Redskins vs. NCAA
 

Just had a buddy IM me and say that the Skins would lose to OSU. Of course, that's the most insane thing I've ever heard anyone say and I know we've had discussions about it in other threads, but wanted to go ahead and start one of it's own.

I told him that the best NCAA team on it's best day could not beat the worst NFL team on it's worst day.

Anyone have any ideas to the contrary?

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The best college team could probably hang with and compete with the worst NFL teams, but I still think the NFL team would win out the majority of the time.

There's just so much more preparation and attention to detail in the pros vs. college.

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They could run up the gut on the college team 75 times in a row just due strength size and speed, and there would be nothing the college team could do about it. Just that mere fact would take care of any other questions.

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That's what I'm saying Matty and Zimmermans. I want to use everything in this thread to tell him to F off. He's like, "Well size doesn't mean anything when it comes to preparation." He acts like even teams like the Raiders don't prepare.

The fact of the matter is, they're ALL NFL PLAYERS. Even the best schools don't field an entire team of players going in the draft, much less kids who will be starters for NFL teams.

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This is an argument that comes up from time to time when people see a dominate college team and compare them to a weak NFL team. The theory is they are soooo good, they could beat an NFL franchise.

No way, no how could a college team beat an NFL team. Just for the sake of pride, they would never let it happen. It's hard enough for a rookie quarterback behind an NFL line with NFL receivers and running backs behind him to adjust to the spead of the game. I can't imagine that times 11?

I think any NFL team is at least 3 or 4 touchdowns better than a college team.

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I mean the worst player on any pro roster was probably one of the best (top 3 or 4) players on his college team. The talent differential is just too great

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EVERYONE in the NFL is fast. The game is played at an entirely different speed. The best college teams still only have a handful of guys who are fast enough to get drafted into the NFL. There's a reason the option never shows up in the pro game. LBs and safeties are WAY too fast for it to work.

Take OSU. Yeah, I'd love to see Troy Smith read an NFL defense and try to attack it with his college offense, especially when trying to run the option. Put him up against any NFL team. Raiders? Asumughwawawawawa would pick him 9 times. Lions? Dre Bly. Cards? Adrian Wilson.

TMC, sounds like your buddy needs to watch more football. Either that or stick to figure skating.

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Also consider the concentration of coaching. Let's take DeWayne Walker, for instance, he was our defensive back coach. He's UCLA's defensive coordinator. Point being, there are more 'specialists', if you will, preparing and focusing on each position 'up here', as Joe Gibbs would say. Where as in college you have a lot of generalists.

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[quote=Schneed10;266150]EVERYONE in the NFL is fast. The game is played at an entirely different speed. The best college teams still only have a handful of guys who are fast enough to get drafted into the NFL. There's a reason the option never shows up in the pro game. LBs and safeties are WAY too fast for it to work.

Take OSU. Yeah, I'd love to see Troy Smith read an NFL defense and try to attack it with his college offense, especially when trying to run the option. Put him up against any NFL team. Raiders? Asumughwawawawawa would pick him 9 times. Lions? Dre Bly. Cards? Adrian Wilson.

TMC, sounds like your buddy needs to watch more football. Either that or stick to figure skating.[/quote]

Shit, let his boy sign up on Warpath. We'll whip him into shape pretty quick!

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My thoughts on this subject...


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :vomit:

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My college roomate swore on his mother's grave that the Miami Hurricanes Championship team could have beaten the bengals of that year. We would get in physical fights over the discussion when we started drinkin. His argument was that players like Mcgahee and sean taylor were better college players than many of the bengals current NFL players were. I disagreed, but it really is scary how many of the Miami starters went on and dominated in the NFL.

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[quote=Schneed10;266150]EVERYONE in the NFL is fast. The game is played at an entirely different speed. The best college teams still only have a handful of guys who are fast enough to get drafted into the NFL. There's a reason the option never shows up in the pro game. LBs and safeties are WAY too fast for it to work.

Take OSU. Yeah, I'd love to see Troy Smith read an NFL defense and try to attack it with his college offense, especially when trying to run the option. Put him up against any NFL team. Raiders? Asumughwawawawawa would pick him 9 times. Lions? Dre Bly. Cards? Adrian Wilson.

TMC, sounds like your buddy needs to watch more football. Either that or stick to figure skating.[/quote]

Yeah, but he's also a guy who pops boners over college football, that's HIS sport. Even USC with Bush, Leinart, White and the rest probably couldn't even score on Detroit or Oakland.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;266168]Yeah, but he's also a guy who pops boners over college football, that's HIS sport. Even USC with Bush, Leinart, White and the rest probably couldn't even score on Detroit or Oakland.[/quote]

Yeah definitely not. Guys like Shaun Rogers and Derrick Burgess would ravage the best college offensive lines.

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I'll see if I can get him to sign up and read this. He's a pretty "smart" sports conversationalist except on this. I'd love to know how he'd refute everyone.

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I'd love to see a college defensive line try to maul with any NFL offensive line, especially the really good ones.

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See, all the above are good points. He keeps saying that a system can beat "physique" any day. Normally I'd agree with that, except in this case, it's so lopsided, the NFL would just destroy the college teams.

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Total BS! Although, I would love to see OSU against an NFL (casually dismissing the Skins) team. What's one of the things you most often hear from rook's. They cannot believe how good EVERYBODY is???? Because on every college team they played against, they had to contend with one, maybe two guys as good as EVERY GUY in the NFL! No contest

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Here's an excerpt from our conversation going on right now:

"Friend: college atheletes are so much different then they were 10 years ago
Friend: hell look at Adrian Peterson...
MalcolmANDJemima: adrian peterson r unning behind an NFL line is different than him running behind a college line
Friend: when he was a Freshman, he could have started for any team in the NFL and have ran for 1200 yards...he is and was a physical specimen
Friend: you cant coach speed and vision

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;266181]I'll see if I can get him to sign up and read this. He's a pretty "smart" sports conversationalist except on this. I'd love to know how he'd refute everyone.[/QUOTE]

Ok, who are you talking to seriously? Gmanc711 or Daseal?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;266197]Here's an excerpt from our conversation going on right now:

"Friend: college atheletes are so much different then they were 10 years ago
Friend: hell look at Adrian Peterson...
MalcolmANDJemima: adrian peterson r unning behind an NFL line is different than him running behind a college line
Friend: when he was a Freshman, he could have started for any team in the NFL and have ran for 1200 yards...he is and was a physical specimen
Friend: you cant coach speed and vision[/quote]

I think I'm putting Friend on "The List".

TAFKAS, you've worked your way off. AMD stays for now and nothing dgack can do will ever get him off.

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It would, quite literally, be a game of boys v. men, professionals v. amateurs:

NFL players range from 22-32ish and, from a purely physical standpoint, live to play football and play football to live.

The only classes Pros attend are football classes. They spend their weeks studying for the next game and the only exams they need worry about are those that occur on Sunday.

Nobody graduates from the NFL - NFL teams don't have to replace whole sections of their squad every year. Rarely, even in a "rebuilding year" will you see an entire NFL line or the majority of the skill positions be replaced. In contrast, every NCAA team loses its best players every year.

Combined with the continuity, the timing and precision required to be even a mediocre NFL offense would make any NFL offense simply unstoppable to an NCAA defense.

Finally, ask your friend this - Does he think the best High School team in america could beat the worst Division IA school? If not, why not?

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After reading Friend's statements, I have this question for him - Could Adrian Peterson, on a high school team beat an NCAA team?

I would love to hear his response to that one

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;266197]Here's an excerpt from our conversation going on right now:

"Friend: college atheletes are so much different then they were 10 years ago
Friend: hell look at Adrian Peterson...
MalcolmANDJemima: adrian peterson r unning behind an NFL line is different than him running behind a college line
Friend: when he was a Freshman, he could have started for any team in the NFL and have ran for 1200 yards...he is and was a physical specimen
Friend: you cant coach speed and vision[/quote]


Sure, it's possible he could run for 1200 yds as a rookie. That's not the point. Could he do so behind OU's line against an NFL line? That's the question. Another thing. When a quarterback get's to the NFL, he has to retool his technique in order to be a good NFL quarterback, not a good college quarterback. And the same is true for every single position. The techniques have to be coached up at offensive line, defensive line, cornerback and so forth.

It took Reggie Bush most of the season to adjust to the blocking and speed of the NFL. He would constantly get caught inside and would try to depend on that USC speed to get him outside. It wasn't until then end of the season that he had his first one hundred yard game.

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[quote=TAFKAS;266204]Ok, who are you talking to seriously? Gmanc711 or Daseal?[/quote]

I'm betting it's Joe Crisp

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TAF: I know. It's my only friend outside of them. :( LOL
724Skinsfan: HAHA. Stupid Friend.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;266149]I mean the worst player on any pro roster was probably one of the best (top 3 or 4) players on his college team. The talent differential is just too great[/QUOTE]
I agree with TAFKAS, I mean even on the best college teams there are only a handfull of players that will make in in the NFL. Take OSU, lets say that 8 members from their starting Offense and Deffense make it in the NFL. That would mean that the OSU team would have 8 would be's total going up against a 53 man roster that is in the NFL...

Now, I know that OSU could have more than 8 starter make in the NFL but I was just using it for an example...

Each college team has NFL talent but every NFL team is full of talent...

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double post.

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Just pasted a lot of that to him, he's "Typing..." and he's been doing it for like five minutes now.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;266228]Just pasted a lot of that to him, he's "Typing..." and he's been doing it for like five minutes now.[/QUOTE]

This ought to be good. I await his rebuttal to joyfully smash it into smithereens and reduce his feeble argument to "could to!"

I am sure others are waiting just as eagerly.

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HAHAHAHAHA. He's like, "Well, that person is probably a dumbass." He didn't have anything to say.

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didnt tennesee win the national championship with tee martin at quarterback? come on, like stated before, it would be men against boys.

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Friend: that guy is apparently a tool
Friend: and a dumbass
Friend: i can spit a lot of shit that makes me sound smart

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and what about maurice clarett? college all american that couldnt even make the broncos. ryan leaf? heath shuler? the list goes on and on

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College teams have few players with NFL speed, where as every NFL team is full of players with NFL speed...

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You can't even name a college head coach that jumped straight into the Pros and was successful??

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Yeah, I think it's case closed. He's all flustered now and is just asking me if I've seen those pictures of Britney's cooch and of course I told them that those were SO three weeks ago.

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[quote=Mattyk72;266137]The best college team could probably hang with and compete with the worst NFL teams, but I still think the NFL team would win out the majority of the time.

There's just so much more preparation and attention to detail in the pros vs. college.[/quote]
Sorry Matty, but I have to disagree. The Best college team would lose by 30 points to the worst pro team. The very best college team might have 10 or 12 players at the most good enough to continue at the pro level. The worst NFL team would win EVERY time.

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[quote=SouperMeister;266266]Sorry Matty, but I have to disagree. The Best college team would lose by 30 points to the worst pro team. The very best college team might have 10 or 12 players at the most good enough to continue at the pro level. The worst NFL team would win EVERY time.[/quote]

The only reason I leave the door open a crack to a college team being able to compete is that anything can happen. Injuries and turnovers are the x-factor that would give a college team a chance.

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See, I agree with SouperMeister and the rest. Unless they played a "Little Giants"-like game full of trickery, I would even go so far as to say the third stringers for an NFL team would beat the best college team.

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man law?