Gregg Williams Here We Go Again.
 

Its 5 pages long.:censored:

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[QUOTE]But Pierce became a free agent two years ago and left for the New York Giants in part, some around the team believe, because Williams thought he was expendable. One coach with knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution said he doesn't believe Williams told Redskins owner Daniel Snyder that Pierce was irreplaceable. Had he done so, the coach said, Snyder probably would have matched the Giants' offer. [/QUOTE]

Blame GW for our defense sucking.

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I think its interesting that Canfora did NOT write the Gregg Williams article. He has been pretty critical of GW, I wonder if he can't get the interview.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;266435]I think its interesting that Canfora did NOT write the Gregg Williams article. He has been pretty critical of GW, I wonder if he can't get the interview.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's a big issue. JLC only wrote first of this series of article, Howard Bryant wrote the second. So it seems like they all split head writing responsibilities on this project.

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I am lost. All of these articles have my head swimming. I can't decide what the hell is wrong. I am left wondering if every team in this league has basically similar issues?

I would guess so. We are talking about people here and people are all the same. Not that every person is the same but a group of people is going to be made up of parts similar to the parts of another likesize group usually. So interpersonal relationships and management issues like this can't be unique to the Skins.

Again I am lost.

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I've been ragging on our D constantly this season. This article actually made me feel a little better about the situation. I like GW a lot. I think he can turn it around. He's been phenomenal in 2 out of his 3 seasons. But ditch the cover 2....

On a side note, I read the article on Saunders yesterday and this article on GW today, and something is bothering me. Why are the Skins players and assistants, on conditions of anonymity, airing our dirty laundry in the media? That's typically not like a Gibbs team. I don't like it. It was more evident in the Saunders article, then I heard Portis today on the John Thompson show. Why are we running our mouths all of a sudden??

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I thought it was a pretty sympathetic article, all things considered. Sounds like maybe this guy has gotten burned by the media on more than one occasion.

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[quote=GMScud;266444]I've been ragging on our D constantly this season. This article actually made me feel a little better about the situation. I like GW a lot. I think he can turn it around. He's been phenomenal in 2 out of his 3 seasons. But ditch the cover 2....

On a side note, I read the article on Saunders yesterday and this article on GW today, and something is bothering me. Why are the Skins players and assistants, on conditions of anonymity, airing our dirty laundry in the media? That's typically not like a Gibbs team. I don't like it. It was more evident in the Saunders article, then I heard Portis today on the John Thompson show. Why are we running our mouths all of a sudden??[/quote]

When the building is burning down do you tell everyone or just close your eyes and hope that it goes away?

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;266463]When the building is burning down do you tell everyone or just close your eyes and hope that it goes away?[/quote]

Close you eyes and use that magic baby

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do we have any of that magic left? why not have these guys start acting like professionals? say the same old clichés that everyone else uses, and don't rock the boat

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Another good article. It helps shed some light on Gregg Williams the man. I like his take that you don't go from being right to being wrong and you don't go from being a good coach to not knowing anything.

I think with personnel he's made some poor decisions and because he had so much success in 2004 with a bunch of no-names he probably got a little full of himself and his scheme. 2006 was a wake up call for everyone.

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This seemed like they didn't have enough material for 5 pages, so they made it all novel-like - almost as though a fiction writer would introduce the protagonist in a book.

The insights into Gregg's personality were all great, but I hope there's a follow up piece with specifics on what went wrong defensively. These references to "a lack of talent" and "Saunders' offense getting off the field too quickly" seem like lame excuses.

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[quote=Mattyk72;266485]Another good article. It helps shed some light on Gregg Williams the man. I like his take that you don't go from being right to being wrong and you don't go from being a good coach to not knowing anything.

I think with personnel he's made some poor decisions and because he had so much success in 2004 with a bunch of no-names he probably got a little full of himself and his scheme. 2006 was a wake up call for everyone.[/quote]

Exactly right. You don't suddenly forget how to coach football, just as guys like Marcus Washington didn't suddenly forget how to play football.

We definitely have a fractured locker room right now, which Grilliams may have contributed to, and it's a big problem. But he can still scheme and coach with the best of them. What will make or break him will be his ability to get the players to buy in again.

With such a divide in the locker room, I think the team needs some of the players to step up and be leaders, bring them all together. The team's players like Portis, Jansen, Sellers, and Marcus Washington need to step up and support the coaches, and lead the rest of the team to buy back in.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;266435]I think its interesting that Canfora did NOT write the Gregg Williams article. He has been pretty critical of GW, I wonder if he can't get the interview.[/quote]
Canfora was on either Brian Mitchell's radio show or Czaban's Yesterday, I can't remember which one, but he said that the recent articles had kinda been group projects. And when he spoke about the article that he wrote he said that Bryant and Carpenter deserved just as much credit at as him. So, I'm guessing that they all kinda did research together, tossed around ideas together, and helped each other out.

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A lack of talent I'll buy, it's clear we need some major upgrades, but the offense getting off the field too quick I don't.

Maybe early in the season, but later on when we were really pounding the rock the main problem offensively was the inability to punch it in.

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[I]Archuleta was so bad a fit he was yanked from the starting squad in the middle of drills one day in November. Troy Vincent trotted out to replace him and Archuleta barely saw the field in ensuing weeks. [B]And nobody has ever told him why, he said.[/B][/I]

Haha, this is my favorite part of the article. I got no problems with Arch, he was a bad fit for the team, but we're the ones who offered to pay him so much money to come here. Plus, he didn't punk out during the season and cause a huge distraction like so many other pro players would have done in his situation. But Adam, why the hell do you think you were benched? Do you really not know? Everyone who has watched you play for the Redskins knows why you got benched, and you don't? Gregg Williams didn't tell me why you got benched and I still know why, because it's blatantly obvious why you don't play, you couldn't cover a drunk sumo wrestler staggering down the field after participating in a hot dog eating contest!!!! I mean, I do believe that Williams should have spoken to him and tried to help him fix the problem. But come on man, you coulda quit bitchin, shown some initiative and gone to Williams youself and asked him!!!! Plus, it's not a mystery why you got benched in the first place!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;266495]A lack of talent I'll buy, it's clear we need some major upgrades, but the offense getting off the field too quick I don't.

Maybe early in the season, but later on when we were really pounding the rock the main problem offensively was the inability to punch it in.[/quote]

Agreed, that's the only part of the article that lacked some explanation. I would've liked to hear more about the tuna's comments & what exactly he meant by them. There is obviously an impact on a D by the way the O plays but our D broke down in about every way possible.

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Its worth noting the Rams defenses were always mediocre to terrible in part because of the high-flying Saunders offense. This clearly doesn't play to the strengths of the Skins, who were a defensive team last year and not built for scoring races (even if perhaps someone thought they were).

I think the problem here is really boiling back to the "Real Redskin" problem. Where Gibbs might have been loyal to a fault to Brunell, it sounds like defensively the team has demonstrated 0 loyalty to anyone on defense, treating them all as replacable. Even top performing defensive players have been pushed out the door. The Redskins have run out of pegs to put in round holes, and it sounds like Williams loves to shove squares into round holes with all of his might. Worse, it seems like they can't cajole players into overperforming anymore because the team lacks credibility on how it has treated defensive players in the past 3 years.

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Greg Williams the coach is just as good as he was a year ago when this board was having a collective hissyfit at the thought of him taking the Rams head coaching job.

However, Greg Williams the talent evaluator needs to be fired. Our coaching staff as a whole has to much say in personel. They are all good coaches but none have proven to be worth a damn as front office types.

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[quote=GMScud;266444]I've been ragging on our D constantly this season. This article actually made me feel a little better about the situation. I like GW a lot. I think he can turn it around. He's been phenomenal in 2 out of his 3 seasons. But ditch the cover 2....

On a side note, I read the article on Saunders yesterday and this article on GW today, and something is bothering me. Why are the Skins players and assistants, on conditions of anonymity, airing our dirty laundry in the media? That's typically not like a Gibbs team. I don't like it. It was more evident in the Saunders article, then I heard Portis today on the John Thompson show. Why are we running our mouths all of a sudden??[/quote]
I respect Portis for standing behind what he says instead of hiding behind a reporter with anonymous quotes. Portis is an outspoken guy, and that's part of the price of having him on your team. Remember his first year when he complained about the other team knowing the plays? That said, Portis is a warrior and his hard-nosed play sets the tone for others. Betts has definitely risen his game by competing with him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;266495]A lack of talent I'll buy, it's clear we need some major upgrades, but the offense getting off the field too quick I don't.

Maybe early in the season, but later on when we were really pounding the rock the main problem offensively was the inability to punch it in.[/quote]
In both Philly losses, the defense allowed the Eagles to grind out the final 8 minutes and the final 5 minutes, when a quick stop would have given the Skins a chance to win. The Skins had one of the worst 3rd down defenses I've seen in a long time. That needs to be addressed. I agree, blaming the offense for quick possessions is very weak.

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I found interesting the portion of the article where he spoke of the prospect of being a head coach at some point in time again. How he was blindsided by Gibbs with the hiring of Al Saunders, because he had no idea that was his actual intention. He had mentioned to him, if he was/or became a head coach again, he would consider hiring Saunders as his offensive coordinator, and before he knew what was happening, it was a done deal. It appeared striking that Gibbs hadn't seemed to have given it a lot of thought.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;266767]I found interesting the portion of the article where he spoke of the prospect of being a head coach at some point in time again. How he was blindsided by Gibbs with the hiring of Al Saunders, because he had no idea that was his actual intention. He had mentioned to him, if he was/or became a head coach again, he would consider hiring Saunders as his offensive coordinator, and before he knew what was happening, it was a done deal. It appeared striking that Gibbs hadn't seemed to have given it a lot of thought.[/QUOTE]

I think Gibbs was completely joking when he said to Williams "I picked him because of what you said" I think that Gibbs had it in the works for a while. Remember how back in late November/early December of 2005 Gibbs made a comment about how Dan (Snyder) has agreed to do something that I will know hurt him financially but is good for the team? I think it was then that Gibbs convinced Snyder to open his wallet for Saunders (assuming he became available)

That said, I also think Williams' endorsement helped because Gibbs probably thought "Well Gregg is my successor here, it'd be good to hire someone he would want here as well"

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;266770]I think Gibbs was completely joking when he said to Williams "I picked him because of what you said" I think that Gibbs had it in the works for a while. Remember how back in late November/early December of 2005 Gibbs made a comment about how Dan (Snyder) has agreed to do something that I will know hurt him financially but is good for the team? I think it was then that Gibbs convinced Snyder to open his wallet for Saunders (assuming he became available)

That said, I also think Williams' endorsement helped because Gibbs probably thought "Well Gregg is my successor here, it'd be good to hire someone he would want here as well"[/QUOTE]



You're probably right because it wouldn't be "Gibbs Like" to make a hasty decision. I had forgotten about the comment Gibbs had made earlier, but now that I do, it all comes together. I'm hoping that between now, and the coming season, Gibbs and Saunders can work out what seems to be a minor glitch in how they're going to coexist when it comes to the playcalling.

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we did have some key injuries on Defense this year and that does contribute heavily. when springs is out the game is off. The D worked way to hard early in the season also dut to poor offense. GW was brought to the skins because he has a history of good defense. Every one expects the skins to be awesome all the time and if not, rebuild and replace. That has actually been the skins biggest problem for many years running.