3/6/07 WP's JLC Rumors: Denver-Washington Trade, Bly, Okoye
 

Below are some interesting tidbits about a possible trade between Denver and Washington.

[B]More Dre Bly[/B]
As I've been writing since Sunday, don't rule out a Dre Bly trade. I continue to hear this cat is pushing to get to DC bigtime, and it seems like the trade talks are still on. The stuff I hear just won't go away and I am beginning to think it is going to happen.

Denver does not want to give Bly an extension, but the Redskins will. I heard today that these trade talks actually stretch back to before the combine and have taken on various forms (including the Springs for Bly proposed swap that the Broncos killed because the Skins wanted cap relief, as reported first on this lil blog Sunday).

So now the Broncos are bringing in corner David Macklin and are open to dealing Bly. And the Broncos have a hardcore interest in Washington's sixth overall pick, numerous league sources have told me, and the Redskins remain very open to dealing it. As I've reported previously, the Redskins are also deadset on trying to get that third-round pick back from Denver they lost in the Duckett deal.

And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

In that scenario, the Skins would make a big play for the 19-year-old defensive lineman from Louisville, Okoye, to address that need, and get young offensive and defensive linemen with the additional picks (I hear they love this kid by the way). Also, Springs would likely get traded for picks (don't rule out him landing in Detroit, Arizona or even Baltimore) and Bly gets his money in Washington.

And trust me, I am not going to put everything I know out there right now, but the Skins could make this happen cap-wise, with little problem.

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if it's our #1 for their #1+#2/3+bly, then i say thats a good deal for the skins.

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This trade, or a form of it, would be cause for all of us to heap tons and tons of praise upon the front office. I really hope it happens. A move like this would show me this team is beginning to wise up when it comes to the right way to build a team.

I hope I hope I hope!

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This is going to be interesting to see how this unfolds???
Sure sounds like some sort of a trade is eminent between the SKINS and denver???
Maybe SS will be gettin outta here.....up until very recently I had no idea they were so far apart? I still like a HEALTHY SS OVER BLY....if there is such a thing?
Sure would be nice to get that third round pick back, from those tards!
On that waste DEAD BEAT DUCKETT.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285182]And trust me, I am not going to put everything I know out there right now, but the Skins could make this happen cap-wise, with little problem.[/quote]


i like that part of the post. i'm guessing he's referring to all the cut the skins could still make (hall,wynn,daniels...etc.)

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You think Okoye will still be there at 21?

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Ugh. I dont know if I trust our front office not to mess this up. I would say our #6 is worth Denver's 1, 2, and our 3. Or 1 , 2 and Bly. Seriously dont think we can get anything higher than a 3 for Springs. We need to stop making deals with Denver. I still think our best play will be with Minnesota, Houston or Miami on the potential Quinn falling situation.

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[quote=SmootSmack;285192]You think Okoye will still be there at 21?[/quote]

That's the thing. When a sportswriter writes a column like this I wonder what kind of time does this guy actuallly put into his job. We can't make a play on Okoye if we make this deal because he will be long long long gone and any kind of football writer would know this and that leads me to believe this writer is garbage. Oh wait. What paper does he write for again? JLC has so little access to the team it's no wonder he has lost interest in actually following the NFL.

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[quote=SmootSmack;285192]You think Okoye will still be there at 21?[/quote]

no chance.

however...
we trade #6 for bly + #21 + #42, then we can trade springs for the lions 2nd rounder and try to package a 1/2 to move up for okoye, while still having (hopefully) an early 2nd rounder for an OG or a DE, depending on if we find a cheap place holder at OG in free agency or not. we could also use the 2nd that's left on a DE and use all the late picks on interior linemen, hoping one works out.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;285197]That's the thing. When a sportswriter writes a column like this I wonder what kind of time does this guy actuallly put into his job. We can't make a play on Okoye if we make this deal because he will be long long long gone and any kind of football writer would know this and that leads me to believe this writer is garbage. Oh wait. What paper does he write for again? JLC has so little access to the team it's no wonder he has lost interest in actually following the NFL.[/QUOTE]

JLC has very good access actually. And, as That Guy pointed out to me (and all of us here) JLC didn't say they'd use the #21 pick to select Okoye but that they would make a big play to get him (as in trade up to get him), but still have extra picks

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[quote=wilsowilso;285197]That's the thing. When a sportswriter writes a column like this I wonder what kind of time does this guy actuallly put into his job. We can't make a play on Okoye if we make this deal because he will be long long long gone and any kind of football writer would know this and that leads me to believe this writer is garbage. Oh wait. What paper does he write for again? JLC has so little access to the team it's no wonder he has lost interest in actually following the NFL.[/quote]

No offense, but you definitely don't know what you're talking about on JLC. The guy is a serious insider and nobody puts in the time he does. He updates his blog on Sunday nights, of all times.

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[quote=That Guy;285200]no chance.

however...
we trade #6 for bly + #21 + #42, then we can trade springs for the lions 2nd rounder and try to package a 1/2 to move up for okoye, while still having (hopefully) an early 2nd rounder for an OG or a DE, depending on if we find a cheap place holder at OG in free agency or not. we could also use the 2nd that's left on a DE and use all the late picks on interior linemen, hoping one works out.[/quote]

Yeah I agree, that seems to be their angle. Take a deal to gain more picks, and then spend some of those picks on trade ammo to move back up and get the guy they want.

Same thing happened when Ditka traded us his kit & kaboodle for Ricky Williams, and then we traded back up to grab Champ.

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im all for it anything to get extra picks. I really dont want to pay a big bonus for the sixth pick of the draft. We have tons of need we need to fill. This would give us a chance to do so.

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[quote=SmootSmack;285202]JLC has very good access actually. And, as That Guy pointed out to me (and all of us here) JLC didn't say they'd use the #21 pick to select Okoye but that they would make a big play to get him (as in trade up to get him), but still have extra picks[/quote]

He writes for the Post and unless I'm mistaken the mandate still stands. Snyder no likey the Post. Therfore the Post writer's like JLC have no access to what is really going on inside.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285182]Below are some interesting tidbits about a possible trade between Denver and Washington.

[B]More Dre Bly[/B]
As I've been writing since Sunday, don't rule out a Dre Bly trade. I continue to hear this cat is pushing to get to DC bigtime, and it seems like the trade talks are still on. The stuff I hear just won't go away and I am beginning to think it is going to happen.

Denver does not want to give Bly an extension, but the Redskins will. I heard today that these trade talks actually stretch back to before the combine and have taken on various forms (including the Springs for Bly proposed swap that the Broncos killed because the Skins wanted cap relief, as reported first on this lil blog Sunday).

So now the Broncos are bringing in corner David Macklin and are open to dealing Bly. And the Broncos have a hardcore interest in Washington's sixth overall pick, numerous league sources have told me, and the Redskins remain very open to dealing it. As I've reported previously, the Redskins are also deadset on trying to get that third-round pick back from Denver they lost in the Duckett deal.

And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

In that scenario, the Skins would make a big play for the 19-year-old defensive lineman from Louisville, Okoye, to address that need, and get young offensive and defensive linemen with the additional picks (I hear they love this kid by the way). Also, Springs would likely get traded for picks (don't rule out him landing in Detroit, Arizona or even Baltimore) and Bly gets his money in Washington.

And trust me, I am not going to put everything I know out there right now, but the Skins could make this happen cap-wise, with little problem.[/quote]

NFL Network has reported that Denver wants Betts in the deal as well.

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[quote=Schneed10;285205]No offense, but you definitely don't know what you're talking about on JLC. The guy is a serious insider and nobody puts in the time he does. He updates his blog on Sunday nights, of all times.[/quote]

SO what you are saying is JLC is a serious insider??? I have to disagree. What does he ever say that half of the the mods at extremeskins don't know two hours before he does.

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[quote=wilsowilso;285217]SO what you are saying is JLC is a serious insider??? I have to disagree. What does he ever say that half of the the mods at extremeskins don't know two hours before he does.[/quote]


man why are you laying into him so bad

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;285215]He writes for the Post and unless I'm mistaken the mandate still stands. Snyder no likey the Post. Therfore the Post writer's like JLC have no access to what is really going on inside.[/QUOTE]

There is no mandate keeping JLC out. He has good relationships within Redskins Park. And I'm sure the mods at ES get a lot of their info from him. JLC, being a professional, is a bit more diligent in determining the potential viability of his information before throwing it out there online.

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why would denver want betts when they just got travis henry?

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[quote=That Guy;285221]why would denver want betts when they just got travis henry?[/quote]


thats exactly what i said

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;285216]NFL Network has reported that Denver wants Betts in the deal as well.[/QUOTE]

I believe they also reported the Redskins said no to that. And I'm pretty sure the request was made prior to the Broncos signing Henry

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[quote=wilsowilso;285217]SO what you are saying is JLC is a serious insider??? I have to disagree. What does he ever say that half of the the mods at extremeskins don't know two hours before he does.[/quote]

Just because Snyder hates the Post doesn't mean he hates JLC. JLC has a lot of friends in the Redskins org. and i'm sure he doesn't have a problem getting info from them.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;285215]He writes for the Post and unless I'm mistaken the mandate still stands. Snyder no likey the Post. Therfore the Post writer's like JLC have no access to what is really going on inside.[/QUOTE]

Interesting since JLC basically said exactly what we were doing this offseason about 3 weeks ago.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;285219]man why are you laying into him so bad[/quote]

Dan Snyder has a horrible relationship with the Washington Post. JLC works for the Post. Do you honestly believe he is an insider? I'm just very skeptical of most sports writers when it comes to the Skins nowadays.

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Ok so I guess you the consensus is JLC knows what he is talking about.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;285230]Dan Snyder has a horrible relationship with the Washington Post. JLC works for the Post. Do you honestly believe he is an insider? I'm just very skeptical of most sports writers when it comes to the Skins nowadays.[/QUOTE]

Well, you think what you think. So do you turn to ES for all your Redskins info then?

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[quote=SmootSmack;285235]Well, you think what you think. So do you turn to ES for all your Redskins info then?[/quote]

No I don't Tafkas do you get all your inside info from the ESPN mothership?

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Why are people going after JLC? I mean lets face the guy has been the first to break every Redskin related story this offseason so give it a rest.

If you want to trash a source then go after PFT.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285182]So now the Broncos are bringing in corner David Macklin and are open to dealing Bly. And the Broncos have a hardcore interest in Washington's sixth overall pick, numerous league sources have told me, and the Redskins remain very open to dealing it. As I've reported previously, the Redskins are also deadset on trying to get that third-round pick back from Denver they lost in the Duckett deal.

I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

Also, Springs would likely get traded for picks (don't rule out him landing in Detroit, Arizona or even Baltimore) and Bly gets his money in Washington..[/QUOTE]

Great Info.

This sounds like a good idea, if we could go into the draft with a 1st round as well as a 2nd and 3rd along with Bly at CB and having gained alot more cap sapce given our trade of Springs, it is all positive.

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espn has a mothership?:funnypost :grouphug: :headbange

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;285237]No I don't Tafkas do you get all your inside info from the ESPN mothership?[/QUOTE]

I think I just got served. I get my "inside" info from ESPN, Comcast SportsNet, Sportstalk 980, local tv stations and other places I've worked or have friends who work in those places.

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[quote=skinsfan69;285216]NFL Network has reported that Denver wants Betts in the deal as well.[/quote]

If so, then I think we should drop the trade.. Because Betts is very valuable to Redskins.. I mean, Portis always get some kind of injuries and having Betts to release him from pressure.. I think it would help us out lot.. If the trade does not include Betts then I'm up for it..

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Maybe because JLC writes some brutal stuff about the organization I figured he was biased. He does work for the Post. Not to say the Redskins don't need local watchdogs because that's why the writers are so important, but why would Snyder want JLC to have any good info after some of the stuff he has published in the Post?? That's what I still don't understand? Not that Snyder can do much about it.

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New from JLC:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

Indepth discussion of old and new trade scenerios. Denver was offering a sweet deal before!

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I still doubt we'd get anything higher than a 3rd for Springs and I bet we'd get a 4th. The fact is the guy is aging fast, is coming off a injury-plagued season, and, rightly or wrongly, is perceived as injury-prone. If were a GM, I wouldn't give anything higher than a mid-4th for Springs and that would be pushing it. Don't get me wrong, I love Springs, but I don't think he has as much trade value as people might think.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285258]I still doubt we'd get anything higher than a 3rd for Springs and I bet we'd get a 4th. The fact is the guy is aging fast, is coming off a injury-plagued season, and, rightly or wrongly, is perceived as injury-prone. If were a GM, I wouldn't give anything higher than a mid-4th for Springs and that would be pushing it. Don't get me wrong, I love Springs, but I don't think he has as much trade value as people might think.[/quote]


exactly what i think we should unload him to denver for bly while we still have a chance

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Hypothetical Trade

Denver Gets
Round 1 Pick 6
Shawn Springs

Washington Gets
Round 1 Pick 21
Round 2 Pick 21
Round 3 Pick 21
Dre Bly

That would be an awesome trade....for us

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285258]I still doubt we'd get anything higher than a 3rd for Springs and I bet we'd get a 4th. The fact is the guy is aging fast, is coming off a injury-plagued season, and, rightly or wrongly, is perceived as injury-prone. If were a GM, I wouldn't give anything higher than a mid-4th for Springs and that would be pushing it. Don't get me wrong, I love Springs, but I don't think he has as much trade value as people might think.[/QUOTE]

The most trade value Shawn Springs has is on this board. The fact is that he CAN'T stay healthy. In 10 seasons he's missed at least 4 games 4 times. He's played in 16 games 3 times and 15 games 3 times. Another problem I have is that TO flat out has his number.

On the other hand, Dre Bly has missed 4 games only once in 8 seasons. He's even got 6 more career picks than Springs. Now, he takes more chances, but he's got 2 less seasons on him and a lot more seasons of not missing significant time.

Finally, as for him being a malcontent, I think most people would be in Detroit. I mean really, who wants to play in Detroit? All the Skins have to worry about is winning, if you win he won't say anything. Also, I doubt the Skins will miss Springs' "leadership," I mean, who else could they find to talk smack from the bench about guys who don't play their anymore in games they're not even going to try to go in?

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why not keep springs and move him to safety

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[quote=Dirtbag359;285262]Hypothetical Trade

Denver Gets
Round 1 Pick 6
Shawn Springs

Washington Gets
Round 1 Pick 21
Round 2 Pick 21
Round 3 Pick 21
Dre Bly

That would be an awesome trade....for us[/quote]

that's pretty tempting. we'd lose out on okoye though unless someone took betts for picks this late in the game.