With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams!!!
 

This stud would be replacing Daniels across from Carter.

2005 as a Junior he made 56 overall tackles, 15 for a loss, 9.5 sacks, 29 QB pressures and 3 forced fumbles.

2006 as a Senior he made 62 overall tackles, 17.5 for a loss, 12.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, and three fumble recoveries.

He's 6'5 261lbs and runs a 4.7 flat. Fastest time for any Defensive lineman in this upcoming class.

Was redshirted at Clemson in 2002. This guy is ready to start tomorrow!!

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[quote=JDALY27;287126]This stud would be replacing Daniels across from Carter.

2005 as a Junior he made 56 overall tackles, 15 for a loss, 9.5 sacks, 29 QB pressures and 3 forced fumbles.

2006 as a Senior he made 62 overall tackles, 17.5 for a loss, 12.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, and three fumble recoveries.

He's 6'5 261lbs and runs a 4.7 flat. Fastest time for any Defensive lineman in this upcoming class.

Was redshirted at Clemson in 2002. This guy is ready to start tomorrow!![/quote]
All those stats are well and good but you have to remember, this is the NFL not the ACC!

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Where would he play?

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I also like Adams, but I think they're gonna trade down, someone will want Quinn at our spot.

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This is like the # 6th thread about young buck, gaines. He is VERY talented. I'm just not so sure we won't end up giving that #6 up for some more draft picks.

They are aweful quite at REDSKIN park???? huuuummmm....

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I'd still rather get a DT who can clog up the middle and can open up the pass rush for Carter. I know Adams was a great pass rusher in college but I can't get all that excited about him.

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Adams is too small. Liability in the run game.

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[quote=pdid5000;287135]I also like Adams, but I think they're gonna trade down, someone will want Quinn at our spot.[/quote]

ESPN Insider reports Detroit at # 2 are very interested in Quinn.

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I'm pretty tired of beating this horse. BUT, I think we will make every effort to trade this pick down for a late first rounder and a couple more picks. That being said, I think Gaines Adams at this point would be better suited as an OLB in a 3-4 defense. At 255 lbs., he wouldn't be an effecitve run stopper at all, and we already have a DE under 270 lbs in Carter. Personally I'd rather have Alan Branch than Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson, but I'd rather trade down for more picks. We could still end up with Adam Carriker, Anthony Spencer, or Jarvis Moss late in Rd 1....

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[quote=Schneed10;287140]Adams is too small. Liability in the run game.[/quote]


Andre Carter is 6'4 265.

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i don't konw about that kid just, cuz where our front four is a problem for any team when healthy. So call me crazy but i love that safety from LSU, its not hard to find a good d-end, but safety don't come a dime a doszen these days. We can always find a vet d-end. Anyways our safety S.Taylor needs a tendem so he can do his thing and not always have to feel like his back there alone and tryin bite on pump fake just to make plays. I really think he feel like if he don't make a play back there no one else is. What ya think

Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;287136]This is like the # 6th thread about young buck, gaines. He is VERY talented. I'm just not so sure we won't end up giving that #6 up for some more draft picks.

They are aweful quite at REDSKIN park???? huuuummmm....[/quote]

If the Redskins can find a good trade I think this is the way to go. Too many holes to fill with just one high pick. Whoever is #6 will want a contract at least equal to what Vernon Davis got for being #6 from the 49ers - which is I believe is $23 million with a large portion being a signing bonus.

Why not gain additional picks and help out with the cap at the same time? Yes the #6 pick may be an impact player, but last I saw the depth on the Redskins is not too great and gaining additonal picks would at least give the team the chance to addressing this.

I know it takes 2 to tango and I am not saying the Redskins should trade just for the sake of trading - I don't like us having to give away to make a deal happen. I'm just saying if something that makes sense (preferably using the point system that most GM's use when making trades) I would be happy if they did this.

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Adams won't play at 261 as a pro. He has the frame for more weight. Chances are he won't lose a step at 275.

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[quote=JDALY27;287145]Andre Carter is 6'4 265.[/quote]Which is what the problem is.

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[QUOTE=JDALY27;287145]Andre Carter is 6'4 265.[/QUOTE]

Carter is a liability in run defense as well. The only way that having two pass rushing DEs will work is if you have two behemoth run stuffing DTs. We don't. If we want to stop the run, we need run stuffers.

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We pay Daniels and Wynn a lot of money for not very much production, and they are only getting older. It is rare that a pass rusher with this much production is ever available. He is light, but with Freeney and Peppers this definatly seems to be a trend.

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Was Carter the liability or was it Warrick Holdman?

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Carter started out very slowly. He really came into his own towards the end of the season though. He was not a liability against the run. He finished with 60 tackles and 6 sacks.

22 tackles and 3 sacks in the last 3 games.

I'm expecting him to be pro bowl level in 2007.

We have Griffin at DT and the new kid who looks good.

Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams
 

I think Carter really stepped it up at the end of last season. He seemed to have gotten very comfortable and had several solid performances.

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Malcom is right about Warrick friggin' Holdman with regard to run assistance, but Carter was still more of a liability than an asset in the run stopping department. Carter did step up his game as far as rushing the passer late in the season, but he got the nickname "Highway 99" for a reason. And I think Renaldo Wynn is gonna get cut...

Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams
 

[QUOTE=GMScud;287169]Malcom is right about Warrick friggin' Holdman with regard to run assistance, but Carter was still more of a liability than an asset in the run stopping department. Carter did step up his game as far as rushing the passer late in the season, but he got the nickname "Highway 99" for a reason. And I think Renaldo Wynn is gonna get cut...[/QUOTE]

I never understood why Wynn never got more of a luck at DT. He's not great at any position either position, but he could eat up space, I'd assume. However, none of that matters to me now, they should probably think about restructuring him rather than cutting him, IMO. I don't think they have enough depth to start cutting backups.

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[quote=jdlea;287173]I never understood why Wynn never got more of a luck at DT. He's not great at any position either position, but he could eat up space, I'd assume. However, none of that matters to me now, they should probably think about restructuring him rather than cutting him, IMO. I don't think they have enough depth to start cutting backups.[/quote]

From the depth stadnpoint I agree FOR NOW. BUT, if we can bring in a guy like Ian Scott, draft one of the sparkling DL talents in the first round, and hope Golston and Montgomery continue to improve, Wynn could be expendable. It's also important to note that Wynn has been asked to restructure to a $1.2M non-guaranteed contract, and if he doesn't he'll probably be cut June 1st. Cutting him would save us $2.5M!!

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adams has room for 15-25 more pounds, which, if he's willing to hit the weight room hard, could make him a much more complete player.

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I think there's a lot of upside with this guy. But one thing is clear: whether we sign Gaines Adams or Wednesday Addams, we have to figure out who we are on offense -- i.e., a Gibbs "grind 'em" team or a Saunders "mix-it-up" team. Our D was on the field way, way too much last year, and even the best talent will wilt eventually if you cannot sustain drives on offense. And without a beter offensive identity, it is unclear that we will do that.

In other words, players aside, the coaching needs to be better (never thought I'd say that of a Gibbs team).

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[quote=Schneed10;287140]Adams is too small. Liability in the run game.[/quote]Another Adre Carter. Good prospect but, not for us right now.

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the liability against the run was DT #2 (regarless of who was manning the position), carter, holdman, and marshall had a down year and got stuck on a lot of blocks do to blockers getting through to him.

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[quote=That Guy;287782]the liability against the run was DT #2 (regarless of who was manning the position), carter, holdman, and marshall had a down year and got stuck on a lot of blocks do to blockers getting through to him.[/quote]That may be true, but the big point is that we won't be able to play both Adams and Carter if we get them. One is fine, and gives us a solid pass rushing threat. In three years, Adams will probably be better than Carter, but theres just little value in such a move for our team in a time when getting all the value we can out of this pick is crucial.

On top of that, I think it was not only DT 2, but DT 1 and both ends. We just werent any good on the defensive line last year. I think we would have been much lower than 22 vs the run had we not had a secondary that thwarted all plays to the outside.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;287173]I never understood why Wynn never got more of a luck at DT. He's not great at any position either position, but he could eat up space, I'd assume. However, none of that matters to me now, they should probably think about restructuring him rather than cutting him, IMO. I don't think they have enough depth to start cutting backups.[/QUOTE]

Espec. a guy like Wynn, who is a big locker room guy too I'd like to keep around. I didnt think Wynn was too bad in his role last year as a backup, he was servicable as a backup, but we cant be paying him what we are for that role.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;287815]That may be true, but the big point is that we won't be able to play both Adams and Carter if we get them. One is fine, and gives us a solid pass rushing threat. In three years, Adams will probably be better than Carter, but theres just little value in such a move for our team in a time when getting all the value we can out of this pick is crucial.

On top of that, I think it was not only DT 2, but DT 1 and both ends. We just werent any good on the defensive line last year. I think we would have been much lower than 22 vs the run had we not had a secondary that thwarted all plays to the outside.[/QUOTE]

We were much lower against the run -- #27 to be exact.

Other than that, I agree with everything you said. Apart from Golston, Montgomery, and Carter, our defensive line is old, and they suck.

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[quote=Beemnseven;287840]We were much lower against the run -- #27 to be exact.

Other than that, I agree with everything you said. Apart from Golston, Montgomery, and Carter, our defensive line is old, and they suck.[/quote]Alright, good catch. That 27 is much closer to league average than it seems though.

1) by losing all those games, we got run on more than an average team
2) teams like the Jets and the Colts were SO bad against the run that it skews the average towards us

But the point I'm trying to make is that if it wasn't for our secondary, we would have been much worse against the run. We probably didn't have a top 30 defensive line last year.

Our pass defense couldn't have gotten any worse, but our run D certainly could have.

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[quote=GTripp0012;287841]Alright, good catch. That 27 is much closer to league average than it seems though.

1) by losing all those games, we got run on more than an average team
2) teams like the Jets and the Colts were SO bad against the run that it skews the average towards us

But the point I'm trying to make is that if it wasn't for our secondary, we would have been much worse against the run. We probably didn't have a top 30 defensive line last year.

Our pass defense couldn't have gotten any worse, but our run D certainly could have.[/quote]

Adams would be a major upgrade over Daniels. If Griffin stays healthy he's solid, Carter came on very strong late. We plug in Golston or Montgomery at DT # 2.

Already Have a major MLB upgrade, Washinton outside, and Rocky or Marshall weakside.

Rogers, Springs, Smoot fight it out for 2 spots.

Taylor

SS ?????????

Looks like AA is toast, based on Post article.

I think we're fine on Defense. It was a record setting bad year in 06' with most of the same personel that was ranked top 10 the year before. They will be hungry to be much better and create more opportunities for victory in 07.

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Old, Injured, and Over-Paid is a fair characterization of our D-Line. It desperately needs attention, and it cannot be completed in one offseason. Of all the various weaknesses this team has, D-Line is the greatest, and efforts should be made in this draft to address that need whether it be at DE or DT.

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well, adams could commit to putting on 20 pounds, he has space for it, or carriker could be the choice. i'm more up on okoye though.

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why? is he an end or a tackle? you are my resident draft expert. im surprised matty and the boys havent come up with something for you here. a draft forum, maybe?

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[QUOTE=That Guy;287873]well, adams could commit to putting on 20 pounds, he has space for it, or carriker could be the choice. i'm more up on okoye though.[/QUOTE]


You know I really don't care who the player of their choice is as long as he's able to come in and be a starting player on the D-Line with the ability to make an impact. Or D-Line is going to be in complete shambles in a couple years, and if we don't draf some young talent to play there now, we'll eventually be looking to fill those positions with FA's in the future, and we all know what that means. When you have the opportunity to draft a quality player, you take advantage because that same opportunity may not be there next year.

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DL, LTs, and QBs tend to be the guys that you have to draft, as true impact players there rarely switch teams... and yeah, our line is OLD.

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I'd say Okoye is the early favorite based on JLC's skins insider. Okoye sounds like a great guy w/huge upside. i think the fact that he's 19 makes him even more of a value.
I'd bet we'll pick him even if we stay at 6

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[quote=freddyg12;287898]I'd say Okoye is the early favorite based on JLC's skins insider. Okoye sounds like a great guy w/huge upside. i think the fact that he's 19 makes him even more of a value.
I'd bet we'll pick him even if we stay at 6[/quote]

i think the real value is heart and intelligence. that can make up for an awful lot.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;287898]I'd say Okoye is the early favorite based on JLC's skins insider. Okoye sounds like a great guy w/huge upside. i think the fact that he's 19 makes him even more of a value.
I'd bet we'll pick him even if we stay at 6[/QUOTE]



I understand he has great potential, and you're right he's very young and could be a factor in the league for a long time.

I just don't want to be on my way to the games this fall talking about how much depth we have with no pass-rush, being eaten alive by just about every average QB in the league because we can't mount a rush.

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In Mayocks evaluation of Adams on NFL Network then you would have seen that Adams lined up on both sides (at least against Florida State) so moving him over to LDE won't be a problem.