Walt Harris to the Pro Bowl
 

Lito Sheppard's injury means that Walt Harris is now a pro bowler. This just endorses another great FO decision from the skins. 6 interceptions in the season and NFC defensive player of the month in November. Still, our corners all had great years so we didn't need that kind of production...

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Congrats to Walt. This goes to show players can bounce back from having a bad year.

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Walt harris was a complete stiff here. I'd be very happy to provide hotlinks to every post demandinng he be re-signed by the front office:

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Now that I'm done with that, maybe we should all look closely at a Pro Bowl system that allows a nickel CB (not a starter) to make the Pro Bowl, when his own coaches have made the determination he isn't one of the top two CBs on his own team, much less in the league.

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i wasnt one of the many that wanted to run harris out of here. he played decent last season, but was the whipping boy for many. by a show of hands, how many wish here still played for the skins?

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I guess the crystal ball at Redskins Park needs shining up, because who really saw this coming??

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My only question is, how could the guy be a bust one year, and Pro Bowl material the next? That is what bugs me more than anything else.

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Brud you forgot all the links from people who were upset when he signed with the niners. here are those.

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and the ones where people predicted he'd have a great year

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Harris was a body for us. We replaced him with basically the same player in Wright. They are nearly identical. Had Harris been here he'd be on the chopping block as much as anyone else who played marginally for us this past year.

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[quote=marius;272719]Lito Sheppard's injury means that Walt Harris is now a pro bowler. This just endorses another great FO decision from the skins. 6 interceptions in the season and NFC defensive player of the month in November. Still, our corners all had great years so we didn't need that kind of production...[/quote]

I don't remember anyone...anyone who was upset w/ Harris leaving. This is hindsight right now.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee;272724]
Now that I'm done with that, maybe we should all look closely at a Pro Bowl system that allows a nickel CB (not a starter) to make the Pro Bowl, when his own coaches have made the determination he isn't one of the top two CBs on his own team, much less in the league.[/QUOTE]
That system was what Snyder called "Vanilla" while it was here in DC.
It's hard to see Mike Nolan and Turner have a little success with that crappy team :(

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Ok, he had 6 ints. but how many big plays did he give up? I think the number of ints. stand out and could cover up the bad. I did not watch him play so I really don't know.

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[quote=12thMan;272735]My only question is, how could the guy be a bust one year, and Pro Bowl material the next? That is what bugs me more than


[COLOR=black]How? Opportunity, that's how. He got the opportunity to prove his worth and he stepped up. There are too many showoffs on the Skins, so the average guys don't bother...[/COLOR]

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[quote=firstdown;272774]Ok, he had 6 ints. but how many big plays did he give up? I think the number of ints. stand out and could cover up the bad. I did not watch him play so I really don't know.[/quote]

Dude, don't just down play six ints. That's a damn good year any way you slice it.

Corners give up a fair amount of big plays, that's just the nature of the beast.

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I'm happy for Harris. And, as has been pointed out, who saw this one coming? Maybe we should re-sign Kenny Wright to a $50 million deal (j/k).

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[quote=12thMan;272799]Dude, don't just down play six ints. That's a damn good year any way you slice it.

Corners give up a fair amount of big plays, that's just the nature of the beast.[/quote]
No a wasn't down playing 6 ints. but was wondering how he played the rest of the saeson.If he intercepts a ball but then gets burned for two TD's thw only real number that will stand out from the game is the int unless your a SF fan.

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Good for Harris. But also keep in mind he had 3 interceptions in one game....against Oakland

If you compared the 2005 seasons of Wright and Harris, and considered their age and contracts the rationale choice would have been to sign Wright for 2006. Unfortunately, rationality doesn't always work

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;272813]If you compared the 2005 seasons of Wright and Harris, and considered their age and contracts the rationale choice would have been to sign Wright for 2006. Unfortunately, rationality doesn't always work[/QUOTE]

Exactly my sentiments.

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He had as good of a season as I have seen a corner have in a while. I think I saw him get beat like twice all season. The young Shawntae Spencer was our #1 guy coming in and he was the one who was actually getting thrown on and beat a considerable amont of plays. Harris shut down his guys for the most part all season. Glad to see he got in, his lack of name recognition was the only reason he was snubbed.

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[quote=TAFKAS;272813]Good for Harris. But also keep in mind he had 3 interceptions in one game....against Oakland

If you compared the 2005 seasons of Wright and Harris, and considered their age and contracts the rationale choice would have been to sign Wright for 2006. Unfortunately, rationality doesn't always work[/quote]Kenny Wright might have gotten 6 picks as the nickle in SF also. Walt Harris may have gotten 0 here. We don't know.

Ints aren't a good way to make an arguement that we should have kept the guy. Everybody and their grandma knows he wouldn't have gotten more than 2 Ints here.

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[quote=GTripp0012;272877]Kenny Wright might have gotten 6 picks as the nickle in SF also. Walt Harris may have gotten 0 here. We don't know.

Ints aren't a good way to make an arguement that we should have kept the guy. Everybody and their grandma knows he wouldn't have gotten more than 2 Ints here.[/quote]To be honest his INT's aren't what impressed me. Most of them were thrown right to him.

What did impress me was basically everything else he did this season. He wasn't even thrown on all that much, and when they did he would make the play. I think he denied Torry Holt at least 3 TD's this year.

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You can't overlook interceptions but you also have to consider the circumstances. I'll cite Barry Wilburn and Larry Brown.

Barry Wilburn was a beast that one year (1987 I think) with 9 interceptions and everyone was like "Oh snap, Wilburn is da bomb!" But then you say, 'Well, how is this guy getting so many interceptions" Answer: Look across the field and see who's shutting down the other side. Yeah, Darrell Green. No one is even challenging him so Wilburn is getting tons of opportunities. Good for him though on making the most of them.

Then you look at Larry Brown (the Cowboy, not the Redskin), Super Bowl MVP with two interceptions. For one thing he was helped greatly by Neil O'Donnell throwing it right at him. But secondly, a lot of it was because the Steelers wouldn't dare throw to Deion's side.

Now I'm not saying this was the case with Harris because it's not like he has a stud on the opposite side of him. But in general terms it's a factor to be considered.

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[quote=12thMan;272799]Corners give up a fair amount of big plays, that's just the nature of the beast.[/quote]

Yep EVEN Champ Did! Ummm I don't really remember Mr Green giving up many big Plays tho....

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Talking about bad luck. We get a good player and then they suck and we let go of a poor player and then their good.

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He had 8 ints and look at the other corners that had high ints.
Asante samual 10
champ bailey 10
rasheen mathis 8
Nnamdi asomugha 8
charles woodson 8
walt harris 8
chris mcalister 6

I dont think it's all luck. I know you guys want to tell yourselfs that being that you started mike rumph (are you serious) for part of the year.

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welcome, and what team do you root for?

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[quote=TAFKAS;272879]You can't overlook interceptions but you also have to consider the circumstances. I'll cite Barry Wilburn and Larry Brown.

Barry Wilburn was a beast that one year (1987 I think) with 9 interceptions and everyone was like "Oh snap, Wilburn is da bomb!" But then you say, 'Well, how is this guy getting so many interceptions" Answer: Look across the field and see who's shutting down the other side. Yeah, Darrell Green. No one is even challenging him so Wilburn is getting tons of opportunities. Good for him though on making the most of them.

Then you look at Larry Brown (the Cowboy, not the Redskin), Super Bowl MVP with two interceptions. For one thing he was helped greatly by Neil O'Donnell throwing it right at him. But secondly, a lot of it was because the Steelers wouldn't dare throw to Deion's side.

Now I'm not saying this was the case with Harris because it's not like he has a stud on the opposite side of him. But in general terms it's a factor to be considered.[/quote]
Very good points. If Shawntae Spencer (I was a big fan of his coming into the season) had been shutting down the #1 receivers week in and week out and Harris had been getting burned and making the occasional INT then I wouldn't even really care that much, making INT's while being burned all the time doesn't impress me.

But Spencer was actually the one being burned, thrown on, and would usually go against the #2 receiving threat. Harris covered the #1 most of the season and was only burned a couple of times that I can remember. Most his INT's weren't that impressive though. I think Walter threw him a few against Oakland and I know Cutler did in Denver.

I thought the aging Harris would be a weakness of the secondary before the season, but that actually ended up being Spencer (to be fair, he battled hamstring injury through the season).

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[quote=railcon56;272881]Yep EVEN Champ Did! Ummm I don't really remember Mr Green giving up many big Plays tho....[/quote]
Bailey had a really good season this year, one of the first years he has lived up to his reputation in a while. Why he got so much fellatio after last season I do not know, how many yards did TO put on him?

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[quote=marius;272719]Lito Sheppard's injury means that Walt Harris is now a pro bowler. This just endorses another great FO decision from the skins. 6 interceptions in the season and NFC defensive player of the month in November. Still, our corners all had great years so we didn't need that kind of production...[/quote]

Chalk up another one to the worst front office in football. Another scapegoat goes on to glory while we win a handfull of games.

Nice one Vinny or Danny or Joe or whoever the hell makes all of the idiotic moves on a regular basis....

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;272917]Chalk up another one to the worst front office in football. Another scapegoat goes on to glory while we win a handfull of games.

Nice one Vinny or Danny or Joe or whoever the hell makes all of the idiotic moves on a regular basis....[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone saw Harris' 2006 campaign. I was watching him and thought he was a dime back at best. I can't blame the front office for that one.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;272935]I don't think anyone saw Harris' 2006 campaign. I was watching him and thought he was a dime back at best. I can't blame the front office for that one.[/quote]Were you paying attention when you were watching him?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;272935]I don't think anyone saw Harris' 2006 campaign. I was watching him and thought he was a dime back at best. I can't blame the front office for that one.[/quote]

Except his '05 campaign was better than Wright's '06. They need to stop with the churn and burn mentality. Change for the sake of change does not work. I would like to know who decided that it would improve the team to drop Harris for an unknown entity.

Hell forget the question of switching Wright for Harris, what makes Rogers better than Harris? At least Harris can catch a ball that hits him in the hands.

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[quote=anthony06;272886]He had 8 ints and look at the other corners that had high ints.
Asante samual 10
champ bailey 10
rasheen mathis 8
Nnamdi asomugha 8
charles woodson 8
walt harris 8
chris mcalister 6

I dont think it's all luck. I know you guys want to tell yourselfs that being that you started mike rumph (are you serious) for part of the year.[/quote]It's time to play everyones favorite game, "[U]Which Player Doesn't Belong!!![/U]" I'm your host GTripp, and now lets introduce you to our contestants today!

Seriously though, I think there is one player on that list thats very unlikely to be up there with those guys again. Two actually. Harris and Woodson.

On a completely unrelated note, welcome to the boards!

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;272938]Except his '05 campaign was better than Wright's '06. They need to stop with the churn and burn mentality. Change for the sake of change does not work. I would like to know who decided that it would improve the team to drop Harris for an unknown entity.

Hell forget the question of switching Wright for Harris, what makes Rogers better than Harris? At least Harris can catch a ball that hits him in the hands.[/quote]We needed the cap room. Bad.

Harris could have started here after Springs went down...Oh well. He wasn't better than Wright in 05, and he is awful against double moves, but with all the pass rush we got this year that wouldn't have hurt us, right?

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[QUOTE=Rexi;272937]Were you paying attention when you were watching him?[/QUOTE]

Yup and he looked awful. He missed a ton of tackles, got burnt on double moves and on go routes by anyone faster than an offensive lineman. He looked absolutely silly in a game against the Eagles at FedEx (anyone remember that?). You, however, probably were not watching him last year, that is unless you are a closet Redskins fan.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;272938]Except his '05 campaign was better than Wright's '06. They need to stop with the churn and burn mentality. Change for the sake of change does not work. I would like to know who decided that it would improve the team to drop Harris for an unknown entity.

Hell forget the question of switching Wright for Harris, what makes Rogers better than Harris? At least Harris can catch a ball that hits him in the hands.[/QUOTE]

But it's not like Wright was a nobody. Plus, if I remember right, Harris (who, as mentioned, had a less than impressive 2005 season) left before we signed Wright and for the double the money we signed Wright to. So it's possible maybe, just maybe, that Wright just wanted to go. And it wasn't worth it to fight to keep him.

I don't know. I mean like I've said the move made perfect sense at the time but sometimes things just backfire. It's not a bad decision, just unfortunate results

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As a niner fan who lives in dc there is one thing I think we can all agree on................ Mike rumph sucks! Everyone here keeps talking about wright, when in reality you should be focusing on how the depth of wright and harris would have been nice so rumph would have never seen the field. From a guy that watched every niner game and a handful of redskins games, Walt Harris was by far the 49ers best db last year(not saying a whole lot) and you definately could have used him.

P.S. I dont want to be trolling too hard but thanks for the B lloyd trade!

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your welcome. and after you guys win 5 games next season, we will never hear from you again

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[quote=dmek25;272970]your welcome. and after you guys win 5 games next season, we will never hear from you again[/quote]

At this moment, they look like they are in better shape than us for next year.

That being said, I think that G-dub is going to put a top 10 defense on the field next year. It may sound crazy now but what if someone said that we would have a top 3 D after the '03 campaign.

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[quote=GTripp0012;272946]We needed the cap room. Bad.

Harris could have started here after Springs went down...Oh well. He wasn't better than Wright in 05, and he is awful against double moves, but with all the pass rush we got this year that wouldn't have hurt us, right?[/quote]

Did we really need it at the time? I thought we had about 3 million in space the whole year.

Anyway, it is too late to do anything about it now. Harris may make the Pro-bowl because he made plays this year but no one is afraid to throw at him and San Fran's D isn't exactly intimidating.

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[quote=dmek25;272729] by a show of hands, how many wish here still played for the skins?[/quote]

I wished we had that production here by Harris, or someone. Anyone.

I have a theory that a free agent's first year with a team is the toughest. Transition; adjustment; learning the system and all that. This year, I'm going to look at a free agent's stats from last year and discount it by a third. That's what I will expect from them in '07.

Curb your enthusiasm for those big signings of Freeney, Samuels or {fill in the blank}.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;272953]Yup and he looked awful. He missed a ton of tackles, got burnt on double moves and on go routes by anyone faster than an offensive lineman. He looked absolutely silly in a game against the Eagles at FedEx (anyone remember that?). You, however, probably were not watching him last year, that is unless you are a closet Redskins fan.[/quote]You're right I didn't watch him last year. Maybe he was terrible I don't know, but you typed 2006 campaign (that would be THIS year) and this year he was fantastic.