Draft History[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;261970]I'd blame that on Norv.

It was a lose/lose that year anyway, it was either Shuler or Dilfer.[/quote]

Quite true. I am a huge SEC fan and I think if you asked anyone who followed the SEC if Heath Shuler was going to be a good pro they would have said yes.

What the current front office does not do is somehing I wish someone at Redskin Park would be able to pull off was the trade Casserly made with Mike Ditka when we got all the draft picks from the Saints - absolute steal.

But I don't see Gibbs working with any GM as he wants to prove to everyone that holding down both the coach and GM positions can work.

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[quote=Bill B;261980]
What the current front office does not do is somehing I wish someone at Redskin Park would be able to pull off was the trade Casserly made with Mike Ditka when we got all the draft picks from the Saints - absolute steal.[/quote]

A trade like that would only happen again is if Ditka came back to coach.

Nobody is that crazy to give away so much, that one fell into our laps.

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[quote=Mattyk72;261984]A trade like that would only happen again is if Ditka came back to coach.

Nobody is that crazy to give away so much, that one fell into our laps.[/quote]


You have to give Casserly some props for making that happen though.

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Casserly can be pegged w/some bad picks, as most gm's can. Shuler was not a bad pick, he just didn't turn out to be the player we'd hoped, there's a big difference. You can only draft guys based on their past & their potential. Shuler had big upsides w/both, w/no history of off field problems. That he didn't become a solid pro qb is for many reasons, but I bet the vast majority of GMs at the time had him rated high. Same w/Desmond Howard, good guy, good teamate, never became a star (except his SB MVP).
I would go so far as to say that Norv screwed up Shuler's confidence by opting for Frerotte, when in that preseason they were neck and neck. Shuler had a lot more upside.
Bad draft picks & personel decisions happen when teams take players that have a history they DIDN'T find out about, whether it's a bad knee or rap sheet.

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Bill B. = Casserly.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;261990]Bill B. = Casserly.[/quote]


You figured it out!

Actually I am not saying get Casserly tommorow - I just prefer the team hire a competent GM with a good long term vision of building through the draft and picking up a good free agent or two to compliment the mix.

I think you would agree like most on the board that Vinny Cerrato is not that person as he left the 49ers in shambles and his track record here is not something to brag about.

How many teams in the NFL would bring in Vinny Cerrato as their main personelle man? Maybe the Lions as Matt Millen is awful. Other than that I thnk most teams would take a pass on him and tell Cerrato he can get his online gig at ESPN he used to have.

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[quote=freddyg12;261964]I just read this too, good post. I don't see him comin back, but this article shows how our front office lacks contacts & networking w/in the league, IMO, and CC at least did a good job of finding out about players. If he were here we wouldn't have signed AA.[/quote]
Please explain what you mean, how it shows our FO lack of contacts and networking. That makes no sense. How do you know that he would not have done the AA deal if he was here? Did you speak with him? He was mainly fired from Houston which has won even less games than us over the years so what says he could even help us if not maybe hurt us?

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I would totally keep Vinny out of this. Don't the coaches make all the personnel decisions? Everyone is always, "GM! WE NEED A GM!!!!!!!" So we almost struck out in our FA acquisitions this year, so what? Overall, Gibbs and staff have made overwhelmingly positive decisions with regard to the draft and free agency. Sure we let Pierce and Smoot go, but would a GM have prevented that from happening? I think our talent evaluation is fine save for the Archuleta signing.

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[quote=Mattyk72;261970]I'd blame that on Norv.

It was a lose/lose that year anyway, it was either Shuler or Dilfer.[/quote]

Dilfer won the Superbowl... or at least he didn't lose it.
The only thing Shuler won was a congressional seat (complete failure :)).

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Did not Charlie spearhead the effort to draft Mario Williams, and pass up Vince Young, Reggie Bush, and Matt Leinart?

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To his credit, it could be said that they didn't need a QB or RB, but then the season starts, Carr tanks and Davis gets hurt. Who woulda' seen that coming?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;262000]I would totally keep Vinny out of this. Don't the coaches make all the personnel decisions? Everyone is always, "GM! WE NEED A GM!!!!!!!" So we almost struck out in our FA acquisitions this year, so what? Overall, Gibbs and staff have made overwhelmingly positive decisions with regard to the draft and free agency. Sure we let Pierce and Smoot go, but would a GM have prevented that from happening? I think our talent evaluation is fine save for the Archuleta signing.[/quote]
How good is our current scout system?

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Pretty good in my opinion. While I do think we tend to focus more than we should on players in FA, our drafting hasn't not been bad by any means.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;262000]I would totally keep Vinny out of this. Don't the coaches make all the personnel decisions? Everyone is always, "GM! WE NEED A GM!!!!!!!" So we almost struck out in our FA acquisitions this year, so what? Overall, Gibbs and staff have made overwhelmingly positive decisions with regard to the draft and free agency. Sure we let Pierce and Smoot go, but would a GM have prevented that from happening? I think our talent evaluation is fine save for the Archuleta signing.[/quote]

I figured it out:
Malcolm = Vinny C

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Can you really argue with that though? TAFKAS mentioned a while ago and I totally agree that if we signed a GM even as a figure-head, people would be totally satisfied.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;262006]Pretty good in my opinion. While I do think we tend to focus more than we should on players in FA, our drafting hasn't not been bad by any means.[/quote]

Totally agree

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;262003]To his credit, it could be said that they didn't need a QB or RB, but then the season starts, Carr tanks and Davis gets hurt. Who woulda' seen that coming?[/quote]

Can't deny that either.......hindsight

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;262000]I would totally keep Vinny out of this. Don't the coaches make all the personnel decisions? Everyone is always, "GM! WE NEED A GM!!!!!!!" So we almost struck out in our FA acquisitions this year, so what? Overall, Gibbs and staff have made overwhelmingly positive decisions with regard to the draft and free agency. Sure we let Pierce and Smoot go, but would a GM have prevented that from happening? I think our talent evaluation is fine save for the Archuleta signing.[/quote]

Sure we've made some good decisions but we've made some real boneheaded FO decisions over the last couple years. These decisions make nfl scouts around the league laugh at our FO. More importantly, these decisions have deteriorated our team IMO. Just look at a couple examples:
TJ Duckett and losing a 3rd rounder
Giving up 2 draft choices for LLoyd
AA signing for huge $ when scouts league wide knew he could cover
Thinking Brunell is a starter in this league for the last 3 years

There's a couple more-just can't think of them right now.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;261968]Didn't Casserly draft Heath Shuler?[/QUOTE]

If I recall right, Casserly wanted Shuler and Galloway. Norv wanted Dilfer and Westbrook. So they basically compromised

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[quote=Bill B;261986]You have to give Casserly some props for making that happen though.[/quote]

How many SuperBowl trophies did we collect with all those extra draft picks anyway?

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[quote=redsk1;262014]Sure we've made some good decisions but we've made some real boneheaded FO decisions over the last couple years. These decisions make nfl scouts around the league laugh at our FO. More importantly, these decisions have deteriorated our team IMO. Just look at a couple examples:
TJ Duckett and losing a 3rd rounder
Giving up 2 draft choices for LLoyd
AA signing for huge $ when scouts league wide knew he could cover
Thinking Brunell is a starter in this league for the last 3 years

There's a couple more-just can't think of them right now.[/quote]


Don't forget the Skins may have to swap 1st rounders with Denver for the Duckett deal if Denver keeps losing and we keep winning. If not the Redskins will also give up a 4th rounder to Denver for the Duckett transaction.
Another to add to the list - trading a 3rd rounder for Brunnell when he was going to be cut shortly thereafter.
How about giving up a 6th rounder for James Thrash - don't laugh but a guy by the name of Colston on the Saints was drafted in the 6th round and he could have been our answer instead spending the picks on of Llyod.
Outside of the draft pick issue, the bonuses the Redskins are giving out to players has been quite high to say the least. I saw AA laughing all the way to the bank - even if we cut him after this year he is still guranteed to pull in $10 million - pretty good for being captain of the punt team if you ask me.

I will say the Betts contract was pleasantly surprising. Lets see if they go back to their old ways and break the bank for Dockery.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;262017]How many SuperBowl trophies did we collect with all those extra draft picks anyway?[/quote]


So you wouldn't have made that deal?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;262009]Can you really argue with that though? TAFKAS mentioned a while ago and I totally agree that if we signed a GM even as a figure-head, people would be totally satisfied.[/QUOTE]

This just in, Washington names computer guru Ben Hartless as General Manager. He'll have nothing to do with the team's personnel decisions, but Hartless gets to use the custom title General Manager. Redskins Nation rejoices. Chants of "About damn time...now we're legit," echoed throughout the land.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;261990]Bill B. = Casserly.[/quote]

LOL! I'm such a helmet, I thought you were saying Casserly was Bill Bixby.

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[quote=TAFKAS;262026]This just in, Washington names computer guru Ben Hartless as General Manager. He'll have nothing to do with the team's personnel decisions, but Hartless gets to use the custom title General Manager. Redskins Nation rejoices. Chants of "About damn time...now we're legit," echoed throughout the land.[/quote]

AND I can now Google myself! Thanks TAF!

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[quote=TAFKAS;262026]This just in, Washington names computer guru Ben Hartless as General Manager. He'll have nothing to do with the team's personnel decisions, but Hartless gets to use the custom title General Manager. Redskins Nation rejoices. Chants of "About damn time...now we're legit," echoed throughout the land.[/quote]

And Vinny Cerrato, Dan Snyder and I will walk down the halls of Redskins Park, arm-in-arm singing 80s metal. Oh, the good ol' days have begun!

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[quote=Bill B;262022]So you wouldn't have made that deal?[/quote]

Of course I would have made that deal. It was simply rhetoric implying that a large number of draft choices do not make a Super Bowl champion. What we do or have done with our draft choices is based on poor talent evaluation by both a GM and our coaches. Since the early 90's I can remember more busts or non-contributing draft choices than quality starters that the Redskins have drafted. That's not to say the latter is really less than the former, it's just my own recollection.

I don't know if any changes since 1992 have been made as far as how college level talent is evaluated. It doesn't seem to me that having a GM or the Coach make those decisions really matters either way. Someone needs to learn how to get it right or at least better.

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[quote=firstdown;261999]Please explain what you mean, how it shows our FO lack of contacts and networking. That makes no sense.[/quote]

I didn't understand that take either.

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I do think that there is some "luck" involved w/ the draft process. Maybe luck is a little strong. Are you telling me that Bill B and the Patriots thought Tom Brady was going to win, what 3 super bowls, and go on to be one of the top qb's of all time? I'm not so sure.

At the time most "experts" thought it was a toss up b/n Ryan Leaf and Manning. Who knew?

The list goes on. There is not a formula that's out there sometimes it's just a little luck involved. Teams that can consistently draft high quality players (for the most part) that can fit their system have my respect.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;262033]Of course I would have made that deal. It was simply rhetoric implying that a large number of draft choices do not make a Super Bowl champion. What we do or have done with our draft choices is based on poor talent evaluation by both a GM and our coaches. Since the early 90's I can remember more busts or non-contributing draft choices than quality starters that the Redskins have drafted. That's not to say the latter is really less than the former, it's just my own recollection.

I don't know if any changes since 1992 have been made as far as how college level talent is evaluated. It doesn't seem to me that having a GM or the Coach make those decisions really matters either way. Someone needs to learn how to get it right or at least better.[/quote]

Wouldn't building a team with the focus on free agents instead of the draft impede the teams ability to build continuity due to the salary cap when high priced free agents salaries escalate out of control whereas a drated player (outside of high first round picks) come relatively cheap.

Also aren't draft picks taken in the lower rounds more hungry to prove themselves versus someone who gets a $10 millin bonus (AA ring a bell?)

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;262000]I would totally keep Vinny out of this. Don't the coaches make all the personnel decisions? Everyone is always, "GM! WE NEED A GM!!!!!!!" So we almost struck out in our FA acquisitions this year, so what? Overall, Gibbs and staff have made overwhelmingly positive decisions with regard to the draft and free agency. Sure we let Pierce and Smoot go, but would a GM have prevented that from happening? I think our talent evaluation is fine save for the Archuleta signing.[/quote]


I respectfully completely disagree. "So we almost struck out in our FA acquisitions this year, so what?" Well, we are now just an estimated 1 million under the cap for next year and we once again traded our picks out like they were candy! 3rd rounder for Brunnell, who was gonna be cut. 2 picks for Lloyd, throw in a 2nd rounder along with Champ for Portis, trade picks to move up to take Rocky McIntosh, let go of a pretty good safety to sign AA to the richest contract in NFL history for a safety.....C'MON!!! Enough is enough. No one even talks about Patten anymore, another bust for the money. Barrow. Anyone remember him? What a contributor. A good GM utilizes the draft, and fills holes here and there with FA. A good GM would not have given draft picks away like passifiers at a Phish show.