Gibbs wants Springs back!
 

I think with these contracts, Springs looks like a bargain. I hope it happens!

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Springs seems to have the leverage now with the way these insane deals are being dealt out. I think the Skins will have to just offer him a straight restructure if they want any cap relief from him this year.

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If they can keep Springs one more year and he can stay healthy and the Smoot thing isn't a cosmic joke at the expense of all of us, we might have a presentable defense next year. G. Williams can go back to his old blitzing ways. Hell, A.A might even get an occasional snap. (3rd and 60)

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Matty's right. With the money being thrown around at free agents, all the leverage has shifted to Springs. If Gibbs REALLY wants to keep him then the Skins are going to have to dig down and make it worth Springs' while to restructure because the only chip the Skins have on their side of the table is to cut Springs.


Oh, that would be really horrible for him -- given that Michael Lewis just signed for $10 M up front and Lewis can't cover. Springs would just love to get cut so he can dip his beak into that trough of free agent cash...

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;283220]Matty's right. With the money being thrown around at free agents, all the leverage has shifted to Springs. If Gibbs REALLY wants to keep him then the Skins are going to have to dig down and make it worth Springs' while to restructure because the only chip the Skins have on their side of the table is to cut Springs.


Oh, that would be really horrible for him -- given that Michael Lewis just signed for $10 M up front and Lewis can't cover. Springs would just love to get cut so he can dip his beak into that trough of free agent cash...[/QUOTE]

No kidding

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[quote=70Chip;283149]If they can keep Springs one more year and he can stay healthy and the Smoot thing isn't a cosmic joke at the expense of all of us, we might have a presentable defense next year. G. Williams can go back to his old blitzing ways. Hell, A.A might even get an occasional snap. (3rd and 60)[/quote]


or 4th and 30 when we are up ny 20

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We would have to be seven types of crazy to cut Springs. The only problem is we are at least five types of crazy and probably six.

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Yeah, springs is still a good corner, and if he's an option at safety, we don't have the depth to get rid of him... he's a pro bowl talented corner who has done great for us when healthy.

I think smoot can probably beat out rogers for the number 2 spot, though...

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[quote=canthetuna;283259]Yeah, springs is still a good corner, and if he's an option at safety, we don't have the depth to get rid of him... he's a pro bowl talented corner who has done great for us when healthy.

I think smoot can probably beat out rogers for the number 2 spot, though...[/quote]


I agree with you. Maybe some competition would be good for Rogers...

what will happen with springs
 

assuming that smoot is signed, what will be our defensive back scheme? Will springs become a safety? Will Rogers or smoot be the nickle, and was smoot just brought in to fill in for springs when he gets injured again?

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;283343]assuming that smoot is signed, what will be our defensive back scheme? Will springs become a safety? Will Rogers or smoot be the nickle, and was smoot just brought in to fill in for springs when he gets injured again?[/quote]

I don't think springs is interested in safety..he doesn't have a safety mentality. smoot and rogers would be a very weak DB combo...two guys that talk first, and defend second. not to mention the fact that both can't catch. we need springs.

i think we start rogers and springs with smoot as nickle

i'm glad we didn't keep dock at that valuation.

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i would rather have smoot and springs start and have rogers play the nickel.

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I'd sort of like to see G.W. try to play Rogers at safety. I feel like he's better suited to it. Then again, given his age and the possiblity that he'll improve a lot this season (I hope) I guess he should stay at CB because that will help us more in the long haul.

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If we get a deal done with Smoot and possibly Fisher?

Not so sure we have Springs?? Stay tuned

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Archuleta will be traded or he will pay himself out of here. Ideally Washington probably wants Springs to play safety. We were already going to pay for a cornerback in free agency. I think Smoot is a better cover corner than a lot of people think. Also, SMOOT CAN CATCH UNLIKE ROGERS AND SPRINGS.

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The truth is Smoot,Rogers or who ever is back there will be fine if we up grade our pass rush! Carter is fine look to him to have a better season but we need more of a rush!

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[quote=RedskinPete;283360]The truth is Smoot,Rogers or who ever is back there will be fine if we up grade our pass rush! Carter is fine look to him to have a better season but we need more of a rush![/quote]
Smoot/Rogers at the Corners and Springs/ Taylor at the Safeties. That will put us in top 5 secondaries in the NFL. Yeah thats right move Springs to Safety

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;283359]Archuleta will be traded or he will pay himself out of here. [/quote]

he WILL NOT pay himself out of here. after lavar did that, the union stepped in and made that impossible to do for any future deal, and also gave the agent that allowed that to happen a nice 2 year suspension.

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I think there will be an all out camp competition for positions in the secondary. We have alot of players with alot to prove back there.

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[quote=RedskinPete;283360]The truth is Smoot,Rogers or who ever is back there will be fine if we up grade our pass rush! Carter is fine look to him to have a better season but we need more of a rush![/quote]

You can't really believe that. Smoot has shown he cannot cover anyone's top receiver and Rogers has yet to show he can. Those guys are not going to frighten anyone. Cornerback is not a position where you can hide weakness, no matter what you do.
Granted, a pass rush will help. But how much it will help is a much bigger question with those two starting at CB.
Springs is essential, and if not him, another impact corner. I don't put Smoot in the "impact corner' category. Unfortunately, right now he's in every receiver's "chump" category. (I don't know that there is an impact corner left out there. A mishmash of chumps is what we used last year to no avail.)
As to Springs having leverage.. I don't know if he really does. His age is up, and his injury history is long. He can be very good when he is on the field, but he is not in a position to be able to guarantee he'll play for anyone for significant time to warrant a huge contract. Unfortunately that holds true for us as well. Springs is a terrific player when helathy, but he cannot be counted upon to stay on the field. I guess in that light signing second tier corners like Smoot or this cat from the Rams who's dropping in today may be the only option. I don't see them as that big of an improvement over last year's mix and match crop, especially if they don't flat out change the philosophy of the DB coaches.
I hope Rogers can step up and warrant his draft postion. I'd feel a hell of a lot better about the Springs situation and the potential Smoot signing if he did.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.

~Bang

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[QUOTE=DGreen28;283369]Smoot/Rogers at the Corners and Springs/ Taylor at the Safeties. That will put us in top 5 secondaries in the NFL. Yeah thats right move Springs to Safety[/QUOTE]


Uhh, that might be pushing it a bit don't you think? I believe we'd have to wait and see how that unit performs before we can annoint them with a top five ranking.

Taylor has the most promise, but even he still needs to make some progress. Springs -5 years might put him near the top, but those days are long over. I see absolutely NOTHING in Carlos Rogers even on paper to confuse him for being included in a top five lineup. And as much as we all seem to love Fred Smoot, he just got released by the Vikings -- so don't get your hopes up for a Martin Mayhew-like #2 performer. A solid nickel maybe.

Trust me, we need one more world beater at corner for us to be considered anywhere near the top 15.

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Keep in mind that Springs has leverage NOW, but wait until June 1 gets closer. Most of the big $ will have been spent, there will be a few teams w/some interest & $ but not like there is now.
I think the Skins are playing a waiting game w/him cause they know he would rather hit free agency then renegotiate w/them for less. Does he only have 1 yr. left on his deal?

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If I'm correct; trading Springs before June 1 or keeping him will have the same cap impact, 7.5 mil?

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The proposed secondary of Smoot, Springs, Taylor, Arch, Prioleau, and Rogers is a good secondary. Especially if Smoot can get back to the level he was at when he left... He had major heart and played through some tough injuries for us, plus he has SWAGGER... I don't think our secondary had that last year. What is the possibility to get Jared Allen? have we explored that angle?

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Speaking of swagger, imagine the "Walk It Out" dances including Smoot.

It's going to be like f-ing Soul Train up in this bitch! I love it.

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Right now Springs is our only starting caliber cornerback on the team. Rogers and Smoot are nickel caliber currently. Therefore, any talk about releasing Springs would be devastating for our secondary, in my opinion, unless we have a clear #1 CB as a replacement.

We could use another corner for depth given the brittle nature of Springs (and Smoot for that matter). Instead of pursuing guys like Travis Fisher, I would like to see the Skins' FO end this cycle of rotating CBs and try to snatch Josh Wilson in the draft. I think we'll need to try to get a third rounder from someone to do it--but how about getting a young guy in there so that next year--when we will be contemplating dumping Springs again--we don't have to go through this merry go round again.

Alternatively, maybe a veteran CB will be let go post June 1 cuts and he could round out our CB depth.

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There's nothing nickel about either of them. Both Smoot AND Rogers are starting corners, Smoot borders on #1 ability. Let's stop the lemming-mentality, Rogers didn't have that bad of a year.

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#1 corners can be placed on an island to single cover the other teams best reciever. I am confident that Springs can do that. Does anyone think that Smoot or Rogers could do that? Could they do that on the other teams 2nd receiver? Well Mike Tomlin and Greg Williams don't think so--since Smoot was on the bench in Minnesota and Rogers needed safety help most of the season.

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with those guys imagine drafting a guy like Josh Wilson of Maryland for depth and you have a decent secondary. Did Wright get cut?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;283425]There's nothing nickel about either of them. Both Smoot AND Rogers are starting corners, Smoot borders on #1 ability. Let's stop the lemming-mentality, Rogers didn't have that bad of a year.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you could make the case that the Rogers-bashing might have been overkill, but let's not fall into the notion that all our troubles are gone and we are worry-free with him either.

All he has to do is live up to his #9 overall status. Then the bashing will stop.

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I think it was unfair of people to expect that out of him right away. He had a good first year, a slightly average second year, and now it's his third year and he should be back to good again. While I don't think our problems are solved, I think that Rogers is getting a lot of undeserved blame.

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If he lived up to a [B]#39 [/B]status I think we'd all be thrilled as a matter of fact.

For the record, I am a card carrying Rogers basher and have been very disappointed in his play. My expectations are biased due to his top draft billing; however, I am still hopeful (and actually optimistic) that he will perform better this year and prove me and the other doubters wrong. After his third year, we'll know a lot more about Rogers.

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as I said with smoot...whatever has to be done...has to be done to ink smoot and keep springs. Period. whether springs plays safety or cb. Think about playing these five in nickle or dime.....rogers,smoot, springs, taylor, and whoever else and that looks real good one paper. sneak AA on a blitz....sure sounds good.

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I think it is crucial for Springs to stick around, the guy is a good player when healthy, and he is the only real depth we have at the CB position.

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[quote=RMSkins;283485]I think it is crucial for Springs to stick around, the guy is a good player when healthy, and he is the only real depth we have at the CB position.[/quote]

I agree that he is crucial, not for depth, but for the fact that he is the only guy (whether we sign Smoot or not) that has proven that he can take on the other team's number one. If they let him go, the secondary is in worse shape than it was last year.

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If Freddy comes in, I predict a big year out of Rogers. Last year there was nobody who could challenge him for his starting spot. A friendly competition between Rogers and Smoot can only help the team.