Skinsfan69 presents The Draft Philosophy Poll
 

Even though WR doesn't seem to be our most pressing need, some people are convinced that we should draft Calvin Johnson if he falls to us at #6 because he's a can't miss.

So, assuming we stay at #6 (and don't trade the pick) do we draft

A. For Need?
B. Best Player Available?

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I beat the poll. Go for need.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;268495]I beat the poll. Go for need.[/QUOTE]

You're quick

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We don't have the luxury of picking the best player. We have several needs and the 6th pick can potentially bring us more than one quality player. Plus I don't care who the hell the WR I don't EVER want to draft one in the 1st round. They are way too risky and for the most part don't give you much until late 2nd year or 3rd year.

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some coaches draft the best player available, like the Saints did with Reggie Bush last year or the Ravens for example. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing us drafting the best player available, but only if there wasn't any good players that we needed in the draft.

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Got to draft defense all the way this year with the 1st pick. Either get a huge DT or DE, but someone on the front four is needed badly - the qb's on the opposing teams had too much time this year and their rating was I believe one of the highest in the NFL this year.

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Last can't miss WR was Mike Williams right? I was livid when the Skins didn't take him, choosing to address a need created by Smoot's departure rather than draft the "best player," but am a little more forgiving now (although if Rogers continues the way he is headed it will be pretty much a wash).

Anyway, there is something about Johnson I don't like. I don't follow the ACC to the extent that you MD and VaTech guys on here do, but has anyone else noticed that Johnson seems to not show up for the biggest games? Anyway, draft for need or trade down, don't take Johnson. We have too much money invested on our first three receivers anyway.

Edit: Oh yeah, Braylon Edwards too. We were supposedly entertaining trade scenarios to move up and get him. He hasn't exactly lit the league on fire.

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Wow. 12-0 so far. I was sure there would be at least one other person that agreed with Skinsfan69

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fuck that....



prime example, the texans needed a D-lineman

so they pass on bush..... stupid

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hahaha i guess i was that one guy. sorry fellas but in my opinion this is a 2 part question.

early on in the draft yes you pick the best player available, however later on you must pick according to need and depth.


another example is passing up on merriman to get carlos rogers. however a lineman in the 6th or 7th round is needed. by then its harder to judge the "best player available"

just my take.

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I say both - take the best player on the board [U]if you need him[/U], otherwise, trade down.

[quote=djnemo65;268520]Anyway, there is something about Johnson I don't like. I don't follow the ACC to the extent that you MD and VaTech guys on here do, but has anyone else noticed that Johnson seems to not show up for the biggest games?[/quote]
I don't know about the regular season, but:
"In his final college game, the younger Johnson had nine catches for 186 yards and two touchdowns in a 38-35 loss to West Virginia in the Gator Bowl."
He did all that could be asked of him in that one.

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[quote=onlydarksets;268540]I say both - take the best player on the board [U]if you need him[/U], otherwise, trade down.
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this says it all. we definitely do not want another wide out

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If this team is stupid enough to draft a WR then there really is no hope. They need to draft the best available at a position that needs help.

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They are really one in the same. Some positions are always going to be more valuable than others. Depending on whether you have a need at a certain position, or a certain player is versatile, all of that is factored in to total value. You should select the best player on YOUR big board. Going into the draft trying to pick only at one position per round is a bad strategy because it limits you too much.

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Wasn't Charles Rogers a can't miss? And Mike Williams? Troy Williamson? David Terrell fell all the way to Chicago in 2001, was that not a good pick?

For my money, it's [U][I]downright stupid[/I][/U] to take a WR in the top 10. BEST case scenario is you pick up a Larry Fitzgerald and [U]actually get the value of where you picked[/U]. Most likely, you will get a decent player but you're give up a huge amount of value. So now, you already are giving up value in the hopes you get something, and there is STILL a chance the WR will completely bust.

If if there was no risk of busting at the WR position, its a losing proposition. The fact that top 10 WRs often bust, makes it downright idiotic to select one that high. No reward, only risk.

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I went with Best Available. By that I'm assuming the player is an immediate starter who's "NFL ready". If this player, regardless of position, can step in due to unforeseen circumstances (injury, suspension, etc) then we would have made the right decision.

Having said that, I really hope Calvin Johnson does not fall to us, not because I don't think he's the best available but becaus that's the one position where we are really top loaded.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;268540]I say both - take the best player on the board [U]if you need him[/U], otherwise, trade down.[/QUOTE]

I think this is the best idea but let's not act like trading the pick is something we simply choose to do. Just because we want to trade it doesn't mean there is a partner willing to go along. I hear this every year about how we should "trade the pick" like it is something we just do by going to the 'Trade Your Pick 7-11' and pick up a 'Pick Slurpee'. It isn't necessarily that simple. But if we can find a suitable trade than I agree we trade the pick when the best available doesn't satisfy a need for us.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;268554]I went with Best Available. By that I'm assuming the player is an immediate starter who's "NFL ready". If this player, regardless of position, can step in due to unforeseen circumstances (injury, suspension, etc) then we would have made the right decision.

Having said that, I really hope Calvin Johnson does not fall to us, not because I don't think he's the best available but becaus that's the one position where we are really top loaded.[/quote]

Someone mentioned in another thread about if he DOES fall to us, SOMEONE will want that trade. I like that idea a lot myself.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;268565]Someone mentioned in another thread about if he DOES fall to us, SOMEONE will want that trade. I like that idea a lot myself.[/quote]

Here's hoping Ditka gets a coaching job.

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[quote=TAFKAS;268494]Even though WR doesn't seem to be our most pressing need, some people are convinced that we should draft Calvin Johnson if he falls to us at #6 because he's a can't miss.

So, assuming we stay at #6 (and don't trade the pick) do we draft

A. For Need?
B. Best Player Available?

Vote or Matty will take his fan site and go home[/quote]
Up until the last week or so I was in the "Draft for Need" camp. But looking back, the last time we had a top-10 pick, we went for need (Carlos Rogers) and passed on two better available players (Shawne Merriman and DeMarcus Ware). Merriman looks like the second coming of Lawerence Taylor, and Rogers is still finding his way. It sickens me when I see Merriman with 17 sacks in 12 games while our ENTIRE TEAM can only muster 19 in a full season.

If Calvin Johnson falls to #6, I don't see how you can pass on him. The guy has T.O.'s body, Randy Moss's hands, speed, and leaping ability, and none of the attitude baggage. Quite simply, he may be the best player in this draft (he is #1 on Mel Kiper's board). I don't see anyone saying that about Alan Branch. We've already invested heavily in Jason Campbell - adding a freak like Johnson will only accelerate Campbell's development. He will give opposing safeties another reason to think twice about playing in the box, further openning the running game, not to mention that he's also a physical downfield blocker. Lastly, Johnson will give Campbell a true red-zone threat for corner fade patterns, something the Skins have lacked for years.

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Always draft best available. If anything, you can trade him (or who he replaces) for what you need...

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[quote=djnemo65;268520]Last can't miss WR was Mike Williams right? I was livid when the Skins didn't take him, choosing to address a need created by Smoot's departure rather than draft the "best player," but am a little more forgiving now (although if Rogers continues the way he is headed it will be pretty much a wash).
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The problem with Williams is that he is big and slow. Plus he was coming off a season where he didn't play football. Slow receivers will always have difficulty getting separation in the NFL. Consider this - 6'5", 235 lbs, 4.4 speed, and a 41" vertical - getting separation WILL NOT be a problem for Calvin Johnson.

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[quote=TAFKAS;268494]Even though WR doesn't seem to be our most pressing need, some people are convinced that we should draft Calvin Johnson if he falls to us at #6 because he's a can't miss.

So, assuming we stay at #6 (and don't trade the pick) do we draft

A. For Need?
B. Best Player Available?

Vote or Matty will take his fan site and go home[/quote]

I am shocked that people would not want to take the best player on the board. I guess a lot of you did not watch this guy play. Here is how I look at it. All players taken in the 1st round are risks! Adams looks kind of small to me. We already have a small DE who can't hold up against the run. And the guy on Mich looks like a stud. But IMO d tackles can't impact a game like CJ can. A lot of playing good defense is getting a bunch of players and having them play well together. You may not need the most talent, just guys that play well together and communicate. On offense I tend to think you need more pure talent, particularly at the skill positions. This guy will make things better for our running game and passing game. His presence is going to make things better for everyone on offense. And people are comparing Mike Williams to CJ? Cmon. MW had to sit out a year. He sat on his ass and never got in shape. Bad comparison!

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[quote=SouperMeister;268574]Up until the last week or so I was in the "Draft for Need" camp. But looking back, the last time we had a top-10 pick, we went for need (Carlos Rogers) and passed on two better available players (Shawne Merriman and DeMarcus Ware). Merriman looks like the second coming of Lawerence Taylor, and Rogers is still finding his way. It sickens me when I see Merriman with 17 sacks in 12 games while our ENTIRE TEAM can only muster 19 in a full season.

If Calvin Johnson falls to #6, I don't see how you can pass on him. The guy has T.O.'s body, Randy Moss's hands, speed, and leaping ability, and none of the attitude baggage. Quite simply, he may be the best player in this draft (he is #1 on Mel Kiper's board). I don't see anyone saying that about Alan Branch. We've already invested heavily in Jason Campbell - adding a freak like Johnson will only accelerate Campbell's development. He will give opposing safeties another reason to think twice about playing in the box, further openning the running game, not to mention that he's also a physical downfield blocker. Lastly, Johnson will give Campbell a true red-zone threat for corner fade patterns, something the Skins have lacked for years.[/quote]

THANK U!!!!!

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[quote=724Skinsfan;268554]I went with Best Available. By that I'm assuming the player is an immediate starter who's "NFL ready". If this player, regardless of position, can step in due to unforeseen circumstances (injury, suspension, etc) then we would have made the right decision.

Having said that, I really hope Calvin Johnson does not fall to us, not because I don't think he's the best available but becaus that's the one position where we are really top loaded.[/quote]

See IMO we are not loaded becasue we have a bunch of guys who are number three WR's. ARE, Patton Thrash and LLoyd are not number two NFL WR's. Just becasue some are getting big paychecks does not mean they are qualified. I would even say that Santana is not a pure number one. I think Santana is between a 1 and a 2 or a real solid 2.

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I agree that CJ is a stud, but I feel like our offense is already where it needs to be. We can be just like the Rams this year, great offense, no defense. There has to be a happy medium. I AM for taking a player that's the best available for defense however. Even though we might not need a MLB that bad, if a stud was available, I'd take him. Right now, I'm happy if we take a CB, DT or DE as long as they were studs (as close to a sure thing as you can get in a draft).

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if there is an assumed can't miss player that somehow falls to the skins, they should first field any trade offers brought before them, but if there r no good trades offered, they have to take the best player that isn't a qb. there's no sense in over paying for a player that was taken just because he plays a need area. Other than rb and qb, until Campbell proves otherwise, I don't see any position on the team that isn't above being strengthened and improved.

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For all those that think you have to draft the best available, would we draft the best running back with Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, T.J. Duckett, and Rock Cartwright on the roster? ...while our defensive line gets trampled game after game?