Giants Keeping Tom Coughlin
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2725854]ESPN.com - NFL - All signs point to Giants retaining head coach Coughlin[/url]

I guess it's a case of no real hot candidates being available.

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whats gonna happen to mora? I'd take him over coughlin anyday...

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That seems like a bad reason to keep a coach who seems like he is pretty much hated by his team. I've never heard as many players claim that their team was outcoached as often as the Giants have in the past couple of seasons, except for maybe when Bill Callahan was at the helm for the hapless Oakland Raiders.

I thoroughly expect that team to fall apart next season. No Tiki to keep defenses honest or even attempt to lead that team. Eli never looks he cares or even knows what's going on sometimes, Shockey and Burress are pricks and it seems like the only thing any of them have in common is a hatred for their coach. Next season could be an interesting one to watch for the Giants.

Meaning the Skins should at least finish third in the division!

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I hated losing to them but it helped us out in the future. Making the playoofs gave them just a little less reason to fire him. He is killing that team.

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He's a decent team builder, but he wears out his welcome pretty fast. team killer

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whatever... Its not like he has underperformed. Its not like he has done amazing either but thing is his team hates him. I am looking for a franchise breakdown sometime next year.

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If the whole team and not just a few malcontent primadonna's were anti-Coughlin then I can see that he should be fired. Giants management would be extremely foolish to keep Coughlin if the team as a whole hated him and as a result will not perform for him.

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Well see that's the thing about firing coaches. Why would you want to fire him if there aren't any better options available?

The team has no confidence in Coughlin and thinks he gets outcoached, but what are they going to think if they bring in a Bobby Petrino type guy, ie some college coach? Given the lack of success most college coaches have, wouldn't it stand to reason that the Giants would get fed up with any mistakes their coach makes as well?

I mean, maybe not, you never know if the next college coach or young assistant is going to be a good one. But chances are, the Giants would just be bitching and moaning under the new coach, just like they would be for Coughlin.

If they could get their hands on Grimm, I'd think he would be an upgrade over Coughlin. Too bad the Steelers are probably all over him. But other than Grimm, who's definitely better than Tom Coughlin? Doesn't make sense to me to just go changing coaches; you only do it if you've got someone you are pretty sure is going to be better.

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On Coughlin, he's an ill-tempered old man who's horrible at Xs and Os, and seems to have lost his team's respect. I am in no way saying he's a great coach. But if Eli Manning played up to his potential, wouldn't the team be winning a bit more often? And wouldn't a little more winning put an end to all of the bitching and moaning?

I just wonder how well a new coach would do in NY with Eli at the helm. I'm guessing not very well, because in the end, Eli just isn't a good QB in my opinion, and doesn't have much of a chance to be much better. He's just an overrated bum with the last name Manning.

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I think maybe their thinking is wait one more year, possibly go after Pioli next offseason again and let Pioli bring his own coach in.

As for better choices-Mike Martz? Ron Rivera? Denzel Washington?

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I think the Giants are clearly waiting for Charlie Weiss to step down to replace Coughlin......


And I agree with Schneed, Elis is soo overrated. If it wasn't for his last name, he would already be labeled as a bust.

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[quote=jdlea;269001]That seems like a bad reason to keep a coach who seems like he is pretty much hated by his team. I've never heard as many players claim that their team was outcoached as often as the Giants have in the past couple of seasons, except for maybe when Bill Callahan was at the helm for the hapless Oakland Raiders.

I thoroughly expect that team to fall apart next season. No Tiki to keep defenses honest or even attempt to lead that team. Eli never looks he cares or even knows what's going on sometimes, Shockey and Burress are pricks and it seems like the only thing any of them have in common is a hatred for their coach. Next season could be an interesting one to watch for the Giants.

Meaning the Skins should at least finish third in the division![/quote]I heard that the players went to bat for the Giants to keep him. His winning record is better than Gibbs and the Tuna as returning coaches. I also remember a coach which got alot of flack from players called Marty which we only had for one year and look what he has done sense.

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I'd be suprised if Weiss leaves Notre Dame within the next few years because he's about to get this Klausen kid (who had like 38 brothers that played QB for Tenn) who is supposed to be one of the best high school QB recruits in years. I would think that Weiss would want to see what kind of a job he can do on this kid before he goes back into the NFL.
Then again, I have a hard time believing most coaches after the whole Saben thing.

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I guess it's a case of no real hot candidates being available.[/quote]

Fine by me. The way I see it- I hope everyone else in the East next season has to deal with change on some level though. If the Skins remain the same and build on what they have, they will have the advantage.

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[quote=firstdown;269066]I heard that the players went to bat for the Giants to keep him. His winning record is better than Gibbs and the Tuna as returning coaches. I also remember a coach which got alot of flack from players called Marty which we only had for one year and look what he has done sense.[/quote]

good point, that team had a couple vet prima donnas, e.g. Bruce smith (love him, but his last few years here were all about his sack record), but he turned that season around & might've gotten em in the right direction if the danny had lived up to his end.
Funny, I said at the beginning of the year that the g-men reminded me of the 2000 Redskins. Though marty was here in 01, a lot of the same guys were on the team. Both those teams & the g-men have a lot of vets. I think it's harder for a disciplinarian coach to coach that tough style w/older players who've been around to see how other coaches do it.

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If I were a coach thinking about an NFL head coaching job, I'd run as fast as I could away from the New York Giants. No more Tiki Barber, no more Ernie Accorsi (and no replacement lined up), I'd have to deal with the outspoken Jeremy Shockey and Plaxico Burress, Strahan's getting older, and most importantly Eli Manning is definitely not the savior.

They've got no RB depth (Brandon Jacobs, that's it) and their secondary is still very suspect.

They're a team in big trouble if you ask me.

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[quote=Redskins_P;269061]And I agree with Schneed, Elis is soo overrated. If it wasn't for his last name, he would already be labeled as a bust.[/quote]If it wasn't for his name, he wouldn't have been a first round pick, and would be a backup somewhere right now...not a bust.

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I read in one report that the Giants gave Coughlin a one-year extension so that means they're on the hook to him for two seasons. Very strange...

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[QUOTE=firstdown;269066]I heard that the players went to bat for the Giants to keep him. His winning record is better than Gibbs and the Tuna as returning coaches. I also remember a coach which got alot of flack from players called Marty which we only had for one year and look what he has done sense.[/QUOTE]

Hmmmmm...guess I'm wrong on that one then. I agree Marty has been very good since leaving and I didn't think getting rid of him was a good idea. However, I really don't like Tom Coughlin and wanted to see him fired so it may have been selective memory on my part. It still seems to me that Plax and Shockey don't like. That team is full of turmoil, I don't know that he has too much control of it. I know he's got a decent record, I just don't know how I would feel about him trying to lead this team for another season. You've got Plax and Shockey showing Eli up on the field, Strahan basically threatening reporters and Eli taking huge steps backwards, I just wouldn't have confidence in him if I were the GM/owner.

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We said Marty Schottenheimer was team killer but deep down inside we all knew he was a good coach and we let a good coach getaway. The players don't have to love Coughlin, they just have to show up and play. What Coughlin needs is a good QB and an offensive coordinator.

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[QUOTE=saden1;269135]We said Marty Schottenheimer was team killer but deep down inside we all knew he was a good coach and we let a good coach getaway. The players don't have to love Coughlin, they just have to show up and play. What Coughlin needs is a good QB and an offensive coordinator.[/QUOTE]

He's so good he basically demoralized the team and took all the fun out of playing. How'd that workout? Now their franchise player is retiring early and you have to wonder whether the game being not so fun anymore had anything to do with that. I don't think anyone ever accused Marty of totally demoralizing his teams. He may be tough and it rubs some guys a little but he was a fair guy. Have you even heard about some of the crap Coughlin pulls?

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Marty wasn't a team killer, well maybe initially but by season's end he had that team running through walls for him.

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Look, Coughlin made the playoffs the last two years. He has a lot of whiners on the team, but in NY, the media is just baiting htose guys to talk. I'm not a big fan of Coughlin, but his teams have consistently won the games we've been unable to--against the bad teams, when they aren't playing well, etc. And they've creamed us a few times. But I think it's going to be tough without Tiki--he carried them in a number of games over the last few years. And if Eli contiues his inconsisten mediocrity, they are in trouble.

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[quote=JWsleep;269174]Look, Coughlin made the playoffs the last two years. He has a lot of whiners on the team, but in NY, the media is just baiting htose guys to talk. I'm not a big fan of Coughlin, but his teams have consistently won the games we've been unable to--against the bad teams, when they aren't playing well, etc. And they've creamed us a few times. But I think it's going to be tough without Tiki--he carried them in a number of games over the last few years. And if Eli contiues his inconsisten mediocrity, they are in trouble.[/quote]
Did Tiki carry the Giants that much against other teams or was when he just was playing against us? LOL

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too much team turnover to fire the coach right now. and they did MAKE the playoffs. wish we could say that.

Coughlin back next year as Giants coach
 

I love it! Especially since it means no more Tiki!
[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070110/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_giants_coach_4"]Coughlin back next year as Giants coach - Yahoo! News[/URL]

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Personally I think they are setting themselves up to enter the [SIZE=-1]Bill Cowher bidding war after the next season. Most likely the Cowturds will be in there with them.
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I think this is a great move .......for us! That team is a complete disaster.

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I wonder how LaVar feels now that they've fired Tim Lewis. That means another year another defensive coordinator for Arrington. Ah well

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[QUOTE] Did Tiki carry the Giants that much against other teams or was when he just was playing against us? LOL [/QUOTE]

it seems every great rb in the nfc east from tony dorsett,emmit smith,rickey waters, marcus allen,and tiki all had their best games against the redskins it
seems to me!

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Marcus Allen was NEVER in the NFC East!

However I will admit that he embarrased us pretty bad in Superbowl XVIII!
20/191 and a horrible 74 yd run in the 3rd that really hurt my feelings...

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[quote=TAFKAS;269846]I wonder how LaVar feels now that they've fired Tim Lewis. That means another year another defensive coordinator for Arrington. Ah well[/quote]
i think this only matters if, 1. you pay attention to your assignments. and, 2. you actually get on the field

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Man i thought for sure he was gonna go