Broncos interested in Portis?
 

it was reported in today's denver post that the broncos are interested in Ricky willaims and the possiblity of bringing back Clinton portis

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Get ready for the "link please" onslaught. In fact, I'll start:

Link please?

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Link Please. I think alot of teams would be interested in Portis but it probably stops there.

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It's about half-way down...


[url=http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_4969516]DenverPost.com - Time to add hired help[/url]

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It's nothing more than the Denver papers picking up on the rumors that were floating around last week about the Skins possibly shopping Portis.

[URL="http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4964458"]Portis on trade block[/URL]
January 7
Denver Post: "There is speculation the Redskins might trade running back Clinton Portis. With backup Ladell Betts emerging and Portis' expensive contract, the Redskins may want to move Portis, but it will be difficult."

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[url=http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4969516]DenverPost.com - Time to add hired help[/url]

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I think the skins would have a hard time trading CP. He older, dinged up and costs a lot of $. Thats the kind of player the skins love but most teams shy away from those types of players.

If the skins could unload CP I'd love to see them get a bunch of draft picks.

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Thanks for the links.

Wasn't Portis unhappy in Denver anyway? Didn't they maintain he wasn't worth what he was asking? I thought that bridge was a pile of ashes at this point.

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This is nothing more than pure speculation. Its a writer throwing out possibilities even if they are remote. Everybody thinks that just b/c Betts had a great year that all of a sudden we're not going to need CP.

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[quote=irish;268329]I think the skins would have a hard time trading CP. He older, dinged up and costs a lot of $. Thats the kind of player the skins love but most teams shy away from those types of players.

If the skins could unload CP I'd love to see them get a bunch of draft picks.[/quote]

He's only 25.

Age isn't the issue, his contract is.

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[QUOTE=irish;268329]I think the skins would have a hard time trading CP. He older, dinged up and costs a lot of $. Thats the kind of player the skins love but most teams shy away from those types of players.

If the skins could unload CP I'd love to see them get a bunch of draft picks.[/QUOTE]

Me too, but it won't happen. And age might not be the issue, but his mileage is.

Not only that, when Gibbs came back, he brought along two, personally hand-picked guys to build a winning franchise. We saw what it took for him to admit that one of those guys, Mark Brunell, had seen better days. Portis was the guy he was right about. So why would he get rid of him, when it took heaven and earth for him just to bench Brunell?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;268331]Thanks for the links.

Wasn't Portis unhappy in Denver anyway? Didn't they maintain he wasn't worth what he was asking? I thought that bridge was a pile of ashes at this point.[/QUOTE]

Well, that is misleading. Portis had a signed contract for another year at the low (relatively speaking) salary he signed as a rookie. He felt he deserved a new contract, the Broncos felt they signed him to a contract already so he should have honored it. I think the Broncos did the right thing. I get sick of players trying to renegotiate their contracts.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;268333]He's only 25.

Age isn't the issue, his contract is.[/QUOTE]

I know he's only 25 but he's been in the league what 5 years. Thats a longtime. The contract is the key issue but combined with the mileage on his body and the fact that he's dinged makes him a hard sell.

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It's funny how the Portis rumors and speculation are starting to come up now.

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He's not going anywhere.

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Objectively speaking, what is Portis worth to the rest of the league?

I mean, I know how we as fans see him -- face of the franchise, worth two #1 picks... blah, blah.

I can't help but to think that if you put yourself in the shoes of other general managers, he might look like damaged goods.

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He's been in the league 4 years. That is not a long time for all the other marquee players in this league. If he was some backup barely hanging onto a roster spot, then yeah it'd be a long time. And i for one will come out and say I would not feel comfortable with Ladell Betts in a starting role. Not after all the fumbles at crucial moments, or the health issues.

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[quote=Beemnseven;268343]Objectively speaking, what is Portis worth to the rest of the league?

I mean, I know how we as fans see him -- face of the franchise, worth two #1 picks... blah, blah.

I can't help but to think that if you put yourself in the shoes of other general managers, he might look like damaged goods.[/quote]

Damaged goods at 25 years old with three 1500+ seasons under his belt in this league?

If his contract was more conducive to trading him I could see a few teams have some strong interest in him.

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[quote=12thMan;268341]It's funny how the Portis rumors and speculation are starting to come up now.[/quote]

I think it's funny that in spite of all the sneaky double talk that has occured around the Redskins organization over the last several years, that there are still people that think there's no truth to this situation whatsoever.

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[quote=Beemnseven;268343]Objectively speaking, what is Portis worth to the rest of the league?

I mean, I know how we as fans see him -- face of the franchise, worth two #1 picks... blah, blah.

I can't help but to think that if you put yourself in the shoes of other general managers, he might look like damaged goods.[/quote]

I think Portis is definetly, even at the age of 25, worth a 1st rounder and maybe a little more.

As far as damaged goods, well he's only been hurt this year.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;268343]Objectively speaking, what is Portis worth to the rest of the league?

I mean, I know how we as fans see him -- face of the franchise, worth two #1 picks... blah, blah.

I can't help but to think that if you put yourself in the shoes of other general managers, he might look like damaged goods.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I think he's viewed as a good back but nothing to go gaga over.

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[quote=Southpaw;268351]I think it's funny that in spite of all the sneaky double talk that has occured around the Redskins organization over the last several years, that there are still people that think there's no truth to this situation whatsoever.[/quote]

That's what's funny about it all. Two different news papers report similiar stories. Third time, well....

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[quote=Southpaw;268351]I think it's funny that in spite of all the sneaky double talk that has occured around the Redskins organization over the last several years, that there are still people that think there's no truth to this situation whatsoever.[/quote]

Every offseason there are rumors like this involving the Redskins and since Gibbs took over more often than not they have turned out to be false.

Try to name a big name free agent that hasn't had his name associated with the Redskins by the media at some point.

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[quote=jsarno;268336]Well, that is misleading. Portis had a signed contract for another year at the low (relatively speaking) salary he signed as a rookie. He felt he deserved a new contract, the Broncos felt they signed him to a contract already so he should have honored it. I think the Broncos did the right thing. I get sick of players trying to renegotiate their contracts.[/quote]

I can see the other side of it though. The average shelf life for a RB in the NFL is 3 years, i think. If you are putting up the #'s of a top tiered back don't you think you would want to get paid like it. The main thing is that you could suffer a career ending injury anytime and the team can cut you at any time. I can see both sides of the arguement. I'm leaning towards CP on this one. I can't remember all of the details and exactly what went on.

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[quote=Mattyk72;268356]Try to name a big name free agent that hasn't had his name associated with the Redskins by the media at some point.[/quote]

There's a difference between speculation of a big name free agent joining the Redskins and one of the few actual stars being rumored to leave the squad. Generally, when a big name is rumored to leave(Bailey, Smoot, Pierce, Arrington, Davis, Coles, etc.) it turns out to be true.

In fact, the only player in recent memory that I can recall who was heavily rumored to be traded and actually stayed with the squad was Samuels, and that was a few seasons ago.

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[quote=Southpaw;268362]There's a difference between speculation of a big name free agent joining the Redskins and one of the few actual stars being rumored to leave the squad. Generally, when a big name is rumored to leave(Bailey, Smoot, Pierce, Arrington, Davis, Coles, etc.) it turns out to be true.

In fact, the only player in recent memory that I can recall who was heavily rumored to be traded and actually stayed with the squad was Samuels, and that was a few seasons ago.[/quote]

Rumors to leave are one thing, rumors of other teams being interested are entirely different.

It all depends upon which side the rumor is coming from. This one is purely based on other teams wanting Portis, not the Redskins wanting to trade Portis.

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The Broncos already have the Bell Brothers. And don't they need to find a CB now?

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[quote=jsarno;268336]I get sick of players trying to renegotiate their contracts.[/quote]

Fair enough, but the NFL is an owners league. Players have little or no leverage to get fair pay other than to request a trade or to sit out. Baseball has an arbitration process that ensures that players are fairly compensated. Football players basically get screwed if they outperform their contract. Furthermore, teams also have the leverage when a player underperforms as the team can simply "cut" a player and not honor their contract to the player. It works both ways.

If contracts in the NFL were guaranteed, then I would agree with you that it unfair for players to renegotiate in the media.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;268350]Damaged goods at 25 years old with three 1500+ seasons under his belt in this league?[/QUOTE]

Yep. That's not how fans see him, certainly. But again, I'm speaking in terms of what smart GMs around the league might think. He had the broken collarbone, and the shoulder surgery. Not only that, I think there's still sentiment around the league that he could be a system back, flourishing only in just the right schemes.

Unless your name is Emmitt Smith, running backs generally don't last forever in this league with the pounding they take.

This is all to illustrate that I don't think a trade will happen anyway. And if Denver is truly interested, you can bet that the Redskin fans will be sorely disappointed when we don't get nearly what they think Portis is worth.

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[QUOTE=mooby;268345]He's been in the league 4 years. That is not a long time for all the other marquee players in this league. If he was some backup barely hanging onto a roster spot, then yeah it'd be a long time. And i for one will come out and say I would not feel comfortable with Ladell Betts in a starting role. Not after all the fumbles at crucial moments, or the health issues.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your post...except, this was his 5th season.
[url=http://www.profootball-reference.com/players/PortCl00.htm]Clinton Portis statistics - pro-football-reference.com[/url]

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I heard we were interested in Peyton Manning.

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[QUOTE=Mc2guy;268385]Fair enough, but the NFL is an owners league. Players have little or no leverage to get fair pay other than to request a trade or to sit out. Baseball has an arbitration process that ensures that players are fairly compensated. Football players basically get screwed if they outperform their contract. Furthermore, teams also have the leverage when a player underperforms as the team can simply "cut" a player and not honor their contract to the player. It works both ways.

If contracts in the NFL were guaranteed, then I would agree with you that it unfair for players to renegotiate in the media.[/QUOTE]

I would agree with you if they got paid what a normal person gets paid. They get paid on potential, and they get paid if they get injured or under perform.
If they get cut, they still get the signing bonus.

I would like someone to sign me to a 5 year 35 mil contract with a 7 mil signing bonus. I will never play a down and I am still set for life. For LIFE! They get paid millions upon millions to play a game. They need to see themselves as lucky...not deserving.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;268402]I heard we were interested in Peyton Manning.[/QUOTE]

hahaha...of course we are...who isn't?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;268393]Not only that, I think there's still sentiment around the league that he could be a system back, flourishing only in just the right schemes. [/QUOTE]

I don't know if you are right but if there are people who think this then they are retarded. A system back who has suceeded in 2 different schemes over the course of four seasons? When does it become the back and not the system?

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[quote=jsarno;268403]I would agree with you if they got paid what a normal person gets paid. They get paid on potential, and they get paid if they get injured or under perform.
If they get cut, they still get the signing bonus.

I would like someone to sign me to a 5 year 35 mil contract with a 7 mil signing bonus. I will never play a down and I am still set for life. For LIFE! They get paid millions upon millions to play a game. They need to see themselves as lucky...not deserving.[/quote]

In CP's situation (i don't know for sure w/out doing research) but he was most likely making 1/2 mill or so a year. Yea, good money but not enough to set you up after football, which is what most players want.

For example, Javon Walker, last year sat out of Packer camp b/c he was getting paid $400k a year approx. He wound up playing for GB and busting his knee up. Gone for the year and was able to come back and sign a FA contract. What if it was a career ending injury? Again, i see both sides.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;268372]The Broncos already have the Bell Brothers. And don't they need to find a CB now?[/QUOTE]

You're so insensitive!

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Didn't Clinton hate Denver. Didn't he bast them after the trade? Clinton is going to be our next president and will be here for the long run.

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[quote=Mattyk72;268333]He's only 25.

Age isn't the issue, his contract is.[/quote]


I was just about to bring up the same point. Portis is still you ng and just entering his Prime. This is when we need him the most.

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[quote=juggernaunt;268319]it was reported in today's denver post that the broncos are interested in Ricky willaims and the possiblity of bringing back Clinton portis[/quote]

PORTIS ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

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If the Redskins can even muster the cap room needed to trade Portis...wouldn't they most likely use that cap room to add some free agents rather than to trade away a young player that they like?