Bill Parcells is overrated!!!
 

Bill Parcells gets all this press for being a great coach, but the man hasn't done squat since he parted ways with Bellichick. I hate to hear these uninformed supposed sports experts gush all over Parcells when he hasn't won a playoff game since 1998. Parcells couldn't carry Joe Gibbs jockstrap. Gibbs is a far superior coach even though it has been a tough season this year. In 15 years this will be only Gibbs 3rd losing season, in 19 seasons Parcells has five. Gibbs has a 17-6 playoff record while Parcells is only 11-7. I think there's only one active coach on Gibbs level and that would have to be the aforementioned Bellichick, who's not even close to Gibbs when it comes to class and professionalism.

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yea but what has gibbs done lately?

i still love gibbs, not bashing him

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[quote=dall-assblows;263797]yea but what has gibbs done lately?

i still love gibbs, not bashing him[/quote]

He's won a playoff game since 1998, how about that?

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they are very similar in my eyes, both not doing so hot in there 2nd stints

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[quote=dall-assblows;263800]they are very similar in my eyes, both not doing so hot in there 2nd stints[/quote]

This is Parcells fourth stint I believe.

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you get what i mean

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Both are great coaches, and Parcells has been one the few coaches to get the better of Gibbs throughtout their career. I love our coach too but he needs to be more hands on like Parcells, and not just delegate to the many assitant head vice-sub coaches that we have.

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I remember early this year that Gibbs said that our coaching staff is one of the hardest working in the league........Hmmm, not so much in my opinion. These guys at times look lost and unprepared at crucial times.

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what does overrated mean in your eyes? not winning the super bowl? all i know is i wouldn't take anyone over coach Gibbs, but if he were to retire, and parcells wanted to take over, i would be happy. and as far as bellichek, don't get me started. he was going no where fast in new england until drew bledsoe gets hurt. and he wasn't even thinking about making a qback change. and the rest, as they say, is history. how well did he do with the talent less browns? its all about the players, my friend

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc;263809]I remember early this year that Gibbs said that our coaching staff is one of the hardest working in the league........Hmmm, not so much in my opinion. These guys at times look lost and unprepared at crucial times.[/QUOTE]

They stay late and try hard, they just haven't seen the results.

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[quote=dmek25;263811]what does overrated mean in your eyes? not winning the super bowl? all i know is i wouldn't take anyone over coach Gibbs, but if he were to retire, and parcells wanted to take over, i would be happy. and as far as bellichek, don't get me started. he was going no where fast in new england until drew bledsoe gets hurt. and he wasn't even thinking about making a qback change. and the rest, as they say, is history. how well did he do with the talent less browns? its all about the players, my friend[/quote]

Even good players made Barry Switzer look like an NFL genius. You can be the greatest coach in the world, but if you haven't got the players then you're probably going nowhere. There isn't a season that proves that point more than this one. What I was saying with the Parcells is overrated thing is that he's hyped up like he's the greatest coach ever not named Lombardi, but his last playoff victory was in 1998 with the Jets. The media gushes all over Parcells but have seemed to forgotten just how great Gibbs was and what he can still bring to the table. I think it's probably because Parcells likes to draw attention to himself (just watch his press conferences) and Gibbs is humble and respectful. At least that's one factor to it.

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I've been saying that about Parcells for years.. Yes he won 2 Super Bowls so I'll give due respect for that, but his record isn't standout and he hasn't won a playoff game in over 10 years. Parcells gets all that pub for 2 simple reasons, he is a great soundbite/media favorite and he coached in the areas where he can maximize his media exposure (NYG, NYJ, NE-ESPN's backyard and Dallas). If he coached the Seahawks, Chiefs, Browns and Titans and had the same record and same presence he would be regarded as a good coach but nowhere revered as he is now.

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[quote=Paintrain;263829]I've been saying that about Parcells for years.. Yes he won 2 Super Bowls so I'll give due respect for that, but his record isn't standout and he hasn't won a playoff game in over 10 years. Parcells gets all that pub for 2 simple reasons, he is a great soundbite/media favorite and he coached in the areas where he can maximize his media exposure (NYG, NYJ, NE-ESPN's backyard and Dallas). If he coached the Seahawks, Chiefs, Browns and Titans and had the same record and same presence he would be regarded as a good coach but nowhere revered as he is now.[/quote]

Excellent post! Great Points!

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A few things...

1. No question Parcells is a "personality" in addition to being a great coach. He's charismatic in his own weird way, a reliable quote, and the press eats it up. This has a lot to do with why they fawn over him.

2. This in no way makes him "overrated". Bill Parcells won two Super Bowls with the Giants (with two different QBs), took the Patriots to another, and had the Jets in the AFC title game one year.

3. Parcells owns Gibbs in head-to-head meetings. This isn't my opinion, it's a demonstrable fact. He holds a solid edge in their lifetime meetings, is 1-0 in playoff meetings, and is the only coach ever to beat Gibbs three times in one season.

Coaches that have won more than one Super Bowl: Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Tom Flores, Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, George Seifert, Bill Walsh, Mike Shannahan, Bill Belichick. Not exactly a pool of mediocrity.

Coaches who have won the Super Bowl with more than one different starting quarterback: Gibbs (3), Parcells (2), George Seifert (2).

Coaches who have taken more than one team to the Super Bowl: Don Shula, Parcells, Dick Vermeil, Dan Reeves.

The Super Bowl has been around for 40 years. If Parcells is so overrated, how come these lists aren't longer? Why is his name the only one which appears on all three lists?

Plus if people are going to rip Parcells for having done so little without Belichick, you also have to acknowledge that Gibbs is a rather timid 20-26 without the vastly underrated Ritchie Petitbon.

Parcells is one of the greats; I really can't see saying he's "overrated".

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[quote=dmek25;263811]what does overrated mean in your eyes? not winning the super bowl? all i know is i wouldn't take anyone over coach Gibbs, but if he were to retire, and parcells wanted to take over, i would be happy. and as far as bellichek, don't get me started. he was going no where fast in new england until drew bledsoe gets hurt. and he wasn't even thinking about making a qback change. and the rest, as they say, is history. how well did he do with the talent less browns? its all about the players, my friend[/quote]He cut Bernie Kosar for throwing a TD off a sandlot play.

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[quote=GTripp0012;263850]He cut Bernie Kosar for throwing a TD off a sandlot play.[/quote]
he probably should have given him a raise.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;263795]Bill Parcells gets all this press for being a great coach, but the man hasn't done squat since he parted ways with Bellichick. I hate to hear these uninformed supposed sports experts gush all over Parcells when he hasn't won a playoff game since 1998. Parcells couldn't carry Joe Gibbs jockstrap. Gibbs is a far superior coach even though it has been a tough season this year. In 15 years this will be only Gibbs 3rd losing season, in 19 seasons Parcells has five. Gibbs has a 17-6 playoff record while Parcells is only 11-7. I think there's only one active coach on Gibbs level and that would have to be the aforementioned Bellichick, who's not even close to Gibbs when it comes to class and professionalism.[/quote]


I love Joe, but i think he's outsourced his job...which means i think he's lost confidence in himself. He brought in Williams and Saunders- both excellent coaches, now we hear we need a GM...leaving Gibbs to do what???

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[quote=dmek25;263811]what does overrated mean in your eyes? not winning the super bowl? all i know is i wouldn't take anyone over coach Gibbs, but if he were to retire, and parcells wanted to take over, i would be happy. and as far as bellichek, don't get me started. he was going no where fast in new england until drew bledsoe gets hurt. and he wasn't even thinking about making a qback change. and the rest, as they say, is history. how well did he do with the talent less browns? its all about the players, my friend[/quote]
If you rate coaches this way then Gibbs is at the bottom at this time. Bellicheck has done a great job getting his players to play over their potential. The guy has to get credit for what he has done.

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I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call the tuna overated, he's got a great track record including his current team. For all of their recent problems, Dallas has a lot going for it & Parcells built that D, which should be pretty good for at least a few more years. It is hard to ignore that his team has been blown out in their last 2 big games at home.
My only gripe w/the media is that Parcells got so much credit for an overachieving team that made the playoffs in his 1st year w/dallas, yet it seemed Gibbs did not recieve much praise for taking the Skins to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year.
I think it's simply because of Snyder & his cool relationship w/the press. Plus Gibbs doesn't give them many forthright and direct answers, whereas Parcells is full of sound bites as a few here have mentioned.

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Gibbs always will be my favorite coach of all time, but this year Parcells will be in the playoffs.

Gibbs' three-year record during his second act is nearly the same as the Marty/Spurrier years:

Gibbs is 21-26 in the regular season since his return; Washington's record over the previous three seasons was 20-28.

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[quote=Twilbert07;263899]Gibbs always will be my favorite coach of all time, but this year Parcells will be in the playoffs.

Gibbs' three-year record during his second act is nearly the same as the Marty/Spurrier years:

Gibbs is 21-26 in the regular season since his return; Washington's record over the previous three seasons was 20-28.[/quote]

The difference is that Gibbs got us to the playoffs & won a game, hadn't happened since the Norv era in 99-00.

He's my favorite of all time too, and we'll be back in the hunt soon.

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[quote=freddyg12;263906]

He's my favorite of all time too, and we'll be back in the hunt soon.[/quote]
i agree

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I'm not saying Parcells is highly overrated, his record speaks for itself. But lately his performance hasn't matched the media's hype of him. My post was meant to be more of referendum on the press who fawns and gushes all over him, but seem to have forgotten Gibbs great and superior track record.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;263947]I'm not saying Parcells is highly overrated, his record speaks for itself. But lately his performance hasn't matched the media's hype of him. My post was meant to be more of referendum on the press who fawns and gushes all over him, but seem to have forgotten Gibbs great and superior track record.[/quote]


I think the press has been doing Gibbs a favor as far as this goes. Despite last year's playoff win, Gibbs II has been a major disappointment thus far- double digits in the loss column two of three years. I love Gibbs but with 26 losses in his last 47 games, as opposed to Parcells 3 winning seasons in four years with Dallas, I'm glad the press isn't comparing him to Parcells at the moment.

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[quote=The Huddle;263840]A few things...

1. No question Parcells is a "personality" in addition to being a great coach. He's charismatic in his own weird way, a reliable quote, and the press eats it up. This has a lot to do with why they fawn over him.

2. This in no way makes him "overrated". Bill Parcells won two Super Bowls with the Giants (with two different QBs), took the Patriots to another, and had the Jets in the AFC title game one year.

3. Parcells owns Gibbs in head-to-head meetings. This isn't my opinion, it's a demonstrable fact. He holds a solid edge in their lifetime meetings, is 1-0 in playoff meetings, and is the only coach ever to beat Gibbs three times in one season.

Coaches that have won more than one Super Bowl: Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Tom Flores, Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, George Seifert, Bill Walsh, Mike Shannahan, Bill Belichick. Not exactly a pool of mediocrity.

Coaches who have won the Super Bowl with more than one different starting quarterback: Gibbs (3), Parcells (2), George Seifert (2).

Coaches who have taken more than one team to the Super Bowl: Don Shula, Parcells, Dick Vermeil, Dan Reeves.

The Super Bowl has been around for 40 years. If Parcells is so overrated, how come these lists aren't longer? Why is his name the only one which appears on all three lists?

Plus if people are going to rip Parcells for having done so little without Belichick, you also have to acknowledge that Gibbs is a rather timid 20-26 without the vastly underrated Ritchie Petitbon.

Parcells is one of the greats; I really can't see saying he's "overrated".[/quote]


great to hear someone who respects a person for the accomplishment, not just bash the guy for coaching an arch rival. To say Parcells is over rated is just crazy. the guy is a great coach...period!

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[quote=freddyg12;263906]The difference is that Gibbs got us to the playoffs & won a game, hadn't happened since the Norv era in 99-00.

He's my favorite of all time too, and we'll be back in the hunt soon.[/quote]

Good point. It just sucks having gotten back to the playoffs and then regressing so quickly. I have faith that Joe will get us back to the NFC Championship game - or more - next year.

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[quote=#56fanatic;263999]great to hear someone who respects a person for the accomplishment, not just bash the guy for coaching an arch rival. To say Parcells is over rated is just crazy. the guy is a great coach...period![/quote]

I'm not bashing him for coaching an arch rival (although it doesn't help), I just think as of late he's been more of a showman than great coach. There's no denying he did a great job in New York (Giants and Jets) and New England. However, the press fawns all over him yet he hasn't won a single playoff game since 1998. For all of Gibbs stuggles thus far in his comeback attempt at least he's been able to win at least one!

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For all you sensitive people out there I think both Gibbs and Parcells are two of the all-time great coaches the league has ever seen. Now you can stop whining about me being unfair to Mr. Parcells! Have a Happy New Year!

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parcells is UNDERRATED,not overated.he's beaten gibbs more times than he has lost,even beat gibbs 3 straight games in 1986.the only reason you see him so much is because he plays for the cowgirls,and has a talking dummy for a boss!

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Parcells is clearly over rated...the media is to intimidated by him to criticise him. He undresses the media in public every week...he has them all in line. He has accomplished less then Gibbs in one extra season in Dallas yet receives no criticism for it.

Gibbs by contrast is a mild mannered gentleman who talks down his own accomplishments and would never undress a reporter in public...this makes him an easy target.

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Only Tony Dungy can compare to the class act that Joe Gibbs is. Like I've said before, he's just as good of person as he is football coach. I bet he couldn't believe it when the idiot down in Atlanta Jim Mora Jr. was openly pleading for the University of Washington job or when Belichick was caught having an affair with a married woman. The NFL needs more class acts like Gibbs.

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[quote=freddyg12;263894]
My only gripe w/the media is that Parcells got so much credit for an overachieving team that made the playoffs in his 1st year w/dallas, yet it seemed Gibbs did not recieve much praise for taking the Skins to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year.
[/quote]
are you deaf?

Greg Williams took all of Gibbs mojo during last year. There was sooooo much talk about the defense of Greg Williams and "hes so good he will probably be a headcoach some where next year." Gibbs didnt have anything to do with the defense only the struggling offense.

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[QUOTE=Blue Star;264566]are you deaf?

Greg Williams took all of Gibbs mojo during last year. There was sooooo much talk about the defense of Greg Williams and "hes so good he will probably be a headcoach some where next year." Gibbs didnt have anything to do with the defense only the struggling offense.[/QUOTE]

Then why does Tony Dungy get any credit when Indy wins a game? He has nothing to do with any of their wins.

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[quote=celts32;264574]Then why does Tony Dungy get any credit when Indy wins a game? He has nothing to do with any of their wins.[/quote]

says who? Its more like Peyton does than Dungy.

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[QUOTE=Blue Star;264576]says who? Its more like Peyton does than Dungy.[/QUOTE]

Peyton is resposible for every Indy win. All Dungy does is stand there and watch...the only thing he had his hands in is their awful defense. Yet he gets credit for doing a good job.

Gibbs is held to a higher standard and is criticised at every opportunity. He has accomplished more in one less season in Washington than Parcels has in Dallas yet Parcels is praised for the job he does while Gibbs is percieved as tarnishing his legacy. it makes no f-in sense to me.