It's Time For The Skins' Super Bowl Starting With Free Agency
 

Well everyone its our time of year now. The fake Superbowl just ended and the real one starts for us. We have won this Title going on for about 5 of the last 7 years. Now thats what you call a dynasty. No one can touch us during this time of year. Redskin one is fueling up as we look at this post. Little Danny,Vinny and Joe Gibbs mouths must be watering thinking about the current crop of true redskins were about to sign. Thinking about ways we can trade more picks in the future away to make sure we keep this title in DC. And letting our player leave so we can get these future true redskins to be more unproductive than last year crop. This is a title we need to keep people, this is the Redskin way. Let the Colts keep there silver trophy and rings we have signing bonuses to give away. We have to make sure we shock and awe the rest of the NFL with our plans. We are on the verge of something special people. We'll read the headline the skins sign another player here and there. When that happens the title we be ours. As Clinton Portis said the day we traded for him, his cell phone rang of the hook for players who want to come here and get paid. Not to win that our legacy. Hail to the skins. Go get them Danny,Vinny and Gibbs title town is at stake.

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Wow I'm not the only angry fan this week!

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I'm done being taken in by the off-season excitment. Nothing will make me believe this team is a legit contender until I see it on the field.

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[quote=The Huddle;276319]I'm done being taken in by the off-season excitment. Nothing will make me believe this team is a legit contender until I see it on the field.[/quote]
me too

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i think we shouldn't go after any talent at all, but field a team of coaches only... since they know the position better than the players and we have enough of them... AND they don't count against the salary cap...

who's with me??

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lol

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Christmas in March! I am ready!

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hahaha....used to this crap by now....The REAL March [I]Madness[/I] only here in DC....

so sad....

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i agree love the throwback uniforms

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yawn

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;276338]i agree love the throwback uniforms[/quote]


HELL YEAH! Finally....I love em. Got a ST throwback AND a Portis one...hahahaah

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This is the first time in as long as I can remember that we are going into an offseason without even a scintilla of optimism from the fan base. You can save your long winded responses on why we shouldn't be optimistic - we all know - but It's just interesting because we have all gone into every season in the Snyder era with high expectations.

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speak for yourself i stop believing the hype after 2000. Fool me once my fault. Wont fool me again. Im in the show me state now.

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[quote=djnemo65;276342]This is the first time in as long as I can remember that we are going into an offseason without even a scintilla of optimism from the fan base. You can save your long winded responses on why we shouldn't be optimistic - we all know - but It's just interesting because we have all gone into every season in the Snyder era with high expectations.[/quote]

The haters are loving life right now, it's the playa haters ball in full swing

hate-hate-hate

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How bout the Skins stop giving reasons for the haters to hate?

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LOL like the haters need a reason, please. Even in a playoff season there were plenty of haters to go around. Winning doesn't change that.

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I don't recall many haters during the 5-0 run, or after the win in Tampa...

Granted, I started to have my doubts when that same 11-6 team started taking dumps on the field in '06.

Start making wise personnel decisions and threads like these don't exist.

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As I see it, we can leave the offense alone, perhaps start finding some young depth for the OL using the BAP appraoch later in the draft.

I think we are ok at safety, have a #2 corner, and one quality LB and one quality DE.

So the priority has to be CB, LB, and DL. Except for Washington and Carter, I don't think anyone else on our front 7 would start for any other team. Springs might give us one more year, but we still need to be groomig somebody else now.

So the success of our Superbowl off-season will depend on how well we can plug those gaps in our defense.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;276378]I don't recall many haters during the 5-0 run, or after the win in Tampa...

Granted, I started to have my doubts when that same 11-6 team started taking dumps on the field in '06.

Start making wise personnel decisions and threads like these don't exist.[/QUOTE]

You'll always have people finding something to complain about. I don't care how well our team is doing. It is just in some people's nature to complain....it's like an obsessive compulsive disorder. Some people just live to see the other shoe drop.

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Sorry Redskins, you prove something to me and I'll give you the benefit of a doubt. I've seen nothing from this team to indicate we'll be a winning team next year either. I hope we are, but there's no reason for us to be optimistic in the offseason any more. Until something translates to the field, just more of the same from the Washington Deadskins.

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[quote=Beemnseven;276378]I don't recall many haters during the 5-0 run, or after the win in Tampa...

Granted, I started to have my doubts when that same 11-6 team started taking dumps on the field in '06.

Start making wise personnel decisions and threads like these don't exist.[/quote]

Please you've gotta be kidding. We still hear about the win in Tampa and how pathetic the offense was. Sometimes I think it might have been better if we just lost that game so we wouldn't have to hear how that win or that season was such a fraud.

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You didnt hear me complain when we went to the playoffs,my only complaint was brunell couldnt play because he was hurt. Gibbs should have pulled him in sea for ramsey at least we could had a threat to throw the ball late in the game. If we were winning i would be thrilled but the future looks bleak as of right now. Hard to be happy when you see our team keep trading away picks,not keep our own players and overpaying every year for players. What overprice reciever our we going to overpay this year? We never have picks that what kills alot of us here. I rather miss on a pick that get killed on the salary cap because we miss in FA. That hurts the team more. Patten is a bust,randel el is a punt returner period at best a third wr. Lloyd sucked in SF and is a cancer here. Give espy a chance he could surprise someone.

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[quote=djnemo65;276342]This is the first time in as long as I can remember that we are going into an offseason without even a scintilla of optimism from the fan base. You can save your long winded responses on why we shouldn't be optimistic - we all know - but It's just interesting because we have all gone into every season in the Snyder era with high expectations.[/quote]

maybe you're right, but the 05 offseason wasn't one of GREAT expectations. We skins fans did have more opitmism then cause it was Gibbs' 2nd year back, but this season has some similarities to that one.
We couldn't sign many fa's that offseason because of the cap. The only real signings were Patten & Rabach, and there was the trade for Moss.
I look for a similar offseason this year, even if there's one big signing it will be fairly quiet otherwise.
I don't think it's a coincidence that we've struggled right after those big offseasons. Let's hope that a low key offseason brings come continuity.

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[quote=freddyg12;276500]maybe you're right, but the 05 offseason wasn't one of GREAT expectations. We skins fans did have more opitmism then cause it was Gibbs' 2nd year back, but this season has some similarities to that one.
We couldn't sign many fa's that offseason because of the cap. The only real signings were Patten & Rabach, and there was the trade for Moss.
I look for a similar offseason this year, even if there's one big signing it will be fairly quiet otherwise.
I don't think it's a coincidence that we've struggled right after those big offseasons. Let's hope that a low key offseason brings come continuity.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more with your comments! I think we'll lay low during this offseason, and hopefully the good things that happened toward the end of this past season will carry over into this coming season. I know almost everyone has given up on Gibbs around here, but I think he'll do all he can to make sure that 5-11 never happens again under his watch! The man is unquestioned when it comes to making adjustments!

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In today's NFL there's always the possibility of one of these "worst to first" feel-good stories popping up in Washington next season, but other than hoping for something of that nature I can see no reason to be especially optimistic about 2007.

Just what is a "hater"? Seriously, I'd like to hear the definition, because I can't help but wonder if people who just make unpopular obersvations are getting lumped in with the folks who will always find something to gripe about.

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Hater: is someone who doesnt drink the kool-aid juice anymore. Someone who doesnt buy the hype their team is selling. Someone who is tired of losing all the time while watching other teams getting better. Someone who tired of their team trading away pick every year,and signing everyone else overpriced players. Need me to go on? Were tired of the B.S. this team is trying to sell us every year. Always a quick fix no plan for the future.

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[quote=The Huddle;276521]Just what is a "hater"? Seriously, I'd like to hear the definition, because I can't help but wonder if people who just make unpopular obersvations are getting lumped in with the folks who will always find something to gripe about.[/quote]Good point. People who make unpopular observations aren't haters. People like CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR are haters.

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not a hater just unfortually telling it like it is. I guess you guys love losing year in and year out. Im tired of it i expect more from this team. I guess im asking to much to have a winner and not the joke of the NFL every year. 2playoffs apperenices in 15 yrs kinda sucks. I guess that enough for everyone else. So go ahead call me a hater if you like, when they start running this team the right way i give them credit for it, but as of right now forget it im tired of the hype year in and year out i want result not B.S.

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Skins might not be in the best shape to bring in any true big names due to the Salary cap as of right now. If guys restructure then they'll go all out. Why not let guys who we signed last year have another chance. by now they'll know the playbook and the schemes. Look at gibbs 1st year back we had a good defense but no offense then the next we still have have a good defense and the offense improved only adding moss and rabach, and patten who doesn't count b/c he was hurt. then last year it was like they overhauled the defense and look where it got them. Even with Saunders the offense still put up points. The defense couldn't get off the field and allowed long drives constantly. When will the front office learn that not everybody is replaceable is the biggest question going into this offseason. I would expect to be hearing about alot coming out of redskins park within the next week or so. Stay tuned i guess.

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We really need Montgomery and McIntosh to step up big time this year if we're gonna have a successful off-season. Their emergence would take a lot of the pressure off the work we'll have to do to rebuild the front 7.

As it is, we'll still need to find at least a starting DE, starting MLB, and coverage LB even if they do, at minimum.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;276556]not a hater just unfortually telling it like it is. I guess you guys love losing year in and year out. Im tired of it i expect more from this team. I guess im asking to much to have a winner and not the joke of the NFL every year. 2playoffs apperenices in 15 yrs kinda sucks. I guess that enough for everyone else. So go ahead call me a hater if you like, when they start running this team the right way i give them credit for it, but as of right now forget it im tired of the hype year in and year out i want result not B.S.[/quote]


we don't need you or anyone else to "tell it like it is", we know how it is. we don't like losing every year, what we hate is people who cry and complaine all the time about the front office or the skins winning the off-season. you know how this front office does its buisness, you know how they like to try and build a team. this is nothing new. if your tired of it or you don't like it, go root for a different team instead of pissing and moaning around hear.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;276593]we don't need you or anyone else to "tell it like it is", we know how it is. we don't like losing every year, what we hate is people who cry and complaine all the time about the front office or the skins winning the off-season. you know how this front office does its buisness, you know how they like to try and build a team. this is nothing new. if your tired of it or you don't like it, go root for a different team instead of pissing and moaning around hear.[/QUOTE]

That's what I'm saying. Preach on brother Wolfe.

I mean, it seems to me like two out of every three posts that Chief Chuck writes are about how the team sucks, they'll never win as long as Snyder is the owner, he's only the "true fan" because he cares oh so much. Thing is, why does he gotta keep coming on here just to complain. Especially, if he's said one more than one occasion the team will never win as long as Snyder is in charge. For now at least, DS ain't going anywhere so if you think they're not going to win why bother spending time on this site.

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I'm remaining optimistic. It's really easy to have no hopes. When you have no expecations you can never be let down. Well sorry, that's not me.

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I think there are legitimate reasons to be concerned about how some decisions have been made with the Redskins. Fans have a right to air their grievances, and this is the place they are going to do it.

That said, I have great faith in Coach Gibbs and I am sure he will learn from mistakes that have been made recently. I hope that things change on the defensive side of the equation, and that GW doesn't have such free sway to make personnel choices. He seems to have had a hubris problem; hopefully this past season has given him humility.

I think we are in very good shape on offense. We have a lot of challenges on defense. Springs will be gone and with his injury problems that is for the best given our depth issues at corner. We will be fortunate to sign Nate Clements. Our high draft choice will hopefully solve a problem on the defensive line. The linebacker coach is gone and that is a plus - perhaps we will see what Rocky can do now.

I have a lot of hope - the Redskins have to change a lot of things, but they are smart and I think they will learn and adapt and make good choices.

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[quote=Oakland Red;276647]I think there are legitimate reasons to be concerned about how some decisions have been made with the Redskins. Fans have a right to air their grievances, and this is the place they are going to do it.

That said, I have great faith in Coach Gibbs and I am sure he will learn from mistakes that have been made recently. I hope that things change on the defensive side of the equation, and that GW doesn't have such free sway to make personnel choices. He seems to have had a hubris problem; hopefully this past season has given him humility.

I think we are in very good shape on offense. We have a lot of challenges on defense. Springs will be gone and with his injury problems that is for the best given our depth issues at corner. We will be fortunate to sign Nate Clements. Our high draft choice will hopefully solve a problem on the defensive line. The linebacker coach is gone and that is a plus - perhaps we will see what Rocky can do now.

I have a lot of hope - the Redskins have to change a lot of things, but they are smart and I think they will learn and adapt and make good choices.[/quote]


Excellent post. Couldnt have said it better myself.

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[quote=wolfeskins;276593]we don't need you or anyone else to "tell it like it is", we know how it is. we don't like losing every year, what we hate is people who cry and complaine all the time about the front office or the skins winning the off-season. you know how this front office does its buisness, you know how they like to try and build a team. this is nothing new. if your tired of it or you don't like it, go root for a different team instead of pissing and moaning around hear.[/quote]

Amen, brother Wolfe!
I love this time of year. I love the way the Skins go after players. The whole Redskin One treatment is very impressive. I would like to see somewhat more conservatism here and there, but it's great. I can't wait to see who they go after.

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"Anybody up for some free agency?"

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Ay Karamba...we need to win some games this year

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[quote=TAFKAS;276639]I'm remaining optimistic. It's really easy to have no hopes. When you have no expecations you can never be let down. Well sorry, that's not me.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][COLOR=black]I agree with you to a point, but I don't think it's unreasonable for some normally optimistic fans to sit back in "show me" mode at this point. It's fine to get excited about off-season acquisitions if you want to- God knows I've done it often enough -but with the franchise there really hasn't been any record of splashy spring signings leading to success on the field.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]In fact, there hasn't been any record of any [I]sustained[/I] success in a decade and half.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black]Also, while Joe Gibbs status as one of the most beloved figures in franchise history is in no way in jeopardy, I have no problem with open skepticism toward Gibbs II at this point. There's simply nothing impressive about a three year record of 21-27 with just one trip to the playoffs (1-1). Also, it's not at all hard to understand why a 5-11 record three years into a five year deal would bring harsh criticism. I suppose all sorts of analysis can be done to explain how W-L record doesn't accurately reflect the progress that's been made, blah, blah, blah, but at the end of the day it is what it is. If we're going to lavish Gibbs with praise when things go well, it's perfectly fair to hold him accountable when they don't. It's not a one-way street.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black]I am hopeful that every year will bring success for the Redskins, a hope that has taken root and grown every off season since the George Allen days. I will follow the team's moves in the upcoming months with great interest. But when I separate my hopes from what my best guess is based on the evidence, do I think they will actually field playoff team in 2007? No. Do I think Gibbs II will ultimately be successful? No. Does that make me less of a fan, or a "hater"? I don't think so. It's not a declaration of loyalty/disloyalty; it's just an opinion, no more or less valid than anyone else's. If I turn out to be wrong, great! I'm thrilled! We can toast a Super Bowl championship while I happily listen to others tell me just how wrong I was. On the other hand, if I'm right it doesn't mean I'll be happy about it.[/COLOR]
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While I certainly dignify your right to any opinion you wish to have, do you consider yourself an optimist?

noun
def. a person disposed to take a favorable view of things

It does not appear that your post falls in this area?

pessimist

A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view

It does seem to fall in this group?

Just an observation, but I cannot believe the things you detail will happen. And, the Skins don't "owe" me anything. I don't really expect them to worry about "showing" me anything, to garner my support. I choose to follow them for better, for worse. I can un-choose that at any time