Brandon Lloyd is not a bust! YET
 

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phcu8t8whWw]YouTube - Brandon Lloyd crazy one-handed catch[/url]

I've seen a lot of comments about Lloyd being a bust throughout various threads
Does anyone stop to think it may not be his fault?

Until the end of last year we have had a very conservative offense.
Also Brunell didn't exactly light it up.

With Campbell having some starting experience and Saunders system starting to take shape I believe Lloyd will be a very productive player for us.

The link is a freak catch when he was with S.F

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I Am Not Going To Pay Alot For This Muffler!!!!

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I'll say it was awsome but with todays standards thats not a catch.
1. did he have control before his feet slid out of bounds?
2. this is the big one: if you look closely when he lands the ball moves/bounces when it hits the ground between his forearms. I belive this would be ruled no catch.
I know this seems like I'm being picky but I'm not. I do belive he had a great catch at the beginning of our season as well. but one catch does not make a great player. Hopefully this year with Jason at the helm and everyone knowing Saunders offense better the ball will be spread around better.

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So are you saying just because he had a spectacular catch with another team makes him not a bust with us?????......but anyways I am rooting for Lloyd I hope he adjusts his additude this year and become a productive player for us.

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[quote=SBXVII;284254]I'll say it was awsome but with todays standards thats not a catch.
1. did he have control before his feet slid out of bounds?
2. this is the big one: if you look closely when he lands the ball moves/bounces when it hits the ground between his forearms. I belive this would be ruled no catch.
I know this seems like I'm being picky but I'm not. I do belive he had a great catch at the beginning of our season as well. but one catch does not make a great player. Hopefully this year with Jason at the helm and everyone knowing Saunders offense better the ball will be spread around better.[/quote]


Don't hate, that was phenomenal. The feet were down the whole time and he had two hands locked under the ball when he hit the ground.

Lloyd needs to work with Rogers some.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;284254]I'll say it was awsome but with todays standards thats not a catch.
1. did he have control before his feet slid out of bounds?
2. this is the big one: if you look closely when he lands the ball moves/bounces when it hits the ground between his forearms. I belive this would be ruled no catch.
I know this seems like I'm being picky but I'm not. I do belive he had a great catch at the beginning of our season as well. but one catch does not make a great player. Hopefully this year with Jason at the helm and everyone knowing Saunders offense better the ball will be spread around better.[/QUOTE]

1. Thats a catch
2. The link was just to show he has some sick skills. Isn't it common sense that one catch doesn't make a player great?

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Ok guys. My first post. Nice to meet you all. thanks for allowing me to be apart of the commentary. However it was my sarcastic humor coming out. I was going to post something else along the lines of how (I belive Moss) a Redskin had a catch similar and it was ruled no catch.lol. If you remember they used some lame excuse that there was no football move and he did not have the ball tucked in to his body.lol.

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Welcome SBXVII.

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okay, so one good catch cancels the fact that he goes mia for games at a time?

when he was signed last year, people kept linking to a stupid highlight reel on youtube that had 4-5 catches replayed about 5 times each... if you can't fill a crappy 2minute highlight reel, you're not worth the kind of money he got signed to. yes, he'd make one good catch, but what about the rest of the game after he disappeared?

sorry, he's got a lot of work to do if he wants to prove he belongs here.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;284262]okay, so one good catch cancels the fact that he goes mia for games at a time?

when he was signed last year, people kept linking to a stupid highlight reel on youtube that had 4-5 catches replayed about 5 times each... if you can't fill a crappy 2minute highlight reel, you're not worth the kind of money he got signed to. yes, he'd make one good catch, but what about the rest of the game after he disappeared?

sorry, he's got a lot of work to do if he wants to prove he belongs here.[/QUOTE]

OMG are you serious ? Where in my thread says one good catch cancels anything?

IF YOUR ARGUMENT IS; (ONE CATCH DOESN'T DEFINE A CAREER) PLEASE DO NOT POST A REPLY TO THIS THREAD.

As for going MIA is there anything to back that up?

Like you went to a game and watched him and never got separation.

My argument is he has skills and his MIA is because of the quarterback and the system.

please reply with some insight.

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every player must seem to have skill before they become a bust. You can't exactly ever be a bust unless there are high expectations due to your prior skill.

Explain what he did on this team that showed he wasn't a bust. Was he open all the time and the QBs couldn't get it to him? I don't really feel that was the case. Now he had a bad year, so i am going to agree that he isn't a bust just yet. I say this because one bad year doesn't mean a bust. We'll see how he and jason work things out and see what happens next year.

That catch doesn't make him less of a bust. That catch makes him more of a bust because that is what he is capable of.

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[quote=wbecker999;284268]OMG are you serious ? Where in my thread says one good catch cancels anything?

IF YOUR ARGUMENT IS; (ONE CATCH DOESN'T DEFINE A CAREER) PLEASE DO NOT POST A REPLY TO THIS THREAD.

As for going MIA is there anything to back that up?

Like you went to a game and watched him and never got separation.

My argument is he has skills and his MIA is because of the quarterback and the system.

please reply with some insight.[/quote]With all due respect, if you are going to put standards on a response to your arguement, you may want to apply similar standards to your own argument first.

From what I can tell, your argument is that it the QBs fault that Lloyd suck. He has played with guys like Cody Pickett and Ken Dorsey, but he's also played with guys like Tim Rattay, Mark Brunell, and Jason Campbell...and he still has yet to put together a solid season in 4 attempts.

He was a 4th round pick coming out of college, so the scouts didn't think much of him then and he hasn't done a whole lot to prove them wrong. He certainly has a talent for making unbelieveable catches, unfortunately its that and that alone that's kept him around for this long.

Ask his QBs how much of a help he is. Spectacular sideline catches are one thing, but I'm sure most QBs would rather have a guy who goes up in traffic and makes the tough catches.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;284270]With all due respect, if you are going to put standards on a response to your arguement, you may want to apply similar standards to your own argument first.

From what I can tell, your argument is that it the QBs fault that Lloyd suck. He has played with guys like Cody Pickett and Ken Dorsey, but he's also played with guys like Tim Rattay, Mark Brunell, and Jason Campbell...and he still has yet to put together a solid season in 4 attempts.

He was a 4th round pick coming out of college, so the scouts didn't think much of him then and he hasn't done a whole lot to prove them wrong. He certainly has a talent for making unbelieveable catches, unfortunately its that and that alone that's kept him around for this long.

Ask his QBs how much of a help he is. Spectacular sideline catches are one thing, but I'm sure most QBs would rather have a guy who goes up in traffic and makes the tough catches.[/QUOTE]


I don't classify Rattay, Brunell,and Campbell (As a Rookie)as good quarterbacks.

Do you think if he had Farve or Manning throwing to him he would be a bust?

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wow, before pitifully attempting to call me out, why don't YOU try shedding some insight on why you made this ridiculous thread about why he ISN'T a bust since that's the widely held view of his career. If you want to make that assertion, what proof do you have that he isn't? like YOU went to every game and seen him get this separation.

I can point to the fact that he had the WORST SEASON of ANY starting wide receiver in the history of the super bowl era as proof that he goes mia. your response?

you're making excuses for him without any proof. you implied that he's not a bust and then link to a single catch on youtube follow by some retarded logic that only makes sense to you and contains no facts.

please, before asking someone to reply with actual insight, make sure you thread isn't completely worthless, and that you apply the same standards to your own posts.

hypocrite.

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[quote=wbecker999;284271]I don't classify Rattay, Brunell,and Campbell (As a Rookie)as good quarterbacks.

Do you think if he had Farve or Manning throwing to him he would be a bust?[/quote]

there are plenty of WRs that can deal with crappy QBs, like boldin in arizona (or fitzgerald), randy moss had 1000 yards with kerry collins, joe horn with aaron brooks, etc etc etc.

that's a really bogus arguement. try again.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;284273]wow, before pitifully attempting to call me out, why don't YOU try shedding some insight on why you made this ridiculous thread about why he ISN'T a bust since that's the widely held view of his career. If you want to make that assertion, what proof do you have that he isn't? like YOU went to every game and seen him get this separation.

I can point to the fact that he had the WORST SEASON of ANY starting wide receiver in the history of the super bowl era as proof that he goes mia. your response?

you're making excuses for him without any proof. you implied that he's not a bust and then link to a single catch on youtube follow by some retarded logic that only makes sense to you and contains no facts.

please, before asking someone to reply with actual insight, make sure you thread isn't completely worthless, and that you apply the same standards to your own posts.

hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

When I called you out the "one catch doesn't define a career" was the only argument I was getting. I don't think that was an intelligent argument especially since my thread didn't imply that. Now if you are still defending your stupid argument that someone else already used before you go ahead.

As for my stupid logic . What's so hard to understand? Lloyd will not be a bust with a good quarterback and a better system.

My proof is I watched all of the redskins game last year. While watching them games I have seen Lloyd open several times especially deep with no one able to get him the deep ball.

Also his yards per catch average at 15.9 is among the best in the league topping Chad Johnson and Santana Moss.

And before you get on a roll about that fact I'm not claiming he is better than either of them players and I realize he had less catches.

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My original thread should have stated

Brandon Lloyd is not a bust! [COLOR="Magenta"]YET[/COLOR]

All I'm saying is give him a chance with a good system and quarterback before we call him a bust.

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[quote=That Guy;284274]there are plenty of WRs that can deal with crappy QBs, like boldin in arizona (or fitzgerald), randy moss had 1000 yards with kerry collins, joe horn with aaron brooks, etc etc etc.

that's a really bogus arguement. try again.[/quote]

Collins and Brooks look like Johnny Unitas compared to an injured Brunell last year.

Lloyd should have had at least one big game (Tampa) last year with Campbell. I say give him another year.

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With the caveat that he is not a bust "Yet", I'd agree. However, I think he is well on the way. He had a reputation for making phenomenal catches in SF but then disappearing for games. He has done nothing to refute that reputation.

Besides, physical skills have never been an issue for Lloyd. Rather, it's the fact that he is a total head case that appears to be his stumbling block. He has apparently pissed off not only his teammates but everyone in Redskin Park down to the janitor. In a the Tampa game, he blames a dropped pass (that would have been an easy TD) on the fact that he was overthrown by 10 yards and, in doing so, throws his QB (Campbell) under the bus.

No, he's not a bust yet. Maybe with JC he will be a consistent downfield threat that will work to help his QB. I doubt it. But who knows - maybe he gets his mind right. 'Cause what we got now is a failure to communicate.

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wbecker999, why would you call someone out for replying to your thread? I can assure you that whenever you post something, people will reply who agree and disagree. Each will back up thier arguments with different logic, sometimes emotional, sometimes statistical.

It is especially notable that you, with 50-ish posts, call out someone with 11,000+ posts for disagreeing with you. If one had to guess which one of the two of you would know when and why it would be appropriate to reply...

As far as LLoyd, I'm not sure if he will ever really come around as a reciever. I will say this. I, as probably every guy on this board has, watched every game last season as you did, and Lloyd has a tendency to fall down while making a catch. This is hurting him, but can possibly be corrected. His biggest contributions were in his blocking. I thought he was an outstanding blocker at WR and directly allowed some other guys to score TDs.

Still, to not be labeled a bust, he will have to become more consistent. Some of that is QB, but some of that is WR. This same argument was made for Taylor Jacobs and especially Rod Gardner (who went on to play with Favre and did nothing).

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[QUOTE=wbecker999;284276]
Also his yards per catch average at 15.9 is among the best in the league topping Chad Johnson and Santana Moss.

[/QUOTE]

cue the laugh track.

Dude, did you read any of the articles about the Skins this year? Lloyd has psychological problems that go way beyond his ability as a player, and as the Post pointed out in one of their post-season exposes, exceed anything a coach can help him with. The belief is that he needs professional help.

Do you remember him being demoted for throwing his helmet during the Atlanta game? What about when he let a touchdown pass sail through his arms and then had the audacity to blame it on Campbell? Did you read about the way that he alienated everyone on the team, from the stars down to the training staff? Did you hear Portis on John Thompson call him out for being a bad teammate?

I like most people on this board hope that Lloyd can turn things around next year and make an impact. But to suggest that, as of right now, he is anything other than a disaster is folly. And you will have to do better than suggesting that maybe it's the quarterback's fault to convince me or anyone else here otherwise.

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[quote]Dude, did you read any of the articles about the Skins this year? Lloyd has psychological problems that go way beyond his ability as a player, and as the Post pointed out in one of their post-season exposes, exceed anything a coach can help him with. The belief is that he needs professional help.[/quote]
I find this interesting. Up until mid season this board was exploding about what a great character Lloyd was. Super supportive in the media, not getting the ball but still a team player, etc etc. Personally, I feel Lloyd could be a great receiver. There were times where Lloyd was open and didn't get the ball, and there were times where he dropped it. The problem is, it's hard to throw to a receiver once every 3 weeks and expect him to be productive. I don't remember which game it was, but there was one game where the first 6-8 passes were thrown at Lloyd, he caught every one and made decent gains. Yet after that we totally abandoned him.

I find it interesting that he's a bad character all of a sudden. I still go back to the Chris Cooley interview on EITM when he said the locker room guys love Lloyd, and a lot of the problems stem from him wearing a hate that said **** in big letters on it. That hat didn't sit well with Gibbs, directly after that we're hearing he's awful in the locker room?

I think the guy could be great. Like everyone else he has a year in the system under his belt. He could be our most productive WR. We need to use his talents, give him the jump balls. I love Lloyd's ability, and since we went after him and ARE instead of a possession receiver, we need to use his leaping ability as a replacement for the big body type guy.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;284273]wow, before pitifully attempting to call me out, why don't YOU try shedding some insight on why you made this ridiculous thread about why he ISN'T a bust since that's the widely held view of his career. If you want to make that assertion, what proof do you have that he isn't? like YOU went to every game and seen him get this separation.

I can point to the fact that he had the WORST SEASON of ANY starting wide receiver in the history of the super bowl era as proof that he goes mia. your response?

you're making excuses for him without any proof. you implied that he's not a bust and then link to a single catch on youtube follow by some retarded logic that only makes sense to you and contains no facts.

please, before asking someone to reply with actual insight, make sure you thread isn't completely worthless, and that you apply the same standards to your own posts.

hypocrite.[/QUOTE] My take on Lloyd was not such a good season. But a bust NO!!! That is yet to be seen. If you put S.Moss numbers up against what he did the year before he didn't do so well in 06. The fact is changing QB's in the middle of a season to a guy[Campbell] that had no NFL games under his belt will hurt a O and the players on it. A matter of fact the O's strong point was running the ball not passing in 06. Now Lloyd along with the rest of the WR's and JC will be much better with a off season to work together along with preseason to get on the same page. Then we will really know if Lloyd or even Randle El[who didn't have great numbers as well] are bust!

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[QUOTE=Daseal;284291]I find this interesting. Up until mid season this board was exploding about what a great character Lloyd was. Super supportive in the media, not getting the ball but still a team player, etc etc. Personally, I feel Lloyd could be a great receiver. There were times where Lloyd was open and didn't get the ball, and there were times where he dropped it. The problem is, it's hard to throw to a receiver once every 3 weeks and expect him to be productive. I don't remember which game it was, but there was one game where the first 6-8 passes were thrown at Lloyd, he caught every one and made decent gains. Yet after that we totally abandoned him.

I find it interesting that he's a bad character all of a sudden. I still go back to the Chris Cooley interview on EITM when he said the locker room guys love Lloyd, and a lot of the problems stem from him wearing a hate that said **** in big letters on it. That hat didn't sit well with Gibbs, directly after that we're hearing he's awful in the locker room?

I think the guy could be great. Like everyone else he has a year in the system under his belt. He could be our most productive WR. We need to use his talents, give him the jump balls. I love Lloyd's ability, and since we went after him and ARE instead of a possession receiver, we need to use his leaping ability as a replacement for the big body type guy.[/QUOTE]

well said

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[QUOTE=Daseal;284291]I find it interesting that he's a bad character all of a sudden. I still go back to the Chris Cooley interview on EITM when he said the locker room guys love Lloyd, and a lot of the problems stem from him wearing a hate that said **** in big letters on it. That hat didn't sit well with Gibbs, directly after that we're hearing he's awful in the locker room?[/QUOTE]

I agree that early on everyone loved him and thought, essentially, "Wow - what a great team guy. Those reports out of SF must be wrong [OR] SF is so screwed up, of course he got a bad rap." Then more than one source reported BL being difficult and having issues in the locker room. Then the big argument with El on the sideline and other sideline blow-ups.

While, the hat may have been an issue, I seriously doubt that JG would bench a productive receiver for that issue alone. JG may have taken him I aside and reminded him that "hey, this is a family entertainment league". I know u think JG has a christian bias that affects his football decisions, I would suggest, however, that he wants football players first. If they happen to be christians, all the better in JG's opinion. JG has always been about winning and, as evidenced from the first time around, he will use/play and deal with football players whose bent is different then his. (ex. John Riggins, D. Manley).

As to the "sudden" turn of opinion on Lloyd, it may also have taken six months of playing with him to realize he was a dick. Perhaps, just perhaps, there wasn't some sinister christian plot to bench and carry out a character assasination on Lloyd. Perhaps, just perhaps, it just took that long for his true colors to come out.

Lighten up Daseal, baby.

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10 million dollars up front, 30 million dollar contract extension, and no TD's, as the #2 receiver on the team. Now, however you want to look at it , that classifies his first year with the team a BUST. I dont care who the QB is. There are 4th and 5th string receivers catching TD's that may get a ball thrown their way 1 our of 2 or 3 games. I think ole B. Lloyd needs to come down a notch and realize he is not the star he thinks he is. No doubt the guy has talent. Speed, and hands that seem to be pretty damn good. He should be owning #2 or #3 corners in this league. Until he gets this attitude of "why me?" out of his head, he could be a productive WR for us. Santana Moss should help the guy out. Hopefully Joe's little talk and discipline at the end of the year turned the light on for the guy. There is a chance this offense could really put some points and numbers up if they all work together and not so caught up in getting the ball. They have to realize Santana is going to get most of the balls, but this offense will spread it out if the guys get open.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;284288]cue the laugh track.

Dude, did you read any of the articles about the Skins this year? Lloyd has psychological problems that go way beyond his ability as a player, and as the Post pointed out in one of their post-season exposes, exceed anything a coach can help him with. The belief is that he needs professional help.

Do you remember him being demoted for throwing his helmet during the Atlanta game? What about when he let a touchdown pass sail through his arms and then had the audacity to blame it on Campbell? Did you read about the way that he alienated everyone on the team, from the stars down to the training staff? Did you hear Portis on John Thompson call him out for being a bad teammate?

I like most people on this board hope that Lloyd can turn things around next year and make an impact. But to suggest that, as of right now, he is anything other than a disaster is folly. And you will have to do better than suggesting that maybe it's the quarterback's fault to convince me or anyone else here otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Nicely put.

Wbecker - I am curious as to your response to the multiple reports and comments from players about Lloyd being a crappy teammate. Or are you of the great "JG christianity conspiracy" camp?

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[quote=wbecker999;284276]When I called you out the "one catch doesn't define a career" was the only argument I was getting. I don't think that was an intelligent argument especially since my thread didn't imply that. Now if you are still defending your stupid argument that someone else already used before you go ahead.

As for my stupid logic . What's so hard to understand? Lloyd will not be a bust with a good quarterback and a better system.

My proof is I watched all of the redskins game last year. While watching them games I have seen Lloyd open several times especially deep with no one able to get him the deep ball.

Also his yards per catch average at 15.9 is among the best in the league topping Chad Johnson and Santana Moss.

And before you get on a roll about that fact I'm not claiming he is better than either of them players and I realize he had less catches.[/quote]

here's what's stupid - I never made a one catch defines a career argument, that's you shadow boxing a phantom, and it's retarded.

I watched the same games you did, I saw a crappy receiver, and i put up stats to back that up instead of opinions with no real basis. He had less catches FOR A REASON - he's not that good. santana still produced, cooley still produced, and randle el still had some production compared to him.

can he turn it around? maybe, but as of right now, he's been a complete bust. And next time, before calling something stupid, how about something less worthless then the "because i said so" argument. there's nothing more idiotic and illogical than that. you asked for insight, yet you've provided none.

as for the character thing, go back to andre carter's first interview. when they asked him about brandon lloyd's character, he got REAL quiet. go and listen to portis's post season 980 interview where he called lloyd out for being a total b***h to everyone in the locker room. read the quotes from his interactions with saunders and his ability to always blame someone else when things don't go right. look at what a multitude of 49ers fans have been saying about his character over the last couple of years.

oh yeah, 15.9ypc isn't even close to being near the best in the league. devery henderson is at 23.3, bryant johnson 18.5, antonio bryant 18.3, nate washington 17.8, etc etc etc... even drew bennet (that raging ball of speed) is at 16.0ypc), so saying 15.9 is among the best in the league is just flat out wrong.

btw, rod gardner played with favre, brandon stokley played with peyton manning, neither managed to do much besides 1 good season.

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I agree with the "not a bust YET" opinion. Last year, everybody except Betts and the O-line pretty much sucked in comparison to our expectations. I'm a nice guy and tend to think that rookies and first year players probably should get a first year pass. Hopefully we can expect much better things from a dozen or more Redskins starters in 2007.

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Maybe we can kill two birds here.
In honor of Joe2 and his all dominating Christian mentality (Warning: satire in progress) and to get the Indians off our backs, we could rename the team the................CRUSADERS, INQUISITORS??????

And by the way, unless it works for us from a dollar standpoint, we need to indoctrinate BL into the fold. He's a dumbass for wearing the hat, but he can be a dumbass and still produce.....lose the hat. If that doesn't work out kick his ass out

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;284343]I agree with the "not a bust YET" opinion. Last year, everybody except Betts and the O-line pretty much sucked in comparison to our expectations. I'm a nice guy and tend to think that rookies and first year players probably should get a first year pass. Hopefully we can expect much better things from a dozen or more Redskins starters in 2007.[/QUOTE]
I think and hope you are right. I saw Campbell get better as the season ended. With that the passing game will get better. Lets face it we have four very good receivers and if Campbell gets the ball we will be all right. My question is the OL at guard and depth!

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;284337]10 million dollars up front, 30 million dollar contract extension, and no TD's, as the #2 receiver on the team. Now, however you want to look at it , that classifies his first year with the team a BUST. I dont care who the QB is. There are 4th and 5th string receivers catching TD's that may get a ball thrown their way 1 our of 2 or 3 games. I think ole B. Lloyd needs to come down a notch and realize he is not the star he thinks he is. No doubt the guy has talent. Speed, and hands that seem to be pretty damn good. He should be owning #2 or #3 corners in this league. Until he gets this attitude of "why me?" out of his head, he could be a productive WR for us. Santana Moss should help the guy out. Hopefully Joe's little talk and discipline at the end of the year turned the light on for the guy. There is a chance this offense could really put some points and numbers up if they all work together and not so caught up in getting the ball. They have to realize Santana is going to get most of the balls, but this offense will spread it out if the guys get open.[/QUOTE]

Lloyd will be turning 26 this year maybe he will adopt a more veteran like attitude.
Most of his problem is attitude
He was still full of piss an vinegar last year
hopefully Gibbs has him on the right track this year

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Well, it would appear that B. Lloyd is well on his way to the hall of fame with a signature catch like that! If that's what you need for membershp, then he's a shoe in for sure!

Seriously though, being a Redskins fan is tough, because we always get our hopes up in the offseason, and then get them smashed to the ground once the regular season roles around. So, I try not to get my hopes up as much as I used to, but look at it from a more realistic standpoint.

Realisticly, IMO, not that I know for sure what is realistic and what is not, is that no one really knows for sure right now whether or not Lloyd is a bust or not. There's no sense in hyping him and saying, oh wow this man can make some spectacular catches, he'll be great for us next year, cause we all know he also doesn't show up sometimes.

In addition, I don't think there's much sense in saying that he's a huge mistake at this point because of some attitude problems and dropped passes, because we have seen glimpses of him making some great plays.

And then there's the other part of the equation, that it was the first year in the new offense, with two different quarterbacks, who maybe could not get him the ball. Or, maybe he just wasn't open! I'm not really convinced that anyone on the Warpath really knows for sure.

It seems like there's two sides to this guy, kinda like a Doctor Jeckel and Mr. Hide type deal. Let's just hope somehow in the offseason we can keep Mr. Hyde from coming around too much. Or maybe, instead of Mr. Hyde, he can turn into the Hulk on game days and just smash our opponents, that would be good too.

I guess my point is, I don't see why there's such a hostile argument over whether or not he's a bust after one season. I mean, we all want the guy to be good, and I don't think there's overwhelming evidence in either direction of the argument after just one season. Let's just hope he pans out!

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[quote=wbecker999;284366]Lloyd will be turning 26 this year maybe he will adopt a more veteran like attitude.
Most of his problem is attitude
He was still full of piss an vinegar last year
hopefully Gibbs ha him on the right track this year[/quote]

the problem is he has a long track record of having a bad-itude (R), and there's no real reason to expect him to change any more than expecting TO or randy moss to change their attitude. It'd be nice if it happened though, he'd get a lot further that way.

Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!
 

We draft Calvin Johnson if he's available at #6, enough said.

Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!
 

[quote=That Guy;284273]wow, before pitifully attempting to call me out, why don't YOU try shedding some insight on why you made this ridiculous thread about why he ISN'T a bust since that's the widely held view of his career. If you want to make that assertion, what proof do you have that he isn't? like YOU went to every game and seen him get this separation.

I can point to the fact that he had the WORST SEASON of ANY starting wide receiver in the history of the super bowl era as proof that he goes mia. your response?

you're making excuses for him without any proof. you implied that he's not a bust and then link to a single catch on youtube follow by some retarded logic that only makes sense to you and contains no facts.

please, before asking someone to reply with actual insight, make sure you thread isn't completely worthless, and that you apply the same standards to your own posts.

hypocrite.[/quote]

Well said. Questioning whether Lloyd was a bust last year isn't even debatable. Until he finds the end zone, we'd be better off treating him as the non-entity that he has been in this offense.

Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!
 

I don't think he's a bust at all. It was a hard year FOR EVERYONE. I think he has a ton of talent. I'm glad he's a Redskin.

Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!
 

"We see eye to eye, we're on the same page and I'm playing on Sunday. It's one of those things that happen that you learn from and move on," Lloyd said. "[B]I've had this personality since I was about 5 years old. And if I ever thought it was a problem, I would have changed it. I'm okay with this kind of attention. So if I thought it was a problem, I would have changed it 20 years ago.[/B]" -Washington Post

Is anyone else horrified by these comments? Is this guy simply not very smart/articulate to where he doesn't know what he's actually saying?

I mean really, The guy has been paid all this money, sucked it up, and is pissing everyone off around him. Alot of people under-estimate the necessity for character on a team and I really believe Lloyd lacks the kind of character you want on a championship team.

He's immature, selfish, not a very good football player, and highly over-paid. I tend to side with the argument that you can't call him a bust unless his time is up here with us, but I can say, he's aqcuired alot of bust-like characteristics.

[I]"Other Redskins players and personnel members said Lloyd has not always endeared himself to his teammates or support staff because of his moodiness and temper."[/I]

The guy is looney, and spazzes out over insignificant shit... he's been a problem, and I don't think anyone has any reason to think he won't be one next year. I say get rid of him while we have the chance...

If we keep Lloyd, I really really really hope I'm wrong on this one.

Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!
 

It's hard to look at last year and say he was anything but a bust.

Hopefully he can get back on track this year, we really need him to step up.

Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!
 

Brandon Lloyd is yet another example of how "character," derided by many as an irrelevant consideration in evaluating a player, actually does matter. Lloyd was a bust last year, but let's hope that Gibbs can turn this guy around and make him a productive member of the team.