Wright and Holdman Reportedly On Their Way Out
 

According to The Washington Post, the Redskins are not interested in retaining CB Kenny Wright or LB Warrick Holdman

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damn does that mean rocky might play next year yeah. Well it looks like were going to have to shut down highway 57 this year. Still have highway 99 open.

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wha?

outrageous.

unbelieveable.

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neither will be missed

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So my Wright and Holdman jersey are now useless???? That sucks!!!

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Ah god I Can't belive this !!!!!! What a dumb FO



While I think Holdman took a little more crap than he should have...this is exactly what I think should happen and expected too

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If we were going to cut Springs, it wouldn't make sense to also let Wright walk.

I agree with both moves. We have a lot of key role players who deserve to have their contracts renewed, and while Wright was on the cusp of this list, Holdman was nowhere near it.

The safe thing to do in an offseason like this is not to resign the players who are on the bubble of deserving a new deal.

I think I speak for everyone when I ask: which team is going to be the beneficiary of Kenny Wrights 6 picks and probowl appearance next year?

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This sucks, we're lossing our two most important players.

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For the record, cutting Wynn, Fauria, and Hall would open up 5 million more in cap space.

That would give us 10.8 million to work with in FA. Thats more than enough. I estimate that Clements+Fletcher would cost us 5.5 million against the 2007 cap. We can always free up more to sign draft picks through restructurings if necessary.

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who are these guys? did they use to play for the redskins?

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i think wright is more then serviceable as the nickel back. i wonder what the skins have in mind. people have been calling for holdmans head for at least 2 seasons. anyone know what he was slated to make this year?

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Watch Kenny Wright pull a Walt Harris on us and go to the Pro Bowl next year.

They must really be planning on going after a CB this offseason because, as someone mentioned earlier, Wright is a decent nickel back.

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[quote=dmek25;279795]i think wright is more then serviceable as the nickel back. i wonder what the skins have in mind. people have been calling for holdmans head for at least 2 seasons. anyone know what he was slated to make this year?[/quote]I hope the plan is to have 3 [B]starting caliber[/B] CBs. Keep Springs as the nickle, and have Rogers and Clements on the field. Rotate them as they fatigue to prevent getting beat deep. Have packages where all three play at the same time (besides the obvious nickle--packages with 3 CBs near the line and ST deep).

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[quote=81forHOF;279797]Watch Kenny Wright pull a Walt Harris on us and go to the Pro Bowl next year.

They must really be planning on going after a CB this offseason because, as someone mentioned earlier, Wright is a decent nickel back.[/quote]

Not a chance. Kenny Wright was just terrible this year and was a liability every time he stepped on the field. Walt Harris was a good player for the Skins...not Pro Bowl caliber, but he didn't make mistakes.

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No big surprise here.

A note on Rocky, I've heard that Lindsey may have been responsible for keeping him off the field last year. Look for him to play a much bigger role this year.

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I am fine with Wright staying as long as he isn't starting corner, I AM NOT COOL with Holdman staying.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;279805]I am fine with Wright staying as long as he isn't starting corner, I AM NOT COOL with Holdman staying.[/QUOTE]I concur

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[quote=Mattyk72;279804]No big surprise here.

A note on Rocky, I've heard that Lindsey may have been responsible for keeping him off the field last year. Look for him to play a much bigger role this year.[/quote]

That seems like it was the case. I think Lindsey's release somewhat justifies my anger over how the defense played last year.

Again, all the coaches can do is coach. I just wasn't convinced that our staff put people in the best position to succeed last year.

You have a guy like Rocky, with a lot of raw talent, riding the pine on a defense that was bad. It just didn't make sense why he wasn't getting more playing time. Rocky, Vilma, Taylor....OH my!!!..

On a side note, did anyone else find it interesting the Ravens chose not to franchise Adelius Thomas?

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I'd like to see us make a run at Thomas but I don't think we will. The guy can do just about everything.

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[quote=81forHOF;279797]Watch Kenny Wright pull a Walt Harris on us and go to the Pro Bowl next year.

They must really be planning on going after a CB this offseason because, as someone mentioned earlier, Wright is a decent nickel back.[/quote]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

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I wasn't even that impressed with Wright as the nickel.

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good ridance these 2 guys where major problems on our defense. I am glad to see we are actually cleaning house. Just Sign DOCK!

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Wright was allwright!!!:)

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe;279828]Wright was allwright!!!:)[/QUOTE]

was he better than the guy he replaced? NO!! therefore he was a downgrade

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[quote=diehardskin2982;279827]good ridance these 2 guys where major problems on our defense. I am glad to see we are actually cleaning house. Just Sign DOCK![/quote]

That may be what they are trying to do. Free up enough space to make early runs at Fletcher and Clements but also to keep Dockery if the price gets high. Or maybe I'm just hoping for the best

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[quote=CanadianSkin;279780]So my Wright and Holdman jersey are now useless???? That sucks!!![/quote]
That does suck, my friends, Friends mom gave him a Coles jersey for his birthday. We looked at it and just laughed.

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[QUOTE=Manusky91;279800]Not a chance. Kenny Wright was just terrible this year and was a liability every time he stepped on the field. Walt Harris was a good player for the Skins...not Pro Bowl caliber, but he didn't make mistakes.[/QUOTE]

Aside from constantly getting run over and not making tackles.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;279804]No big surprise here.

A note on Rocky, I've heard that Lindsey may have been responsible for keeping him off the field last year. Look for him to play a much bigger role this year.[/QUOTE]

Lemar Marshall playing at his natural position of OLB will be a big boost. After a year of toughing it out playing against 300+ pound centers and guards at MLB he will find OLB much easier going against TE's. Lemar may bounce back strong and have a great year. London Fletcher at MLB, Washington a SLB and Lemar at WLB on obvious run plays will a strong lineup. Plus add Alan Branch to the mix at DT and stopping the run should be no problem.

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[quote=Defensewins;279857]Lemar Marshall playing at his natural position OLB will be a big boost. After a year of toughing it out playing against 300+ pound centers and guards at MLB he will find OLB much easier going against TE's. Lemar may bounce back strong and have a great year.[/quote]Yeah, the signing of Fletcher gives us a great LB situation. In fact the biggest questionmark would have to be Fletcher, and the guy's a proven vet.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;279857]Lemar Marshall playing at his natural position of OLB will be a big boost. After a year of toughing it out playing against 300+ pound centers and guards at MLB he will find OLB much easier going against TE's. Lemar may bounce back strong and have a great year. London Fletcher at MLB, Washington a SLB and Lemar at WLB on obvious run plays will a strong lineup. Plus add Alan Branch to the mix at DT and stopping the run should be no problem.[/QUOTE]

Bring Rocky off the bench then? Wright wasn't great but letting him go doesn't help (along with Vincent) doesn't help our depth issues in the secondary.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;279858]Yeah, the signing of Fletcher gives us a great LB situation. In fact the biggest questionmark would have to be Fletcher, and the guy's a proven vet.[/QUOTE]

My other concern is #99. I am not yet convinced he is an everydown DE. He is not stout agains the run. I think alot of our problems against the run was in part to do with #99.
Gibbs defenses in the 80's & early 90's did alot of situation substitutions with great results.
Guys like DE's Marcus Koch & Todd Liebenstein, DT Darryl Grant and LB Rich Milot played on first down and obvious run plays.
LB Monte Coleman, DT Jumpy Geathers, etc. played on obvious pass plays. We had the personell at DE in 2006 to do a rotation, I am not sure why dictator Williams did not rotate them? I would have used Renaldo Wynn and Phillip Daniels on 1st down and obvious run plays. Andre Carter and Demtric Evans on 3rd and long and obvious pass plays. I know Daniels is usually our sack leader but he is also stout against the run and we had no other DE strong against the run but Daniels and Wynn. So by defalt they are the run stoppers. Obviusly you adjust your pattern depending on who you are playing and theri tendancies. This also keeps everyone fresh.

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[quote=Defensewins;279860]My other concern is #99. I am not yet convinced he is an everydown DE. He is tiny. I think alot of our problems against the run was in part to do with #99.[/quote]I agree. It's usually not a good idea to have a starter on the defensive line with a glaring weakness against either the run or the pass.

I do think that we can build around his pass rushing skill though.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;279862]I agree. It's usually not a good idea to have a starter on the defensive line with a glaring weakness against either the run or the pass.

I do think that we can build around his pass rushing skill though.[/QUOTE]

I would not use #99 on 1st down against a strong running team. Save him for 3rd and long.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;279859]Bring Rocky off the bench then? Wright wasn't great but letting him go doesn't help (along with Vincent) doesn't help our depth issues in the secondary.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Vincent and Wright both gone? Springs likely gone? Who does that leave?

I know this had to happen, and it's probably a good thing since none of these guys worked for our secondary. I hope the front office has some good ideas for replacing these guys. Besides Clements, who sounds more and more like a lost cause for the Redskins with every article I read, who else is out there?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;279859]Bring Rocky off the bench then? Wright wasn't great but letting him go doesn't help (along with Vincent) doesn't help our depth issues in the secondary.[/QUOTE]

Rocky off the bench? Not necessarily. Let Rocky and Lemar fight out in trainning camp. You could find their strength and weakness' and sub them according to situation on the field.
I agree with your concern about depth in the secondary. I might have kept Vincent despite his age, the guy was producing. We could have used him as a back up. Wright is not producing.
I think we will keep Springs.

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[quote=Defensewins;279873]I would not use #99 on 1st down against a strong running team. Save him for 3rd and long.[/quote]I don't think we can afford to use him as a situaitonal pass rushed. We'd be too predictable.

I don't think we should ever have signed him, but now that we have him, we have to use him, at least on most downs.

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[quote=theJBexperience;279852]Aside from constantly getting run over and not making tackles.[/quote]

True, he was too light to make the tackles that our LBs should have made, but at least he wasn't getting beat deep all the time.

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I just bought a new Holdman jersey, this sucks.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;279881]I don't think we can afford to use him as a situaitonal pass rushed. We'd be too predictable.

I don't think we should ever have signed him, but now that we have him, we have to use him, at least on most downs.[/QUOTE]

In humble my opinion that is a recipe for failure. Let the front office get the players and let the coaches decide who plays. What a player makes should never influence their playing time and the coaches should not judge them by income. They should earn their PT.
Look at the SS position. in 2006 we had the highest paid SS in the league on the bench and two lesser paid players playing in front of him. That was strictly out of merit. If you start sending the message to the players that you will start because of your high salary, players will get lazy and underperform.

Regarding being to predictable, when an offense is in 3rd and 10 or longer, that is already predictable. If they chance a run they most likely will not make a first down. I like those odds.

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[quote=Defensewins;279860]My other concern is #99. I am not yet convinced he is an everydown DE. He is not stout agains the run. I think alot of our problems against the run was in part to do with #99....[/quote]I think I get what you're saying. The makeup of our DL isn't great. Griffin and Golston are both pass-rushinng DTs. We need someone on the DL who demands a double team. Improved play at MLB is also needed.