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What are we doing hanging people in this day and age? I just don't get the whole capital punishment deal. Pretty barbaric if you ask me.

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i dont think this is going to change a whole lot. probably make the violence worse

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The pope probably said it best.

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what did he say?

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Ironic how the thread title is Saddamn (Sad, Damn...for those who didn't pick up on it)

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well, it was pretty barbaric what that monster did to many many innocent men, women and children over the years.. I can see both sides of the fence on this issue about capital punishment, and ultamiatley I feel like there are crimes commitited that deserve no less than death. If it were up to me I would put to death EVERY single child molester and child pornographer that is caught and proven guilty, and before the next sunrise I might add. And there are other crimes I believe justify the death penalty. At the rate our countrys less desireables keep filling our prisons we have to in my mind speed up the process on the ones sentenced to death. Sitting on death row for 10+ years?? give me a break. I like the 30 day policy. Anyway like it or not thats my 2 cents. Have a great New Year everybody and be safe.

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[quote=Mattyk72;264751][URL="http://www.thestar.com/News/article/166499"]TheStar.com - News - SADDAM HANGS[/URL]

[B][U]What are we doing hanging people in this day and age[/U][/B]? I just don't get the whole capital punishment deal. Pretty barbaric if you ask me.[/quote]

dude, it's iraq. they are years behind the times

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First, regardless of your views on capital punishment, you have to admit that Saddam Hussein should not be treated as just another death row inmate. He deserves a very public, humiliating, and cruel execution (given his horrific crimes, I don't think that's off base).

Secondly, Matty, don't say "what are WE doing hanging people this day in age." It's not we, as in the Americans are not hanging him. We caught him, but Iraq tried him, Iraq convicted him, Iraq sentenced him, and Iraq executed him. The US didn't hang him. It's their thing, do what they wanna do, we can't tell them who to sock it to.

Thirdly, I'm all for capital punishment. I'm not interested in paying taxes to feed death row inmates here in the states for the rest of their lives. I'm not religious; I have no moral problem with killing someone who, left to their own devices, would kill again.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;264804]First, regardless of your views on capital punishment, you have to admit that Saddam Hussein should not be treated as just another death row inmate. He deserves a very public, humiliating, and cruel execution (given his horrific crimes, I don't think that's off base).

Secondly, Matty, don't say "what are WE doing hanging people this day in age." It's not we, as in the Americans are not hanging him. We caught him, but Iraq tried him, Iraq convicted him, Iraq sentenced him, and Iraq executed him. The US didn't hang him. It's their thing, do what they wanna do, we can't tell them who to sock it to.

Thirdly, I'm all for capital punishment. I'm not interested in paying taxes to feed death row inmates here in the states for the rest of their lives. I'm not religious; I have no moral problem with killing someone who, left to their own devices, would kill again.[/QUOTE]

I think he means "we" as a people in whole, and I heard it costs more in legal court rooms to execute then put someone in jail for the rest of their lives.

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[B]Pope Benedict XVI's top prelate for justice issues, Cardinal Renato Martino, took a similar tack, noting Saddam's execution punishes "a crime with another crime ... the death penalty is not a natural death."[/B]

I guess it wasn't the pope that said it, but nevertheless.

At any rate.
I saw this getting political from a mile away.

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[QUOTE=Duffman003;264809]I think he means "we" as a people in whole, and I heard it costs more in legal court rooms to execute then put someone in jail for the rest of their lives.[/QUOTE]

Not if they are executed in thirty days. When courts allow appeals based on non-evidenciary old issues (i.e. not new evidence, or problems with the original trial), then the costs skyrocket. My father was a judge, and I could relay stories from a death penalty trial he had that would curl your hair (the accused trying to have witnesses killed from jail, some of whom were family members). This person was a threat to others while in custody, and showed zero remorse. Why would a civilized society allow him access to potential victims?

There are some crimes and some criminals that are beyond rehabilitation.

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[quote=RobH4413;264810][B]Pope Benedict XVI's top prelate for justice issues, Cardinal Renato Martino, took a similar tack, noting Saddam's execution punishes "a crime with another crime ... the death penalty is not a natural death."[/B]

I guess it wasn't the pope that said it, but nevertheless.

At any rate.
I saw this getting political from a mile away.[/quote]

what a moron. haha jk rob u no i love u.

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he killed thousands apon thousands. he deserved to die. im sorry if you don't agree.


it should of been more painful........

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[quote=Schneed10;264804]


Thirdly, I'm all for capital punishment. I'm not interested in paying taxes to feed death row inmates here in the states for the rest of their lives. I'm not religious; I have no moral problem with killing someone who, left to their own devices, would kill again.[/quote]
i totally agree with this

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I personally dont care how much it cost to execute someone vs. life in prison. As it was said it dont cost too much if they get it done in 30 days or less. And inmates still have access to anything and everything they had on the streets. They can still harm people. I must sadly admit I have a family member whos been in prison for over ten years who had the misfortune of being involved in a 3 person fight and one ended up dead.The dead guy was trying to rob the other two. And I can tell you its easy to get things into prison.Guards will do anything for the right amount of $$.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;264822]he killed thousands apon thousands. he deserved to die. im sorry if you don't agree.


it should of been more painful........[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. The man, if u could even call him that, instructed the ruthless torture and slaughter of thousands of people. I'm normally a pretty laid back guy but when it comes to the death penalty I strongly believe in what it is and agree with Schneed that it needs to have a much shorter time limit between end of the trial stage and the actual execution. People that make the conscious(sp?) decision to take another person's life especially in an extremely violent manner, raping multiple people especially children, and other equally atrocious crimes deserve very little, if any, compassion in my personal opinion.

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[quote=Schneed10;264804]First, regardless of your views on capital punishment, you have to admit that Saddam Hussein should not be treated as just another death row inmate. He deserves a very public, humiliating, and cruel execution (given his horrific crimes, I don't think that's off base).

Secondly, Matty, don't say "what are WE doing hanging people this day in age." It's not we, as in the Americans are not hanging him. We caught him, but Iraq tried him, Iraq convicted him, Iraq sentenced him, and Iraq executed him. The US didn't hang him. It's their thing, do what they wanna do, we can't tell them who to sock it to.

Thirdly, I'm all for capital punishment. I'm not interested in paying taxes to feed death row inmates here in the states for the rest of their lives. I'm not religious; I have no moral problem with killing someone who, left to their own devices, would kill again.[/quote]

I meant we as in human beings.

It's just a shame really... killing him isn't going to right the many wrongs he committed, it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

Thou shall not kill shouldn't have exceptions.

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I think of it not as killing but removal of something that no longer deserves to be here.

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[quote=Schneed10;264804]
Thirdly, I'm all for capital punishment. I'm not interested in paying taxes to feed death row inmates here in the states for the rest of their lives. I'm not religious; I have no moral problem with killing someone who, left to their own devices, would kill again.[/quote]
It costs a lot more to execute someone than it does to keep them in jail for a lifetime

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;264751][url=http://www.thestar.com/News/article/166499]TheStar.com - News - SADDAM HANGS[/url]

What are we doing hanging people in this day and age? I just don't get the whole capital punishment deal. Pretty barbaric if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

Pretty barbaric to kill that guy? Come on. Sickening to believe someone would even believe that.

More barbaric practices are legally and willingly carried out every day within our own borders.

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[quote=Mattyk72;264845]Thou shall not kill shouldn't have exceptions.[/quote]

Dang, we done gone and went political now. Thou shalt not kill was a commandment listed in the Bible, supposedly handed down by God.

You're suggesting that we legislate religion, which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

Maybe you meant that killing is just wrong from a moral sense, regardless of what religion you subscribe to. If so, then your point is a little easier to swallow, just poor choice of words I guess.

Either way though, religion should stay out of it altogether. If it's a moral issue, I guess I have different morals. There are circumstances in which killing is OK in my book (not many, but there are some).

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if you take someones life, your life should be taken from you.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;264886]It costs a lot more to execute someone than it does to keep them in jail for a lifetime[/quote]

Not in Saddam's case where he went right to the execution. Here in the states you are right, because the death row convicts appeal time after time, taking up costly death row cells for years and commanding the time of judges and court staff.

But then you consider how our prisons are overcrowded already, and how keeping someone in jail for life just takes up space in the prisons. There's a bit of a trickle-down effect.

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Let me go on the record and say I think we, America, executed Saddam.
Yes, he was hung in Iraq by Iraqis, but his blood is on our hands.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;265191]Let me go on the record and say I think we, America, executed Saddam.
Yes, he was hung in Iraq by Iraqis, but his blood is on our hands.[/QUOTE]

So? 6 feet under is a good place for him.

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I think the hanging is stupid, bc getting jailed for life would be a worst penalty. And this is just going to cause more sectarian violence, which is the last thing Iraq needs.

Terrible.

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[quote=hooskins;265216]I think the hanging is stupid, bc getting jailed for life would be a worst penalty. And this is just going to cause more sectarian violence, which is the last thing Iraq needs.

Terrible.[/quote]
Sadamm still had supporters who could break him out of jail, and whos to say the terrorists wouldent do it to make a statement against america. Dead is where he with his gay lover Satan.

Also about the death penalty, when you are messed up in the head enough to kill someone for fun or without remorse i highly doubt that jail will be any great punishment to you. Death penalty can also give closure to families and friends who might not just feel safe with a maniac behind bars.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;264886]It costs a lot more to execute someone than it does to keep them in jail for a lifetime[/quote]

So what? whats your point? This argument is used all the time and #1 I just dont believe it and #2 dont give a shit. You kill, you die. It just needs to be a quicker process.

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[quote=12thMan;265191]Let me go on the record and say I think we, America, executed Saddam.
Yes, he was hung in Iraq by Iraqis, but his blood is on our hands.[/quote]

Why dont you expand on that thought for me please.

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[quote=12thMan;265191]Let me go on the record and say I think we, America, executed Saddam.
Yes, he was hung in Iraq by Iraqis, but his blood is on our hands.[/quote]


MMM SADDAM BLOOD BATHE IN IT BATHE IN IT YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!

I dont get this post yea we cought him pulled him out of hiding declared war on him so what if we got him killed however indirectly we didnt kill him and even if we did who cares were talking about saddam not the pope.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;264845]Thou shall not kill shouldn't have exceptions.[/QUOTE]

The actual commandment is "Thou shall not commit murder". [I]Generally[/I], and from a legal standpoint, state authorized killing (as in war or the death penalty) is not considered "murder" but rather justified homicide. IMO, "Thou shall not kill" is one of those over generalizations of judaeo/christian wisdom that is simply wrong. If necessary, I guarrantee you I will use deadly force to defend my wife and child and, so long as I do so appropriately, I do not believe that God will view me as a sinner or that the State will punish me as a murderer. Thou shalt not kill has many exceptions that, traditionally, have been acceptable to both the state and most religions.

I am on the fence about the death penalty and believe that the circumstances dictate its use. I oppose the death penalty when it is being used for mainly vengence but, when it is truly being used as penalty considered to be just for the crime committed, the death penalty can be appropriate. The question (and area for incredible disagreement) always is whether or not a killing is being made for vengence or justice.

In this case, while individuals are seeking vengence against Saddam, the State of Iraq is (hopefully) saying: Your gross misuse and abuse of power that led to the killing of thousands (perhaps millions) of innocents entrusted to your care demands that you be killed - not to avenge their deaths but as a statement to the world and to all future rulers of Iraq that they will be held accountable for their actions.

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I tried creating a political thread once....once.

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All of you that are in support of the death sentence are totally forgetting about how this is just gonna cause more sectarian violence...political leaders get treated differently..period that is how it is...no one gets hanged nowadays bc it is barbaric and as a civilization we have moved beyond that..even tho the criminal may have been barbaric.

Yeah it isnt fair, but he should have gotten a different judgement, if the court system in place was not based on anger and retaliation this would not happen. He should not have been killed...only exacerbates the problem.

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Hooskins is right - it will exacerbate the problem. That said, the fundamental differences between the Shia and the Sunni are so deep and so rooted in hate right now, I don't know that anything is going to make it better. However, this does give the Sunni an "excuse" to kill more Shia, but they were probably going to do that anyway.

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[quote=onlydarksets;265271]Hooskins is right - it will exacerbate the problem. That said, the fundamental differences between the Shia and the Sunni are so deep and so rooted in hate right now, I don't know that anything is going to make it better. However, this does give the Sunni an "excuse" to kill more Shia, but they were probably going to do that anyway.[/quote]

This is exactly right. These two groups are similar to the Palestinians and Israelis in how deeply rooted their hatred is. They're in civil war. Saddam's execution may fan the flames for a brief period, but in the end, they're simply looking to kill each other because they hate one another.

And whether or not this will increase sectarian violence should not be a reason to not execute Saddam. If anything, Iraq needs a sense of justice and order. You kill thousands in cold blood, you get the death penalty. People need to see justice being served or they're going to totally lose faith in the Iraqi government altogether.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;265266]I tried creating a political thread once....once.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Nice, very nice.

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If ladell doesn't fumble... Shit, wrong thread.

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[quote=Schneed10;265165]Dang, we done gone and went political now. Thou shalt not kill was a commandment listed in the Bible, supposedly handed down by God.

You're suggesting that we legislate religion, which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

Maybe you meant that killing is just wrong from a moral sense, regardless of what religion you subscribe to. If so, then your point is a little easier to swallow, just poor choice of words I guess.

Either way though, religion should stay out of it altogether. If it's a moral issue, I guess I have different morals. There are circumstances in which killing is OK in my book (not many, but there are some).[/quote]

I meant it in a moral way of speaking, I'm not trying to get all religious because believe me, I'm about as non-religious as you can get.

I just don't think killing in any manner should be justified.

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And all they are really fighting about is the ammount of virgins they get when they see the pearly white gates.

IMHO

Should build a giant electric wall around the middle east and close them off from the rest of the world untill one group finally wins, then we can open the middle east back up untill the winning group has a civil war on how to where your turban properly.

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[quote=Redskin;265418]And all they are really fighting about is the ammount of virgins they get when they see the pearly white gates.

IMHO

Should build a giant electric wall around the middle east and close them off from the rest of the world untill one group finally wins, then we can open the middle east back up untill the winning group has a civil war on how to where your turban properly.[/quote]

wow...pretty ignorant statement right there.